The Thread About Ponies, Logistics and General Weirdness (And Gilda)TV 

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This whole setup where it's 'Twilight(geek) teaching Dash(tough person), and then them bonding over it', I've always loved that setup, even if it is rather cliched.
 
Curse my utter incompetence at drawing anything. Oh well.



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Okay. Here goes. My probably-going-to-piss-someone-off, honest opinion about this episode (and, by necessity, last episode, and to a lesser extent, Boast Busters).



First of all, let it be known that I love Rainbow Dash. For a good while when I first getting into the show, she was best Pony, and while she is now third that has nothing to do with not liking her so much as liking the other two (Applejack and Trixie) more. But I honestly don't think she is any different compared to Trixie when it comes to ego, and I would actually argue that Dash is worse than Trixie when she is at her worst (as she was in the past two episodes. And, hell, Boast Busters for that matter).

I think it is a fallacy, a silly silly fallacy, to try to use episodes of this show to teach morals about humility when one of the main characters acts like Rainbow Dash does nearly all of the time she is on screen. Hell, even when Rainbow is helping other ponies with their problems (for example, Call of the Cutie), she at least partially does it because she is so awesome that she takes it as her duty to help others and talk herself up in the process. "One day you'll be nearly as awesome as me" and all that. And yet this is the third time this same basic plot structure has been used where Rainbow has been involved directly (Boast Busters and the last two episodes) and the ultimate moral had to do with humility, and this is the third time that Rainbow Dash has ignored the message outright and gone back to her normal antics immediately.

And I'm almost fine with that. I believe that character flaws are something that should be embraced rather than attempted to be written out. That's why I like this show, because they do that with the character development. The characters grow somewhat, where you can tell they are stronger because of character development, but not so much that you can't still enjoy the episodes where it actually happened. Twilight is less naive and introverted. Pinkie Pie is more trusting. Fluttershy can be relied on more. Applejack is less stubborn. Rarity is less of a prima donna.
I would be fine with the idea that Rainbow Dash is so egocentric that she can't learn the lessons being given to her, even though I don't think they should write her that way. But they need to figure out what they want to do with Dash's character as the episodes go on besides "be closer friends with Applejack" (as great as that is :p), because this "teach Dash humility but then immediately forget that they taught Dash humility" stuff is wearing thin. Do they simply not know how to write Rainbow when she's not hiring people to write autobiographies and generally just impersonating Duke Nukem?







And that brings me to my main problem with the episode, the one that has been bothering me so much: This was The Episode that would correct my problems with the message given by Boast Busters.
Rainbow Dash, who acts like Trixie did the overwhelming majority of the time, was finally going to get her version of the message that was so mangled when they gave it to Trixie; and this time because it wouldn't be hypocritical like it was then, the message finally going to work. I didn't care that the path they could have taken towards teaching her her lesson could have been done much better than it was, particularly without straining the suspension of disbelief so much. I didn't care that Rainbow Dash was at times coming off as a caricature of herself (which was something that I didn't even think was possible). I didn't care that the episode was mostly strictly formula in the worst kind (read: boring) of way, even though making formulaic storylines entertaining to watch was a Season One specialty. I was even willing to overlook that 🤬 stupid Applejack joke that they made (Applejack Season Two character development = She names her hind legs). Because THIS WAS IT. The moment of truth.

And then, they just didn't even bother. They gave Dash a moral that she shrugged off even quicker than she did in Boast Busters, then she went back to acting the way she usually did before the episode was even over.


tl;dr:
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Only Dash Good, Trixie Bad.

http://board.sonicstadium.org/topic...ship-is-magic/page__view__findpost__p__401250






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When you're right, you're right. Dash is that character that needs to at least be embarrassed, if not hurt, to get a point. Last episode was a great example of that. She was pinned by a boulder and showed up in the last scene wearing a bandage, and she seemed sincere about her lesson.

I think they could have had Dash try to stop something "Mare-Do-Well" - her friends - couldn't get to in time. Have her humble herself - Rev. Awdry did this all the time with his anthropomorphic steam engines...when Percy plopped in the bay after bragging how he'd saved a train from a flood with his determination comes to mind. Then, we go to the reveal, apologies for sending her over the edge, (Yes, I think they needed to apologize,) and perhaps a more heartfelt letter.
 
@Toro, My initial reaction to what you wrote.
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But I realised that you're right. :( I want to argue that that's just how Dash is but I'd loose. You're right.

I saw a Cheerilee story on EqD, is it any good? I hope to give it read after I've done some stuff today. Story.

Drawfriends was bloody awesome.
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No.26 is one Coffee will enjoy.
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#27 :O

Someone else should post some of the others, I don't want to be posting all of Drawfriends here.
Whooves M.D. :lol:
 
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No.26 is one Coffee will enjoy.

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:D

It's not bad. I just had one of those great moments where I browse my DevWatch, find a cool piece of VinylTavia art, then find out it's Allegrezza inspired. Unwitting stealth fanart is best fanart! :D
 
Any good place to find pony vector art? I thought there was a link in this thread a few days back but I can't find it.
 
Just finished reading Building Bridges.

That. Was. Beautiful.

New 2nd favorite fic. Easily. And TwiDash is by a very wide margin my favorite ship.


The whole thing, from start to finish was very well written. Great details, very good dialogue, and the way things were revealed was just amazing. I cried tears of sadness and joy, laughed, squeed, and felt actual fear many times through the whole thing.

When they finally kissed in the hospital toward the end....
....I just felt a feeling of joy that I haven't since the ending of Macintosh.

And the ending was incredible. The whole thing was just really great.

Any good place to find pony vector art? I thought there was a link in this thread a few days back but I can't find it.

We've got a relatively limited selection here.

And here's an ED post with links to a bunch of vector artists.




Also, Toro, I'll read that review a little later, I've got a friend coming over right now and I don't want to be interupted half way through it.


Anyway,
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Christmas ponies will be the death of me.

Looks like I'm getting diabeetus for Christmas.
 
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Any good place to find pony vector art? I thought there was a link in this thread a few days back but I can't find it.

Here is the one we put together. Tree'd

Deviant Art vector group.
Here I have a feeling they have 1000+ vectors.

Fine I'll post it.
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Anyone still have 3D glasses?
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Thanks guys, my avatar should have more pony soon.
 
:lol:👍

Good choice.
 
Anyway,
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Christmas ponies will be the death of me.

Looks like I'm getting diabeetus for Christmas.

Wow, those are too adorable. Looks like Fluttershy can be even cuter.

And I have an off topic thought: Since this thread gets posted in so frequently, it might be unbumpable! I've never seen it get even close to the bottom of the first page. But you never know...
 
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Done!

Rarity as Stryker M1129 MC!

Can stay clean and tidy being far away from the battlefield, has a cool design, enough space to transport gear (dresses)

Before Twilight's arrival, the Ponyville citizens had gotten a bit... militant about getting the Winter Wrap-up done on time.

:D Nice one, unit (though now I'm really wanting an Applejack Y-Wing)


what's a good, short, and complete, TwiDash? I remember you recommended one a while ago, I think, but I just can't remember what it was called.

Your question reminded me of a short but nice friend-shippy TwiDash I had read back in August. I couldn't remember the title of it, so I just spent like two hours looking for it instead of doing some live-stream drawings a friend asked me for earlier in the day... I hope you're happy.

Snow and Solitude


I am in what essentially constitutes a shed atm. I'm already very, very cold. xD

I know exactly how you feel... Over here, it actually got below 86F (30C) yesterday night; I didn't even have to turn on the air conditioning!


Drawing Star Sky with both eyes opened...

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Thanks guys, my avatar should have more pony soon.

Dash can't get enough of that Focus. I love it by the way 👍

I know exactly how you feel... Over here, it actually got below 86F (30C) yesterday night; I didn't even have to turn on the air conditioning!

Below 30C? Ouch, I feel for you man :lol:

Some people still walk around in T-shirts when it's 30F here, and what was Coffee doing in a shed-like building anyway?





Also wet mane Pinkie has finally arrived in the real world:

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I'll take a look at Toro's review later as I'm kinda busy right now.
 
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I'm imagining this is followed by Twilight telekinetically throwing Spike through a wall. Tom-style.
 
Before Twilight's arrival, the Ponyville citizens had gotten a bit... militant about getting the Winter Wrap-up done on time.

:D Nice one, unit (though now I'm really wanting an Applejack Y-Wing)

Nice comment. Thanks xD




O_O

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Surprise!

Why red and green? Those are the colors of the lights located on an aircraft wings.
 
Needs MOAR Desu.

Oh noes! Well, that meme is kinda old. Lets see how many people will remember it =) You are the only one at this moment.


I got a note asking to draw CMC's tickling Spike... 0_o

What's up with CMC's tickling... what did I missed?
 
Okay, I pretty much agree with what Toro said in his review.

Surprise!

Why red and green? Those are the colors of the lights located on an aircraft wings.

Heterochromatic Pony? I am surprised.





And "That Twixie story that takes place in Manehattan" is not what I plan on reading. Instead I'll go with the latest part of EWZ (I think I might be the only person who still reads it.)
 
*backs away slooooooowly...*

Sorry, but that can be SO easily be taken out of context, and wasn't a mental image I wanted. X<
 
Oh noes! Well, that meme is kinda old. Lets see how many people will remember it =) You are the only one at this moment.


I got a note asking to draw CMC's tickling Spike... 0_o

What's up with CMC's tickling... what did I missed?

I don't have a clue what the whole tickling thing is about, I just thought it was a cute picture.

I agree with Jim, that was a weird thing to say.
 
EWZ is starting to give off those vibes that perhaps I shouldn't have started reading it.

Last chapter was pretty good, though.
 
I don't have a clue what the whole tickling thing is about, I just thought it was a cute picture.

I agree with Jim, that was a weird thing to say.

It's just an interesting coincidence. I got a note requesting a pic, and now I see a similar pic here.




And I'm glad I surprised you, Wiegert!
 
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