The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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You can put it the other way. Since PD tends to say it's a Logitech problem, they decided to make a high end wheel on their own and fully support it, put their own elegant code specifically for the hardware, etc... Problem solved.

Compatible means the manufacturer of the wheel has to do the work, not the other way (that's an official product in this case)..i knew it when i got my G25, i didn't expect any full support from PD (neither from other racers, they don't have the "luxuary" to provide an official hardware anyway..) but it was the best wheel at the time.
 
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petalpusher6
You can put it the other way. Since PD tends to say it's a Logitech problem, they decided to make a high end wheel on their own and fully support it, put their own elegant code specifically for the hardware, etc... Problem solved.

Compatible means the manufacturer of the wheel has to do the work, not the other way (that's an official product in this case)..i knew it when i got my G25, i didn't expect any full support from PD (neither from other racers) but it was the best wheel at the time.
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Again you are ignoring that the only problem we have even heard of brought up is the shifter problem which somehow magically went away without any intervention from Logitech... which pretty much means that argument it's logitechs fault is empty and at best is actually some deicision PD made that logitech wouldn't alter their product to fix.

And you are also ignoring obvious nerfs like button that just plain don't respond anymore and the fact that when assigned to a working button, the RA menu simply doesn't work.

All these arguments to defend PDs position require some very careful ignoring of facts that clearly poke holes in the logic behind them.

Try it, take your argument that logitech wouldn't fix the problem so PD went elsewhere, how does that explain: L3 and R3 buttons that worked in GT5P but now don't on G27 but still do on G25? How does it explain the fact that RA menu works on G25 when assigned to a normal button but doesn't on G27 at all?

When you realize that argument doesn't make any sense when you actually apply it to the actual problems, you will see why I call shenanigans on the explanation.

And no, for the record compatible means that all the functions are available. So what it means essentially is that logitech says "every button on this wheel and all it's inputs can be read and accessed as normal by the PS3."

At this point, if the game does not support these buttons, it's the game makers fault, not the perhipheral makers fault. Logitech has said the button mappings are up to the game maker and evidence (ie other games on PS3) back that up.

PD has said it's logitechs fault which makes no sense considering all evidence (other games on the same console and on PC don't have a problem with the G27) says otherwise.
 
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Spoke with a product manager at Frys. Asked about the T500RS making it onto the shelfs since they have run out of G27's and the few TM's left are the Ferrari and really generic wheel.

He said they are a little dissapointed by the "downplay" of the G27 wheel, as it was one of their best high-dollar peripheral sellers.

He says Thrustmaster wheels/controller/joystiks on the other hand have a poor reputation and selling history. He only needs to restock the flight sim shelf 2 times a year, and in fact their line has shrunk by 50% at least.

One of the local stores has had the very same WARTHOGHOTAS thingamajig stick on the shelf for months - they have sold 1 other one at this store. He thinks they will get one T500RS for display and one for stock and do not expect to sell but 1 or 2 a year at that price.

This is very telling, if one of the highest turnover eletronis retailers inthe world has doubts as to the volume salebility of this wheel.

I sure hope he is right , that means they will be heavily discounted by the time the shifter comes out LOL... as a $300 purchase for the wheel/pedals/shifter is would be worth it :)
 
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Spoke with a product manager at Frys. Asked about the T500RS making it onto the shelf sine they have run out of G27's and the few TM's left are the Ferrari and really generic wheel.

He said they are a little dissapointed by the "downplay" of the G27 wheel, as it was one of their best high-dollar peripheral sellers.

He says Thrustmaster wheels/controller/joystiks on the other hand have a poor reputation and selling hstory.

The Houston store has had the very same WARTHOGHOTAS thingamajig stik on the shelf for 4 months - they have sold 1 other one at this store. He thinks they will get one T500RS for display and one for stokand do nto expect to sell but 1 or 2 a year at that price.

This is very telling, if one of the highest turnover eletronis retailers inthe world has doubts as to the volume salebility of this wheel.

I sure hop he is right , that means they will ne heavily disoutned by the time the shofter comes out LOL... as a $300 purchase for the wheel/pedals/shifter is would be worth it :)
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To be fair I think he is going off his assumptions about TMs previous history (which was very bad at one point) and that may not hold true for this product... although it may considering how bitter a taste many of us PC gamers have left from old crap TM prducts.

That said I believe new shipments of the G27 are set to hit stores in late Jan/early Feb and stock has already started to show up in some online retaliers that showed no stock for quite a while (amazon had one today that actually shipped from Amazon itself for $329 and not some ridiculously high price).
 
Devedander
At this point, if the game does not support these buttons, it's the game makers fault, not the perhipheral makers fault. Logitech has said the button mappings are up to the game maker and evidence (ie other games on PS3) back that up.

PD has said it's logitechs fault which makes no sense considering all evidence (other games on the same console and on PC don't have a problem with the G27) says otherwise.
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No other game on PS3 has rotary dial, 2 positions lights, wipers..GT is a different beast to map. It's not a pc with some drivers..
 
petalpusher6
No other game on PS3 has rotary dial, 2 positions lights, wipers..GT is a different beast to map. It's not a pc with some drivers..
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I think you completely don't understand what is being talked about here... the RA menu is not limited to the rotary dial on the DFGT, it can be mapped to any controller button and brought up that way.

On the G25 this works just fine, map it to X or square or whatever, hit that button, RA menu comes up.

On the G27 it doens't work at all. Map it to X or square or whatever and when you push that button, nothing happens at all. Note that when you map these same buttons to other functions, they work just fine.

You can map the RA menu to any button on the controller, you can map it to L triggers, face buttons, I thinkyou can even map it to directions on the Dpad.

Now look at the L3 and R3 buttons (far left and far right red buttons on teh shfit assembly) they do not work at all on the G27, but the work fine on the G25 in GT5. BUT in GT5P they worked fine on the G27.

That's not a case of "can't map it" it's a case of "it was mapped before and we unmapped it so you can't use it now".

What we are talking about here would be kind of like finding out that while all the controller buttons worked in GT5P suddnely in GT5 the Triangle and Circle buttons have just been turned off. They now do NOTHING. And it's not a "driver" issue as these buttons have been proven to work elsewhere, they just don't work in GT5 (although L3 and R3 DID work in GT5P).

There is no way around it... the only people who can possibly argue this as a missunderstanding or incompatability simply do so without knowing and understanding the facts of the situations.


It's pretty clear from your posts that you don't really grasp the concept of what's happening, so it's good you are reading this becuase being educated on the subject is important.
 
petalpusher6
i meant, the use of a rotary dial. i don't think it has one, there's some intruiguing buttons on the base btw.
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No the G27 does not have a rotary dial... but the rotary dial consits of 3 things:

1 a Button
2 a left direction
3 a right direction

The entire rotary dial function can be mapped to any 3 controller buttons.

You are still missing the point. The functionality missing from the G27 works fine on the G25... the button layout is almost the same for both... there is no reason the RA menu should not be accessible on the G27 EXCEPT for if it's intentionally turned off.

petalpusher6
Well i have a G25, it works fine.

OMG Logitech nerfed their G27?

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💡 No PD nerfed the G27. The buttons that don't work in GT5 DID work in GT5P. That means PD turned them off. Logitech didn't turn them off, other games use them fine, the only people who could have nerfed it was PD.

And the RA menu, that is a clear nerf from PD because there is literally no reason it shouldn't work when mapped to a button.
 
petalpusher6
Yea, see how your whole conspiracy falls apart.

PD didn't nerf the G25.
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No, I read your post wrong, I edited it, now look how it's not a conspiracy and doens't fall apart at all. In fact if you look at it, there is no way it's anybody BUT PD.

GT5P L3 and R3 buttons work - GT5 L3 and R3 buttons DONT work. Who changed something? Logitech? Nope... has to be PD.

RA function doesn't come up when assigned to a regular button, but other things work just fine when assigned to the same button. Is this logitechs fault? No, the button works just fine. It's obviously PDs fault.

Who nerfed it? PD.

If you think logitech nerfed it, explain to me HOW logitech managed to change the G27 functionality between GT5P and GT5 to turn off two buttons and how logitech knows to make a certain button on their wheel not respond when the GAME changes it's setting to make that button RA menu... you can't. And do you credit logitech with somehow "fixing" paddle shifting and tach lights between GT5P and GT5? I don't think so...

And if you look back, I specifically mentioned that a likely reason the G25 didn't get a nerf is that it's no longer made so not really a competitor product. It's actually more proof that the G27 was nerfed becuase full support IS possible from a logitech wheel with LESS buttons than the G27... there is no reason (other than it was turned off on purpose) that it wouldn't work on the G27. I wouldn't be surprised if PD actually got the G27 working fully, then got the license with TM for a new wheel and turned off some features in G27 to ensure it didn't sink their new official wheel in a value based assesment.

Come on, you really can't see this? I am literally explaining it to you in terms an elementary school kid should be able to follow... or are you just trolling or something... I honestly can't believe anyone who can type a full post can't comprehend the logic that makes it impossible for logitech to be behind this nerf. Seriously I feel like I need t draw pictures or something...
 
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Yea, see how your whole conspiracy falls apart.

PD didn't nerf the G25.
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Why would they beef a product that's no longer manufactured.
Maybe GT5 still works with an Atari2600 control stick. Lol.


Edit beef ha, iPhone predictive text.
 
i was kidding about logitech nerf..but seriously on the rotary dial, it's not a rotary dial anymore if you have to press (a lot of) buttons. I remember what pain it was when i tried to map it on the DS3 in Prologue, that's just not usable since it's meant to be on the fly.
Same applies for the G25, i usually make a first run, set my things in the menu then restart, you can't use it as it was designed.
When i tried the DFGT, i was really jealous about that, you can adjust some tc or braking balance quickly, even for a special corner with training i guessed.
I think it's a little let down if the T500 doesn't have it or anyhing similar.
 
The G25/27 aren't officially licensed PS3 products, they are PC wheels. Yes, the buttons that worked on GT5P don't work in GT5, ok. Poliphony Digital could patch the game and have the wheels fully work on the game, do the have an obligation to do so? no.

The fact of the matter is that you bought a peripheral designed for use with personal computers which happens to work on the PS3, you should be looking at your G25/27 (Not sure which one you have) partially working with GT5 as a bonus, not the other way around.

It's a PC wheel.
 
It should have a rotary dial as an official wheel.
Imagine the thrustmaster owners and DFGT owners kicking off.

Edit, my G27 box says PS3 compatible, are Logitech telling porkies?
 
SHIRAKAWA Akira
As far as I know, force feedback settings can't be set up on the G25 and G27 either.
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They can as one general setting between 1and 10.
It's also a bonus for PD that there game allows me to atleast play with my wheel.

Oh well no horn, or RA function, or wipers.
The clutch and six speed shifter makes up for it. A function as of today is unavailable on the official wheels.
 
petalpusher6
i was kidding about logitech nerf..but seriously on the rotary dial, it's not a rotary dial anymore if you have to press (a lot of) buttons. I remember what pain it was when i tried to map it on the DS3 in Prologue, that's just not usable since it's meant to be on the fly.
Same applies for the G25, i usually make a first run, set my things in the menu then restart, you can't use it as it was designed.
When i tried the DFGT, i was really jealous about that, you can adjust some tc or braking balance quickly, even for a special corner with training i guessed.
I think it's a little let down if the T500 doesn't have it or anyhing similar.
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So I am confused, then are you saying you agree the G27 was nerfed or just saying you don't mind that it doesn't work since their is no rotary dial to access it even if it did work?

Coxis
The G25/27 aren't officially licensed PS3 products, they are PC wheels. Yes, the buttons that worked on GT5P don't work in GT5, ok. Poliphony Digital could patch the game and have the wheels fully work on the game, do the have an obligation to do so? no.

The fact of the matter is that you bought a peripheral designed for use with personal computers which happens to work on the PS3, you should be looking at your G25/27 (Not sure which one you have) partially working with GT5 as a bonus, not the other way around.

It's a PC wheel.
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It's not a matter of obligation (although I will again bring up the sheeple consumer mentallity) but rather a matter of why doesn't it work and was it done on purpose by PD... essentially did PD REMOVE functionality that WAS working from us on purpose to push us towards buying their new official wheel?

If so, obligation or no, that's bad form.
 
Spagetti69
They can as one general setting between 1and 10.
It's also a bonus for PD that there game allows me to atleast play with my wheel.
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People have been reporting of that setting making no difference in the G25/G27 FFB strength. Have you verified this?
I bet it will work properly (together with the "power steering" setting) with the T500RS.
 
SHIRAKAWA Akira
People have been reporting of that setting making no difference in the G25/G27 FFB strength. Have you verified this?
I bet it will work properly (together with the "power steering" setting) with the T500RS.
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Actually no. I've set mine to 3 and been done with it. I suffer a shoulder injury and thought it best to have it low.
Come to think about it the karts and FGT are considerably stronger.

On topic I'm sure the official wheels will be ok though.
 
Devedander
So I am confused, then are you saying you agree the G27 was nerfed or just saying you don't mind that it doesn't work since their is no rotary dial to access it even if it did work?
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I just tried to say..u don't miss a lot with the RA function disabled on your G27, it's not really praticable even if it works on mine (with some martian fingers).
 
Spagetti69
Actually no. I've set mine to 3 and been done with it. I suffer a shoulder injury and thought it best to have it low.
Come to think about it the karts and FGT are considerably stronger.

On topic I'm sure the official wheels will be ok though.
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I too have an injured shoulder, it has not awakened for months till gt5.

On topic:

I really cant wait for more info on those pedals. I also want more info on the shifter, I want to at least know about technology behind it. Now Imagine if it has force feedback, that will be really great!
 
I liked this thread , reading news and opinions about this new wheel and all... :)

Now its full of ..... :ouch:

Maybe you all should get back on the original topic!!! 💡






spy.
 
petalpusher6
I just tried to say..u don't miss a lot with the RA function disabled on your G27, it's not really praticable even if it works on mine (with some martian fingers).
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Well there is a big difference between "I don't mind not having it" and "it wasn't nerfed".

One is a personal preference issue and the other is a factual issue.
 
petalpusher6
I just tried to say..u don't miss a lot with the RA function disabled on your G27, it's not really praticable even if it works on mine (with some martian fingers).
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True enough to some degree, and we don't have to press triangle to reverse. All in all I like my wheel.

On topic Thrustmaster, who thought of that name. Order that with a buttkicker and a playseat and you'll have the authoritys on to you.
 

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