The Damage Thread - Best Buy Demo, Now Thats More Like It!

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Tenacious D
You know, you keep harping this point incessantly, but I can't think of anyone who has had to deal with nearly every car manufacturer on the planet, short of those in Russia and China.

Can you? ;)

And by the way, I've noticed three other people who have commented on Forza cars offering different levels of damage. Seems like you're the only one unaware of this.
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1. Fine then name one. Name even one manufacturer that absolutely refuses to see their cars damaged in a videogame. Because right now in 2009, I feel like I've see just about every car damaged in one game or another. So if you can even name one it's probably going to be some extremely obscure manufacturer.

2. I've told you like 15 times already. The damage is the same for all cars in Forza.
 
I am now more confused than ever after reading the last 10 pages or so of this thread in regards to damage in GT5. And here I thought forums were going to help me 💡

For the record, I have not experienced different levels of damage in Forza 2 in different cars.
 
Simple SIM
Well we have KY quoted as saying that ...

1. we should not expect damage modeling in all cars.

2. that list is accurate.

3. And that when it comes to damage modeling he's talking about race cars. He is also quoted as saying that only certain "sets" of cars will have damage but those sets aren't entirely written in stone yet. (...)
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Devedander
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That does bring into question why KY confirmed it was 100% accurate though...
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KZ/KY never confirmed that the list was accurate or 100% accurate, here is wait is said:

MultiPlayer:What about the game features that were published on the official japanese site, 1000 cars, 80
tracks and YouTube download?
KY: ”We would like to wait to publish them, but what you read on the site is true.”
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True =/= accurate - and remember the Japanese text is true, you can't say the various translations are true.
 
monoha
KZ/KY never confirmed that the list was accurate or 100% accurate, here is wait is said:

True =/= accurate - and remember the Japanese text is true, you can't say the various translations are true.
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I think that's a pretty minor distinction you're making. He flat out said that leaked list was true. He could have said something like "that list wasn't accurate and that's why we took it down" as many people suspected.

We will know for sure in two more days!
 
Simple SIM
I think that's a pretty minor distinction you're making. He flat out said that leaked list was true. He could have said something like "that list wasn't accurate and that's why we took it down" as many people suspected.
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I wouldn't say he confirmed the list as final; otherwise why take it down?

He did say that the site would provide accurate info; as such, maybe that list didn't meet those standards (it wasn't checked for truthiness?) and they brought it down.

I think you guys are reading too much into a list that spent all of 5 minutes on the website.
 
SUPER NUMBBER
I wouldn't say he confirmed the list as final; otherwise why take it down?

He did say that the site would provide accurate info; as such, maybe that list didn't meet those standards (it wasn't checked for truthiness?) and they brought it down.

I think you guys are reading too much into a list that spent all of 5 minutes on the website.
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The reason it was taken down was because it was meant for TGS, not Gamescom.
 
Simple SIM
The reason it was taken down was because it was meant for TGS, not Gamescom.
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Maybe when he confirmed it was 100% accurate, it was at the time, but he had it pulled because things might still change before TGS... that would be one way to solve the issue of "170 premium cars" but simultaneously "we are decidingon how many cars will have what features".
 
You can tell the truth, even though you dont talk about everything. The featurelist from the japanese site might be true, but it also might not be 100% complete.
 
aspect8
Show me where they said only 170 will show cosmetic damage.
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How about instead you just put your hands back over your ears and keep yelling "LALALA Can't hear you!" Seems to be working for you so far.
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So you admit you can produce no such quote?

I do hope all cars have mechanical damage. And more severe than we saw at Gamescom.
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You do realize it's common for a developer to lower the difficulty in a trade show demo, right? For a driving game, that would include making it impossible to completely destroy your vehicle.

Besides, didn't Sony/PD say at some point that it was possible to crash out of a race?

Simple SIM
You have no reason at all to believe that all cars will have mechanical damage.
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I have more reason to believe it than you have reason to believe otherwise. As I said, the last time it appeared in the series, it was applied to all cars.

So tell me, since thus far, PD is silent on the damageable status of the 830 standard cars, and there is precedent in the series for mechanical damage being applied to all cars, what leads you to conclude it won't be applied to all cars in GT5, if not "your desire to convince everyone GT5 will suck"?
 
No, that's not speculation. Kaz said the list was accurate, but they weren't ready to officially announce it yet.

Well, okay, if you want to pick nits, I suppose the part about wanting to announce that stuff at TGS is speculation, but it seems like a pretty reasonable guess to me.
 
serversurfer
No, that's not speculation. Kaz said the list was accurate, but they weren't ready to officially announce it yet.

Well, okay, if you want to pick nits, I suppose the part about wanting to announce that stuff at TGS is speculation, but it seems like a pretty reasonable guess to me.
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👎 Last I heard, a reasonable guess is still a guess.

Why do you ALL think it was leaked on accident?

You ALL are very nieve to believe a computer company puts something on their website on accident. It was no accident, nothing PD does is by accident.
 
Oh, stuff gets accidentally posted on the web all the time. They start working on pages months in advance, and then someone who's half-asleep accidentally enables it before it's time, and there it is for the world to see, until someone notices and takes it back down.

The thing is though, the list may well have been a work-in-progress, which would explain why it leaves so many questions unanswered despite being "accurate." It may be accurate, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's inclusive.
 
Simple SIM
The reason it was taken down was because it was meant for TGS, not Gamescom.
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Did he tell you it was meant for TGS? Why would he confirm something that's supposed to stay a secret???

That's stupid

It's like you writing down your SSN, leaving it in a public place, and when someone asks you if it's yours, you confirm it.
 
serversurfer
Oh, stuff gets accidentally posted on the web all the time. They start working on pages months in advance, and then someone who's half-asleep accidentally enables it before it's time, and there it is for the world to see, until someone notices and takes it back down.

The thing is though, the list may well have been a work-in-progress, which would explain why it leaves so many questions unanswered despite being "accurate." It may be accurate, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's inclusive.
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We will agree to disagree:tup:

I cant wrap my head around PD accidentally doing that, but thats not saying it didnt happen.

What do you think Devedander? accident or not?
 
Everybody has and does make mistakes. PD and Turn 10 are not exempt.

Apple.....hmmm....I love me some Apple products, mistakes or not!
 
serversurfer
Oh, stuff gets accidentally posted on the web all the time. They start working on pages months in advance, and then someone who's half-asleep accidentally enables it before it's time, and there it is for the world to see, until someone notices and takes it back down.

The thing is though, the list may well have been a work-in-progress, which would explain why it leaves so many questions unanswered despite being "accurate." It may be accurate, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's inclusive.
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The list being a work in progress makes a lot of sense to me. Imagine the scenery:

1-)Someone who's making the list puts it online by mistake. It's still in progress so it's not exactly accurate.
2-)People notice it and spread it quickly.
3-)Mayhem inside PD to take it down.
4-)Kazunori hears that their feature list planned for TGS was leaked. He doesn't know it was a work in progress.
5-)He is interviewed and asked about the list.
6-)He says it's accurate when it's not.
7-)We see the list with some really bad things and kazunori saying it's true.
8-)We panic and discuss endlessly about it when it's in fact wrong in some aspects since it is a work in progress.

All speculation, but makes sense to me :)
 
Re: 6-8

As I said, it may be "accurate," but the fact that it's incomplete means it may appear inaccurate/crazy/whathaveyou.

So for example, the list may be accurate in that 170 cars are considered "premium" because of their "interior design" and "support for damage," but it may be incomplete because it left out the fact the "standard" cars will also have cockpits, albeit not as nice/accurate, and their "support for damage" is lesser because it doesn't include doors flying off or whatever.

So the information we have may be 100% accurate (i.e. nothing on the list is wrong), but that doesn't mean we have 100% of the information.
 
Simple SIM
1. Fine then name one. Name even one manufacturer that absolutely refuses to see their cars damaged in a videogame. Because right now in 2009, I feel like I've see just about every car damaged in one game or another. So if you can even name one it's probably going to be some extremely obscure manufacturer.

2. I've told you like 15 times already. The damage is the same for all cars in Forza.
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You're going to have to PM Scaff about that.
 
That says they won't allow any damage? I'm not sure even Scaff could do that, because any carmaker that came out and said such a thing would take an unfavorable PR hit. But I would certainly take the word of people who have been involved in that very aspect of the biz over some guy typing his arbitrary opinions on a message board. ;)
 
Tenacious D
You're going to have to PM Scaff about that.
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Yeah, that's just Scaff's opinion, not fact, he says notably Ferrari have a different damage model to other manufacturers in FM..

Here's a couple of images I took that pretty much show this to be untrue.

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LOL at the bonnet though, it seems to have grown by a foot as the wing length has stayed the same!..
 
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Comparing that to something like Colin Mcrea Dirt 2, that damage model is a bit feeble. Can't complain though, GT's wasn't the best...
 

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