The Manor-Marussia Saga

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Okay, they may have a point if they're using the same supplier and that supplier is requesting payment up-front after being bitten by the experience with Marussia or Caterham - but that should not affect Force India's ability to pay on time and in full.
 
I find it ironic that they talked up their own financial issues last year to try and force a favourable resolution. Now suppliers are taking them at their word that they're in danger of going the same way as Caterham and Marussia and won't extend them credit.

I think they may have dug themselves into a hole there. I don't see how it's Caterham/Marussia's "fault" at all. I doubt Ferrari is having trouble getting terms from their suppliers. :D

Force India should re-hire DiResta. He was a world-class moaner, he'd fit right in at the moment. It's always someone else's fault. ;)
 
Speaking to Sky Sports News HQ, Williams' Deputy Team Principal Claire Williams said they would have voted for Marussia’s plan as they are keen to see F1 retain its full complement of cars.

“We’ve been very clear on our position around Marussia and their entry: we want a full competitive line-up on the grid next year and we will do anything to support Marussia coming back in,” she said.

“We made it very clear in the Strategy Group that we would vote for them to be able to use the 2014 chassis this season. Unfortunately it hasn’t happened, but Williams want a competitive line-up on the grid and we want to help the smaller teams.
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Tobias Grüner from AMuS has said that Marussia need to be at Melbourne to get their 2014 prize money - that missing three races is only fine for staying eligible to win 2015 money. No one else has brought up this possibility so hopefully it is not true, although given how secret the commercial agreements are, goodness knows.
 
Jeez, they really can't catch a break.
 
2014 engines? Practically guaranteed backmarkers already. I know they are in debt, but how can they pay when they are always steps behind?
 
It goes with their 2014 car, I guess. It just continues the trend of larger teams not wanting to actually help the small teams.
 
Kenocar
2014 engines? Practically guaranteed backmarkers already. I know they are in debt, but how can they pay when they are always steps behind?
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Part of the administration arrangement was to clear as many of those debts as possible.

And the team is under no illusions that they will be behind from the outset this year.
 
So getting a car as quickly as possible to claim the prize money is the way to go on about it then, but the question is, is Ferrari providing these engines without extra cost? They'll undoubtedly be the perennial backmarkers they always were provided with an engine behind the meta, but anything to lower their debt I guess. The question is, how will they be able to pay the upcoming cost of the rest of the season?
 
It's believed that the 2014 engines will be cheaper than the 2015.

Plus, it seems that the investors are willing to put their own money into the project, rather than try to run it solely off the WCC prize money.
 
GTPorsche
It goes with their 2014 car, I guess. It just continues the trend of larger teams not wanting to actually help the small teams.
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It wont exactly be the 2014 car since that was shot down.
 
It's also worth saying that no matter how far behind they finish this year, due to the way the prize money tiers work, they are guaranteed '10th place' prize money for 2 or 3 years, even when Haas come in and (probably) beat them - so they will have time to rebuild before performance hurts them financially.
 
In theory, all they have to do is get to Melbourne. They don't even have to qualify.
 
As one who is clueless on F1, if Manor did build a car, what does that car have to go through before it is approved for racing?
 
First- If that is Manor's logo, I really like it.

Second- Don't remember if it was Williams or Sauber, but I assume that to get the money Manor has to keep the Marussia part of the name like either of the former did a few years back?
 
Very cool.

BOT- Crash testing amounts to "driver can survive impact", right? If so, and I know I'm waaaay oversimplifying the situation but, couldn't they cut off the old nose section and have a new one fabricated from just in front of the suspension forward?
 
BKGlover
Second- Don't remember if it was Williams or Sauber, but I assume that to get the money Manor has to keep the Marussia part of the name like either of the former did a few years back?
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Not 100% sure but I don't think the team name matters for prize money, I think the only important thing is that it's the same entry - which it will be because that is held by Manor. I think the situation you are referring to was Sauber, when they bought back their team from BMW in 2010 but still called it BMW Sauber - I thought this was because BMW gave them some financial support for that year though.

BKGlover
BOT- Crash testing amounts to "driver can survive impact", right? If so, and I know I'm waaaay oversimplifying the situation but, couldn't they cut off the old nose section and have a new one fabricated from just in front of the suspension forward?
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Can't remember the technical details but I think I remember reading somewhere that the regulation changes this year mean they need to modify the monocoque in addition to the nose, so a quick bodging wouldn't do unfortunately.
 
As far as I know, crash testing means sustaining damage below an acceptable limit in an impact.
 
TRGTspecialist
Not 100% sure but I don't think the team name matters for prize money, I think the only important thing is that it's the same entry - which it will be because that is held by Manor. I think the situation you are referring to was Sauber, when they bought back their team from BMW in 2010 but still called it BMW Sauber - I thought this was because BMW gave them some financial support for that year though.



Can't remember the technical details but I think I remember reading somewhere that the regulation changes this year mean they need to modify the monocoque in addition to the nose, so a quick bodging wouldn't do unfortunately.
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Sauber didn't apply for the name change in time for it to be allowed.
 
They also have to have a car that is practical and legal under the regulations - once it is homologated, they can't change any elements of the safety cell, except on the grounds of safety. Even then, they have to prove that the safety benefits vastly outweigh any performance gain.

Having said that, it is believed that they still have most - if not all - of the data from the development of the MNR-1 chassis, even if their composite models were sold in the first auction. So they should be able to rebuild it.
 
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