The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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The wheel has some button on the base unit itself.

Good idea, I wonder why no other wheel does that, it's a logical place to add more buttons, without cluttering up the wheel itself, and yet still within easy reach
 
The wheel has some button on the base unit itself.

Good idea, I wonder why no other wheel does that, it's a logical place to add more buttons, without cluttering up the wheel itself, and yet still within easy reach

Considering the shifter is sold separately, it was probably done out of necessity.
 
I think its possible that PD have rushed the fixes for the G27.

What some weren't aware is that the Logitech released the G27 without it working on GT5P. Foolish of them.

G25 had been specially implemented unofficially, even a N for Neutral within the game. PD went out of their way and added 100% function of a PC wheel full clutch H-gate shifter.

Logitech changes the shifter console which on the G25 relates to the paddles. G27 changes by Logitech meant the G25/DFP config partially worked with the G27.

Few months later the GT5 demo dropped. G27 paddles now work. Shifter lights work. Clutch and RA wasn't available for any wheel.

GT5 comes out. You don't even need to press triangle on the PC wheels anymore.
To shaft the G27, they could easily left it so you had to still press the triangle for the clutch. G25 Shifter manual mode and paddles can now be used at the same time, unlike before.

I can only find a response from PD saying they're going to continue to fully support the G25/G27. I see them fixing it if they're made aware like they was made aware about the G27 not working in GT5P.

Deve post on Logitech.

On the G25 the L3 and R3 buttons work fine and are programmable and the RA menu DOES work when assigned to a button.



PD has given G27 users the shaft... especially considering the G27 worked MORE in GT5P than it does in GT5.



PD has just announced their is a new oficial GT wheel coming from Thrustmaster for $500 (without a stick shift even) and my money is on PD nerfed the G27 intentionally as it's the biggest competitor to the new official wheel and they have a financial incentive to push people to the new Thrustmaster wheel rather than the cheaper and well liked G27.

Wouldn't surprise me if PD overlooked this and messed it up changing how the clutch, shifter console works and getting the G27 working back when the demo was released.

Of cousre it's possible PD have sabotaged the G27. I find it far fetched considering how GT5 and PD are. RA I always used the pad back in the Spec1-II prologue days, the shifter console was worse and the few who had a the G25 back then did so to. Was always a DFGT idea. I find it quite trivial that PD would seek to gain by knocking off the L3R3 on your changed console. I don't see people baulking at this problem or even knowing about. Oh yes those comparison chart buyer guide you mention haha.

I use Fanatec now and this nerfing is a concern if true (I'm not ruling it out) but my Xbox promoted niche wheel works great with GT5. PD could and probably should disregard if they like nerfing things. This is more for the price market a more serious competitor but thats just my opinion.
 
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Topic = The Thrustmaster T500 RS Thread - [NEW VIDEO! --> See T500 RS In Action!]

I believe it's time to get back on topic. 👍
 
EDIT - Written/Before above post....

Davelander OMG PLEASE get a grip.

I have a simple question and want to paint you a situation...

Imagine you are developing a game and have an agreement with a firm and one of their products.
That brand then has a new product they are unwilling to pay any royalties on, yet that same product will sell alongside the existing one and could also lose your company possible royalties from sales on the product you both had agreed on.

I beleive in that situation lies the "issue" with the G27 and it is a rather minor issue. Yes the G27 seems "targetted" if thats not too strong of a word to use but it will be for reasons.

I assume with the G25 already having been developed so my asumption is the "issue" is because of what was agreed within the DF-GT contract which could of included support for G25. However it may not of included future products like the G27.

It may just be a simple inabality for them to come to an agreement between both parties. You have to respect that and with DF-GT being a massively popular product easy to understand PD's side of things and losing out on potential revenue which had been agreed.

So if you have no real interest in the T500 RS can you move on.
Their is no need or are you warrented to discredit this product because of the Logitech situation with the G27 which really none of us will have the true answers for, nor do we see as a major issue you cant seem to let go of.
 
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So according to the offical release this product for the UK is only going to be available via Amazon and HMV? This kinda prevents any early discounting doesnt it then?

So far its not on the HMV website but I have a friend works for HMV and will check on their systems tomorrow. I texted him tonight and he says it could be limited to certain HMV stores only or online sales.

We may not see any big discounts for this then with the controlled distrubution?
 
Really interested in the shifter and what price it is. Also how this compares to the Fanatec clubsport shifter due soon.

Mr Latte, are you going to jump in and pay up or are you going to wait for prices to relax, or even a shifter bundle down the line?
 
I'm only up to the posts I have quoted so my apologies if someone else has said what I am about to say already

And fifth, lack of full G27 support has to do with Logitech, not PD. Truth is not always welcomed, but that is how it is.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24399741&postcount=3560

So a verbal conversation, from a member of neogaf forums is concrete evidence this is Logitech's doing? Whatever works for you, I guess.

That link if accurate only tells us that the reason PD may have gone to Thrustmaster is because Logitech refused to respond to their request to change a feature of their hardware but examining it a bit closer this may be a bit more worrying than it first appears.

The advantage in the shifting process that was mentioned seems to be referring to the ability to flat shift that PD have now crippled in game. So why is this a worry?

If it is true, if this is the reason that PD went to Thrustmaster, what we have here is a case of PD approaching Logitech and saying "you know that PC wheel you make, people are using it for GT5 and it gives them an unfair advantage, can you cripple it with a firmware update in a way that affects every new owner even if they don't intend on using it for a game you haven't marketed it towards." (before anyone responds to this read the rest of the post), To which it seems Logitech responded "get out of here". OK lot's of speculation so far but it should be easy to see how I arrived at that and if the link is true the conversation may have gone something like that.

The reason this is a worry if true is because that might mean that Thrustmaster may have been compliant and incorporated some kind of firmware feature that limits how you can change gears in a way that does not simulate reality. What we do know is that PD have coded the game in a way that does not allow shifting the same way you can in real life, in real life you can flat shift, you can change gears without a clutch (both of these are dependant on the car/box and not without consequence). Any type of restriction should never have been incorporated in the hardware and it would be bad to request that it should, any restriction to shifting should be implemented within the game code and it should be vehicle/mod dependant to simulate the car you are driving.

As for the idea of PD trying to cripple hardware to remove any advantage, if true it displays they are out of touch with the people who buy these things. We spend this amount of money for two reasons, a more realistic experience and to achieve an advantage by improving our lap times because of the more realistic experience. I can say that one of the questions I try to answer before spending this kind of money on a wheel is "will it make me faster?" and I know others ask the same.

I can only hope that post is not true or that Thrustmaster haven't incorporated any kind of restriction into their hardware because if they had the T500RS is pretty much crippled for any other real simulator.

They are officially supported PS3 products though. That means any game that doens't work right with them is the game makers fault.

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/wheels/devices/5184

Look, don't go making an argument froma point of ignorance especially if the information you ask for is on the official product page.

That link only shows what Logitech have advertised since the 27th December 2010, it only states that the G27 works with those games but does not say anything about the level of functionality and if you click the links Logitech provides it does not say that the G27 is compatible hardware. Lets have a look at what Logitech advertised earlier in December still after the release of GT5, here is the G27 page from Google Cache on the 15th December 2010

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ing/wheels/devices/5184+g27+site:logitech.com

Notice there is no mention of the PS3. Should we consider the fact that Logitech changed their site a few days after the announcement of the T500RS a coincidence?

We don't really know any more than what we did and at best we can only make some informed speculation which may or may not be based on false information. If all the information is correct it seems as though one of the reasons PD went with Thrustmaster was because Logitech would not comply with their unreasonable request, of course there may have been other reasons that were factored in and we have no idea how much significance any reason had in the decision. What we do know is that Logitech only started marketing the G27 as a PS3 wheel a few days ago and so the argument people have made that it is/was a PC wheel and that GT5 players should not expect any more support than what PD decide to offer is fair and the fact that Logitech have now decided to advertise it as a PS3 wheel after the fact doesn't change this. Even if the G27 is now officially considered a PS3 wheel by Logitech it is still not officially endorsed hardware by Sony for the PS3 (no mention of the G27 on the Playstation site) and as a third party peripheral the decision to support it remains with the developer.

I think it might be a bit to bold to say that PD have crippled the G27 to try and increase sales of the T500RS but it does seem as though in the very least they have decided not to give it full support for this reason and this seems like a natural business decision even though I don't like it and it will no doubt have some level of negative impact. If they have intentionally crippled the functionality of the G27 (it kind of seems that way if you can assign RA functions to buttons but they don't actually work) you would think Logitech could take legal action but then Logitech would need to consider the cost of that legal action considering that the entry level wheel is still a Logitech product and no doubt will continue to be a better seller than the almost boutique Thrustmaster offering.
 
Err dont expect the CSS anytime soon.
Its likely this products shifter will be out before the Fanatec one.

Ive not seen enough of this yet to be fully convinced. The size and noise of the retail product still concern me. Im sure more info will soon be available though.

For me its not a case of it possibly making me faster but the game being more engrossing and entertaining.
 
Edit, my G27 box says PS3 compatible, are Logitech telling porkies?

Technically no, the PS3 and the G27 use the same protocols so it is compatible in that sense but that does not guarantee that it will be fully functional with the games. I would say that Logitech are being deceptive, if you look at the compatibility chart in the logitech support pages it doesn't list any of the issues with GT5, if I was a potential customer looking at the Logitech pages I should believe the G27 is fully functional http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/8009/kw/ I guess they get away with it with this little disclaimer "Please contact your preferred game's developer for the most up to date information on wheel support."
 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24399741&postcount=3560

The neogaf link posted by amar212 above is worrying in regards to the new Thrustmaster wheel with its clutch function. Not sure I buy what's said though. First paragraph and first half of the second make sense.

After that, is kaz on about the DSG mod for the G25/G27 or about the clutch advantage in general over pad/DFP users? Could we see an update that makes this new wheel the only one to a have clutch function, which PD have worked with TM and altered so there is no advantage over pad/DFP users. Would be catastrophic if PD did that. Also anyone thinking of buying a high end wheel won't want a gimped clutch that somehow stops quicker shifts.

This is the problem with GT adding a clutch, trying to be more advanced and simulating real cars on console. An F40 wouldn't be right with a modern Ferrari California gearbox as stock. Do it properly and Clutch users have the advantage. Majority have to put up with a slow auto shift. Forza 3 had a clutch button for all controllers to solve this problem.

This post is about the new wheel and specualting on how PD want to implement it and avoid the advantage of the clutch. First time PD have supported a clutch wheel.

I don't see this happening and any move would make this new wheel some funny pseudo clutch and undermine the whole point.
 
What if the shifter is a combination of sequential and H-pattern like the G25 shifter but better?
 
I just noticed one thing about the clamp:

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Seems like its the same clamp design as the Ferrari 360 wheel that I had.
http://www.mazdaspeeders.com/index.php?topic=71084.0 (mine is similar, but its for the PlayStation)

After using it for a few years the plastic handle for the clamp broke, and I had to find a a way to tighten the wheel onto the table. Ended up having to use a clamp or a adjustable wrench to tighten it! Just hope the clamp are better made now than last time... :indiff:
 
I just noticed one thing about the clamp:



Seems like its the same clamp design as the Ferrari 360 wheel that I had.
http://www.mazdaspeeders.com/index.php?topic=71084.0 (mine is similar, but its for the PlayStation)

After using it for a few years the plastic handle for the clamp broke, and I had to find a a way to tighten the wheel onto the table. Ended up having to use a clamp or a adjustable wrench to tighten it! Just hope the clamp are better made now than last time... :indiff:

This is how every Trashmaster peripheral has ended that we have purchased over the years - broken and tossed in the trash.
 
Interesting news/info.

If PD have to protect something about the G27 giving players an advantage then that is understandable. It is clear however that both parties have had some issues and their was more to the G27 handicaping. However that does not mean it is down to PD wanting the T500 RS to have an unfair advantage neither.

On PDs part you can not have a single product licensced or not licensced that gives gamers a clear or unfair speed advantage which should not be their. Particulary when you have two now and not one licensced products. So to me this is also very much about sales and royalties as its obvious people would buy the G27 over other wheels mainly for that speed advantage.

So why should Logitech have increased sales of a non licensced wheel which potentially takes away revenue from royalties PD would get from their licensced products including Logitech's own DF-GT and the T500 RS. It seems PD are protecting their own interests if this story is accurate.


UK & HMV
As yet my friend says their is still no info on the internal system regards the T500 @ HMV.
 
No load cell brakes = fail.

I found nixim mod on the g27 works just as well as CSP load cell. Also CSP load cell is very cheap. CSP is adjustable yet I found nixim mod hardness is just right to simulate brakes.
Real cars don't have load cells. Load cell is one way to simulate real brakes. Nixim mod does the same on G25/27 brakes. The Perfect Pedal comes closer to real life since it uses fluid pressure yet it a little expensive. So there are more than one way to simulate something.

Where is it stated Thrustmaster isn't using a load cell? I like to know more about how they will simulate brakes. I like the idea of a "realistic" brake mod is removable since they are some of us doesn't want the brakes to be as hard as real life; like when racing without shoes.
 
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This is how every Trashmaster peripheral has ended that we have purchased over the years - broken and tossed in the trash.

Has their been the same reliability woes from their upmarket flight stick?
They even won some industry award for that didnt they?

Surely these more high end products dont have the same issues and are part of TM rebranding themselves?
 
Mr. Latte, you're still going off topic, the moderator already warned us once, I don't want this thread to be closed. Stick to news about TR500 and lets leave out the G27/Logitech/PD debacle.
 
holy chit! that youtube video of it being demonstrated is nuts! that thing actually looks dangerous in some parts, the wheel just spinning absurdly fast. Just imagine if you got your finger stuck in there. I really hope within the next few years they can manage to somehow remove that cheesy sound the wheels make when you turn the wheel. Just imagine if it was silent.
 
I think that the noise heard is mostly motor noise, and not gear/belt noise.
At normal rotation speeds it should be quiet.
I'd like to believe that, but I don't think it is the motor. I hope I'm wrong, otherwise there's going to be a lot of negative backlash for people who dropped $600 on this thing.

On that note, I can't wait till it's released... I want some hands on reviews from people in here :)
 
Well what else can you do? It seems to be the prevailing attitude here..."I can't afford it so it sucks." :dopey:

Not post at all. I own G27 n to all ppl who is complaining about it are bunch of idiots. I don't have any problems with mine at all. Now back to the topic I will wait n see the shifter for this racing wheel before I try to buy it. Since my G27 still goin strong. Hoping this wheel will comes out n Bestbuy so I can get a discount for this. Since my bro works in Best buy n he got me this G27 for $80.00.
 
Yes, anyone who doesn't want to spend $600 on a video game peripheral is obviously an idiot. Ahhh...such scholarly commentary.
 
Thrustmaster
Thrustmaster T500 RS The T500 RS has been designed as a REAL SIMULATOR: Thrustmaster has therefore focused all of its attention on the design and the choice of each component to best reproduce the sensation of high-level car racing.

In particular, the wheel has benefitted from the work of experts in the automotive field, and from Polyphony ...Digital’s racing experience.

The motor of the T500 RS is equipped with a power that is perfectly balanced with the wheel’s size (30cm / 12’’ steering wheel) and weight as well.

This motor also plays a role in regulating the wheel’s rotation speed, designed to replicate real high-level racing conditions with low latency.

Last but not least, this power is combined with a motorized stop which prevents users from turning the wheel beyond the defined limits, in order to accurately simulate the genuine angles of rotation of different types of cars in the near future – whether for F1 circuits (Suzuka style), rally competitions, endurance racing (Nürburgring style), drifting and more …
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Thrustmaster-T500-RS/177715455589531?v=wall

 
Amazon UK have changed their date to Jan 14th.

HMV in UK continue to have ZERO information on their systems or on their website as yet.

Whats the ordering situation in USA like?
 
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Not post at all. I own G27 n to all ppl who is complaining about it are bunch of idiots. I don't have any problems with mine at all. Now back to the topic I will wait n see the shifter for this racing wheel before I try to buy it. Since my G27 still goin strong. Hoping this wheel will comes out n Bestbuy so I can get a discount for this. Since my bro works in Best buy n he got me this G27 for $80.00.

Allow me to correct you here:

Not post at all. I own G27 and to all people who is complaining about it are bunch of idiots. I don't have any problems with mine at all. Now back to the topic I will wait and see the shifter for this racing wheel before I try to buy it. Since my G27 still going strong. Hoping this wheel will comes out in Bestbuy so I can get a discount for this. Since my bro works in Best buy and he got me this G27 for $80.00.


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Amazon UK have changed their date to Jan 14th.

HMV in UK continue to have ZERO information on their systems or on their website as yet.

Whats the ordering situation in USA like?
Delayed? No surprise, it's a GT5 licensed wheel after all. :p
 
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