Think u r good in GT4? Think again! 5min34sec ride of ur life!

Discussion in 'GT4 Photo Mode' started by shin8, Jan 8, 2005.

  1. Race Idiot

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    Damnit, now i'm just going to look and see what that licence is. I hope your being sarcastic and it's actually some really exciting race. Or it could be a lap around the Nurburgring in a Fiat 500r with a Daihatsu midget as a pacecar?
     
  2. Famine

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    I nearly fell asleep. It's SO dull.

    Nurburgring > La Sarthe...
     
  3. Majarvis

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    Yes, because as we all know, qualifying on pole gains you championship points, right? :rolleyes:
    Seeing as Senna was in a technically superior car compared to Schumachers Benetton, I think that constitutes as being shown up. I acknowledge that Senna had a few mishaps (and one huge one) in the first few races of 1994, but the record books don't care about the circumstances surrounding the results, just the end results themselves.
     
  4. F310B

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    I don't know about Senna's car being superior. This sounds half-baked but there really are arguments for the Williams' superiority and arguments for the Benetton's superiority. You shouldn't listen to the propaganda spread round by Ecclestone's buddies to protect Senna's death, that the Williams car was awful, etc etc. I don't think Senna himself would have approved of what they did. To get a picture of what really went on you had better ask the drivers at the time.

    Hearing what the other drivers at the time have to say about 1994, I think Senna's car (FW16) probably was the fastest in sheer speed terms, and then second best in that department was probably the Ferrari. The Benetton B194 was not a very fast car and it could not pull laps out of the bag. It was a 3rd/4th row kind of car. Aerodynamically and power-wise it was weaker. The Benetton had only a V8 engine (Ford), the Williams had a V10 (Renault).

    But the Benetton was very strong in the races. Ironically, this was largely due to the V8 engine. It complemented the shorter-wheelbase Benetton well. More significantly, it gave the Benetton much lower fuel-consumption than the Williams. This meant that the Benetton required much less fuel to run stints equal in length to those of the Williams.

    In terms of weaknesses, both the Williams and the Benetton handled in an 'edgy' manner, and were difficult to drive. The Williams was very difficult in the low speed corners and the Benetton was very difficult in the high speed corners. All the cars in 1994 were like this.

    So there are strengths and weaknesses for both cars. I don't think you can clearly assert that one car was superior to the other.

    In case we get opinionated Schumacher and Senna fans arguing about this, we should get really back to the topic!
     
  5. F310B

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    So, to get back onto the topic, I have a question.

    Is it true that in the S-16 final test, driver aids are switched on and cannot be deactivated?
     
  6. i-bert

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    Yeah its true.I managed a 5:59 but i was easing off for every corner just because i wanted to get all silver.
     
  7. Moadib

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    Only accountants see the world only through numbers.....

    The points you (contrived to) miss were that ;

    - It is by now VERY clear that the Benetton was a FAR better car than the 1994 Williams. This has been stated by Brawn, Byrne, Frank Williams, Senna, even Schumacher himself. Only Schumacher's fans are determined to disagree, for reasons I can understand. Frank Williams described the car as "a car that was born wrong", and the fact that Senna put on pole three times was nothing short of incredible.

    But I'm sure we know more than Frank about Senna's relative achievements in one of his cars, eh?

    - Despite this, Senna put it on pole three out of three, was on Schumacher's pace i nthe first race, punted out of the second, and led the third. How do you calculate that as "shown up"? Any driver would *love* to be "shown up" like that.

    - Record books, at least the ones I have *do* care about the circumstances surrounding results, as any fan must. If all you want to know is "xxx won", go and watch the world coin flipping championship.

    Actually I liked Hakkinen's excuse for thumping Senna at Aida - it was "he braked late, as did Michael, and I couldn't avoid him". So Senna and Schumacher braked late (putting them further ahead of anyone who didn't brake late....nice that Mika ignores that he braked EVEN later and crashed :)
     
  8. Moadib

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    If the B194 was a "third/fourth row" car, why was it on the front in every one of the first six races - three poles and three seconds?

    If the engine was down on power, why did it match Senna's Williams-Renault laptimes in pre-season testing on power tracks such as Imola? Cosworth Engineering had done a LOT of work to bring the Zetec-R in line, and the other drivers were moved to comment how stable the Benetton looked as a platform for that power, relative to the Williams.

    So if we look for the popular opinion of the other drivers, the comments I have on record show the very opposite picture, that the Benetton was better. This comes from Mansell, from Irvine, from Williams, from Benetton themselves.

    It matters little in terms of the outcome, but it is one of these myths which it's wrong to enhance.
     
  9. Moadib

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  10. Majarvis

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    Okay Moadib, let's drop this, it's clear you're as stubborn as a three year old who doesn't have their toy.
    If you wish to continue arguing about this, create a topic in the F1 section, but stop cluttering this thread up with F1-related material, and let this topic get back to what its original intention was.
     
  11. F310B

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    I really don't have the time to talk to crazed Senna fans. He was one of the great drivers, maybe the greatest. But in all honesty, some of his fans just take the piss.

    Hmm that kinda sucks that you can't switch driver aids off for the final test. Surely it takes away from the whole point of the test - to examine the skill of the driver.

    So what aids are on for the final test? TC and ASM? Or just TC?
     
  12. Moadib

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    Neither side moves position on a debate, yet ONE side of the debate is stubborn? May I presume you agree with the opinion which is not mine? :)

    Incidentally, in what aspect is a toyless three year-old stubborn? On what part of not having a toy are they unwilling to yield? If you're going to insult me, for god's sake at least don't embarrass yourself in doing so.
     
  13. Majarvis

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    The way you're acting clearly indicates you are stubborn (you certainly aren't prepared to let this go, now are you). My recommendation to you would be to let this go, and let this thread naturally get back to its original intent.
    If you wish to discuss this further, then take my advice, and create a new topic in the F1 section, but please, be respectful and stop cluttering this thread up with your biased views and irrelevenat subject matter (to this thread, that is).
     
  14. Moadib

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    Majarvis, it's a discussion, what's to "let go"?

    Someone posts "facts/opinions" I believe to be erroneous, and I post my interpretation to correct those. Someone believes my additions to be erroneous and in turn posts their facts/opinions to correct me.

    Sure there are disagreements (after all, what debate is based upon anything else?!), but thus far every party has been "stubborn" (if by stubborn you mean they have not collapsed what they believed and embraced the other's position), and the only one posting insults is you.

    I'll happily let this go, and the thread drop back to the original subject, but as long as you're lobbing insults at me you cannot imagine I'm not going to respond.
     
  15. Majarvis

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    Yes, I have certainly been lobbing insults towards you, ouch, if I were you I know I'd certainly be crying in a corner from the hurtful comments I've been directing towards you :rolleyes:
    This is the end of this discussion, this will be the third and final time I will say this to you. If you wish to discuss this matter further, then create a new topic in the F1 section, and I'm sure someone with more patience than myself would be more than happy to discuss this with you. However, just let it go for now, and stop cluttering up this thread more than it needs to be.
     
  16. Thread

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    Hello. Remember me? Yes, I'm the Thread.

    I'd be ever-so grateful if we could get me back on-topic and stop discussing this F1 fol-de-rol.

    Thank you,

    Thread.
     
  17. Moadib

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    Majarvis, grow up. If you want to claim the moral high ground, don't throw insults then brush it off. Go down to your local pub, pick your average drinker and call him a stubborn three year-old (phone the ambulance in advance).

    You want a discussion to stop? Then...stop...perpetuating...it.... Try to be moderate.

    Stamping your foot won't do it.
     
  18. KSpeed

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    the link in the first post is not working... does anyone know where I can view it? I'm currently on that test... having a hard time with it....:(
     
  19. wongb18c

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    how come it dont' work
     
  20. Daddybird

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    Tho I love GT4, I have to admit it´s not realistic at all.
    I´ve seen times like 6.50 with a BMW M3, for real that´s 8.20!
     
  21. petsmart

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    nice
     
  22. OWASephiroth

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    5.34 ist nothing Special.

    My Record is curently 5:22,853.
    I can upload the Replay if you want?
     
  23. cjrciadt

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    Hell yeah!!! :tup: :crazy:
     
  24. OWASephiroth

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    but you have to wait a few days and i just can upload it by "yousendit" so i have to take low quality.

    EDIT:
    I have already a Movie of my 5.25 run.
    im going to upload this first, couse i havent my 5:22 time on PC yet. (MPEG/170MB)
     
  25. Daddybird

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    Like this, even the Nur is short!
     
  26. Famine

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    With what tyres?

    With road tyres, you'd be correct. With race tyres you wouldn't be.
     
  27. OWASephiroth

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  28. sk8ordie

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    Did you do that time in license mode? Auto or manual? pad or steering wheel (which one)? thx

    bye the way, it's an amazing tiiiiiiiiiiiime!!!!!!!!!! :tup:
     
  29. OWASephiroth

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    Thx
    Yes, Licens Mode.
    I play with Manual and with Pad.
     
  30. SimRaceDriver

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    Damn! That was simply amazing!
    :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

    Can't believe you use a DS2! Can't image how much lower you'd be able to go using a DFP & being able to hold your lines a bit more!
    I can only pray....and practice....that I can get that low of a time!

    Inspirational video regardless!

    Thanks for sharing! :tup: