Thoughts on 'Gran turismo anywhere' next month?

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If God of War had the "Real Play" mode, where you had to play the first level four hundred times to get to the second level, would you accept the B-Spec to get you there?

What? So you justify B-Spec by blaming bad game design for necessitating it? Touche
 
What? So you justify B-Spec by blaming bad game design for necessitating it? Touche

Bad game design, yes, however B-Spec isn't justified by that. In fact, it doesn't need to be justified at all. It's an added feature to the game, it would only need to be justified if it hampered your experience, or took away from A-Spec, which it doesn't.

At all.
 
Bad game design, yes, however B-Spec isn't justified by that. In fact, it doesn't need to be justified at all. It's an added feature to the game, it would only need to be justified if it hampered your experience, or took away from A-Spec, which it doesn't.

At all.


It's an added feature to the game, it would only need to be justified if it hampered your experience, or took away from A-Spec, which it DOES.

Any extra effort involved in making B-Spec took time away from making more important things, like I don't know, features that entail actual driving. I know, I know, driving is no where near as fun as watching..........
 
Why not try picking a less powerfull car?



This is possibly the most absurd thing I've ever heard since hearing that theres a weather machine in alaska causing whales to die of dehydration.

I'm not kidding. I can't make that up.





Have you tried Daikatana, or Big Rigs Over the road racing?

I don't understand B-Spec haters. I really don't. Its like, heres a mode. Not only does this mode generate credits for you, while you can do other things (provided you just select a powerfull car) but it allows you to hire funnily named AI drivers, put them in competitive cars, and then watch them duke it out, which I, and probably some others (or they wouldn't put this feature in.) Enjoy actually doing.

You get free money on your smoke break, Sure its virtual free money, but you did nothing basically for it. It helps you buy virtual cars. Put virtual giant spoilers on them, whatever.

People play B-Spec. It will remain in this game. It will be upgraded like the rest of the game. Deal, Seriously.

1.05 brought A-Spec updates. Now 1.10 (probs) is coming, bringing B-Spec updates and every hater in the world is hitting up Kaz and PD.

Wrong, first of all, I don't hate b-spec, it's much deeper and the english language may or may not have a word for it. Second of all, yes it does hurt, but go ahead, take a glass of water while swallowing. EVERYONE knows it's pointless, (deep down so do you) if credits were the issue we would have reasonably timed races that supplied a decent payout. I've never heard of a game where there is potential for non-interaction until now. If there are non-interaction games, noone rushes to the store to hurry up and buy them.

Is it that far-fetched to think that this is a trap for the players that are addicted to highly expensive cars? consider: How do we create an atmosphere where one has to save 14,000,000 credits, at 117,000 at a time? that is 120 Indy grinds. Probably with oil changes and maintenence over 12 hours if one could sit there non-stop. Hmmmmm.....maybe if one weren't even sitting there.....Now take a look at endurance race times. Insanely long, only without potential to save and re-start later.

Sorry, not far fetched, the Idea is login time and market share. If I remember correctly Kaz works for Sony as well. There is a massive battle for online console market right now and it's hard to attract new business when you are sort of falling behind. I don't hate anyone for that either, I am with sony only because it is a free network. I will not pay for xbox services. I would just prefer that it would be enjoyable part of the game that gets updated, not the pointless part.

I do like to go and just make small coin on a fun race with a old car or maybe tweak a tune here or there, but Grinding and B-spec are not enjoyable and won't be participated in by the vast majority of players. That is not a theory.
 
It's an added feature to the game, it would only need to be justified if it hampered your experience, or took away from A-Spec, which it DOES.

Any extra effort involved in making B-Spec took time away from making more important things, like I don't know, features that entail actual driving. I know, I know, driving is no where near as fun as watching..........

What?

B-Spec is just a mirror of A-Spec, A-Spec races also are as hard as you want to make them. If you're not having fun driving in A-Spec, choose a slower car. Then again, you probably don't like driving anything that might lose.

See how easy it is to make assumptions about other people?

By the way, I've golded all A-Spec events(minus some endurances), and am working on my S.Vettel challenges for gold. Don't assume that somebody who likes B-Spec is somebody who doesn't like driving.
 
B-Spec is just a mirror of A-Spec, A-Spec races also are as hard as you want to make them. If you're not having fun driving in A-Spec, choose a slower car. Then again, you probably don't like driving anything that might lose.

See how easy it is to make assumptions about other people?

By the way, I've golded all A-Spec events(minus some endurances), and am working on my S.Vettel challenges for gold. Don't assume that somebody who likes B-Spec is somebody who doesn't like driving.

Mirror? A lot of work and time was involved implementing B-Spec, time that could have been spent adding extra cars, tracks etc.

I don't need to make assumptions. When one states they actually like and enjoy B-Spec, I know all I need to.
 
Mirror? A lot of work and time was involved implementing B-Spec, time that could have been spent adding extra cars, tracks etc.

I don't need to make assumptions. When one states they actually like and enjoy B-Spec, I know all I need to.

:lol:

Alright, then I'm done trying to reason. Have a good day :)
 
Agreed Shinza.

B-Spec allows me to life my life while the PS3 makes me credits, and with Gran Turismo Anywhere, I can do it while I'm out and about. Then I come home after work/fun, and hop right into the "What car do I want to buy that I didn't have to spend hours sitting at home earning cash to get?"

Since when did multitasking become a bad thing? :dunce:

If the game was designed well you wouldn't have to worry about any of that. You could just get home and play whenever you want with whatever car you want. Instead we need iphone apps and remote B-spec access etc. and all that cr#p just to be able to enjoy different cars in the game?

It's becoming a bit obsessive isn't it?
 
Wrong, first of all, I don't hate b-spec, it's much deeper and the english language may or may not have a word for it. Second of all, yes it does hurt, but go ahead, take a glass of water while swallowing. EVERYONE knows it's pointless, (deep down so do you) if credits were the issue we would have reasonably timed races that supplied a decent payout. I've never heard of a game where there is potential for non-interaction until now. If there are non-interaction games, noone rushes to the store to hurry up and buy them.

For the fifth time, I have no problem with, and ENJOY B-Spec. For the fifth time.

It does not hurt you. You dont have to play it. It is not useless, it has many uses. You don't have to use them

You dont have any reasonable grounds to complain, yet you choose to complain none the less.

Also, I have several management simulations where I need to do next to nothing to run. From simulated battles, to simulated sports teams, to simulated races.

I have one simulated racing game in which all I pretty much do is hire a driver, set up pit strategy, and sit for two and a half hours biting my nails.

Oh, and its graphical output is less advanced then formula 1's live timing.

And I enjoy it.


Is it that far-fetched to think that this is a trap for the players that are addicted to highly expensive cars? consider: How do we create an atmosphere where one has to save 14,000,000 credits, at 117,000 at a time? that is 120 Indy grinds. Probably with oil changes and maintenence over 12 hours if one could sit there non-stop. Hmmmmm.....maybe if one weren't even sitting there.....Now take a look at endurance race times. Insanely long, only without potential to save and re-start later.

Every car over 4 million credits is a prize car or a ticket car. PD obviously didn't want everyone to have expensive cars. The developer wanted you to do SOMETHING for your cars.

Endurance races I do in one sitting for every one of them under four hours. Over four hours, maybe two sittings or one with friends.

On B-Spec, I run them when I'm not home or sleeping. I'm not playing the game. I don't have to worry about power bills, being hows its included in my rent here, and I take care of my PS3's thermal needs, so it probably won't break.

Sorry, not far fetched, the Idea is login time and market share. If I remember correctly Kaz works for Sony as well.

It is far fetched. To get market share, you must first have a market. There isn't a whole lot of online car collection games on the platform, with the sole possible exception being Trofeo Pirelli. Which all of maybe five people including me, play.


There is a massive battle for online console market right now and it's hard to attract new business when you are sort of falling behind. I don't hate anyone for that either, I am with sony only because it is a free network. I will not pay for xbox services. I would just prefer that it would be enjoyable part of the game that gets updated, not the pointless part.

Sixth time. I find it an "enjoyable part of the game." So do others. Get used to it. Also A-Spec was updated, twice, last month. TWICE. LAST MONTH.



I do like to go and just make small coin on a fun race with a old car or maybe tweak a tune here or there, but Grinding and B-spec are not enjoyable and won't be participated in by the vast majority of players. That is not a theory.

I don't grind. I do what I want in the game. If I want an expensive car, I do alot of races to get the money, yes. But I don't do the same race over and over.

I might go do GVS 300km for the 100k-60 laps, then one of the FGT races for the challenge, dream car championship for the diversity.

It might take days for me to get a car. I recently took five days to work up 4.7 million credits for the R10 TDI.

Some people could probably do that in four hours or less.

I enjoyed every minute of it.
 
I didn't realize how selfish most GT5 fans were, just cause you don't enjoy Bspec you can't bear the thought of Bspec fans getting an update.

There have been multiple updates which improved GT5 experience, they even update Seasonal bonus race events, which can be considered an extension of Aspec.


But god forbid that they actually try to do something different from all the racing games out there, or any other game on the console, where they allow you to experience part of the game from a browser and that too remotely.. and its a free update to boot.

Shame on you Aspec, "driving only", purists.. anyways have a good day ;)
 
B-spec is not racing, it is not even coaching, and it is not fun. It is so e-z one does not even have to click a single command if a powerful enough car is chosen. People click a button and go to work while the stupid "bob" drives easily to victory for up to 24 hours? Does that not sound puzzling to everyone here?

I am one to start conspiracies: I think that the longer PD keeps people logged in, the better deal they get for network space? Perhaps there is something in it for them if they increase market share? If they have enough people logged in, for a long enough time, it will boost their value? Yep, that's it. Sorry Kaz, I figured it out, you know this is a meaningless part of the game and you boost the potential for increasing time logged in by promoting and increasing the support for a completely useless program. Not an original concept, but effective.

B-spec is the most pointless, meaningless game I have ever seen, for all time. I know everyone deep down agrees, but it hurts to swallow pride when you already bought in to the aimless concept of b-spec, so a boycott is not going to happen.

Here's my thoughts OP: I don't like b-spec and I am disappointed that it has not been removed entirely. There is no future in B-spec, GT is going to lose their fans slowly if this is the chosen path for them. This is a very disappointing news release.
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Give this man the gold key, make him President....something. Please. :)
That IS so true, not a rumour....;)
Every time I turn my console on, you get prompted, "sign in to the Sony Network ?" I click "NO".
The game start to load, "sign in to Sony network ?"......"NO"
The main title screen comes up...."sign in to Sony network ?"..................NO !

How come it can NOT understand......NO !
(phew...steps down off high horse......:guilty:)

Back on topic, it's not something I will use, but I guess there are some that will.....

I'll be waiting for the "next" instalment, 200+ NEW A-Spec races. :)
 
I've given B-spec a chance but cant get any enjoyment from it. Regarding the remote b-spec racing feature, as someone said before, this feature is an unenjoyable way to wear out your playstation

I personally believe the time used to implement this feature could have been used to add something fun.
 
:lol:

Alright, then I'm done trying to reason. Have a good day :)

Ummm he has a point... while the races are just mirrors of Aspec, the creation of the actual bspec mode (from the inputs to bobs variable and progressive AI to the layout and display options of the Bspec menu) certainly took time. And that time obviously COULD have been used towards something else had it not been used for Bspec creation.

As for the value of Bspec, I honestly don't understand the argument that it's great because it allows you to grind credits while you are busy living life... why not just make a "give me money" button and press that when you get home from work instead of burning through PS3 life and wasting electricity which is not particularly eco friendly.
 
I for one, will enjoy this feature. I love b-spec, i would wish only to have more controls over my drivers and i hope that PD expands B-spec even more. For me it's not about grinding money, or getting at level 40, i just like, when I am tired, to sit and and play B-spec. Off course it's not eco friendly to leave console on all the time, but lots of things aren't and we don't make a fuss about it. I wish that PD goes with B-spec as far as possible. I don't know if you all remember "F1 manager" on PC, but that was brilliant manager game, and it really show how more things can be put inside B-spec.
 
I do think this is arriving a little bit too late. I'm at B-Spec level 31, and by the time it's released no doubt I'll past level 35. The only thing I can see me using it for is to win the "Formula Gran Turismo World Championship" at level 23. I don't have enough time to sit down and do these races back to back atm, so I'll be able to run them from work one day soon.

It will be a nice feature, but it kind of shows up B-Spec for what it is. What I mean is that, it's like PD admits that most people don't watch their B-Spec races live, so they've given us this "app" so we can leave the PS3 running during the day whilst we go to work.

If they gave us a fast forward button that would probably do away with the need for this.
 
Its a cool idea but I don't really get this, there are still core parts of the game that could use tweaks, obvious tweaks that are visible to everyone.

Gear Ratios - This is broken, some cars have hopeless gear ratios that cannot be tuned.
Lap Time Lists: You could do a few sessions and have the same car in the top 5 spots, the only way to remove a time is to delete the whole list? Would be nice to be able to delete single cars from the laptime list, as you could in GT4
Painting - Being able to preview the paint on the actual car/wheel before you use it would be nice.
Custom races in practice mode - in GT4 you could setup races with similar level cars and set the difficulty level, its quite bland to have only same car races with slow AI. This would be easy to implement.
FFB Adjustment - Even Set to 1 it is too strong in some situations/cars.
Sound Adjustment - I sure would like to be able to turn down that transmission whine a little on some racing gearbox cars.
Garage Customisation - In GT2 you were able to move the cars around in your garage, creating a custom car list, for example i would keep my favourite cars at the top, and group certain car types together.

Bigger patch ideas - Drag racing at the Top Gear test track or SSR7, more premium cars, extra tracks, updated track builder for more customisation.


So don't get me wrong, while i think this remote thing is cool, it isn't really what the game needs, its a gimmic of an idea that should really be left until after the game has been polished.
 
not really interested in this now, I think this came a little late. So what events are we supposed to remotely control? will there be new b spec events? I really have only 1 event left in b spec so thanks PD, but too late!
 
I've gone as far as i could in ths threat ... but reading this just hurting my brain just too much. kaz NEVER said this would be the ONLY feature in patch 1.05

its just the only one we KNOW right now. there will be OTHER things too. so stiop whining about "they just wont do improtent things ;_;" they're working on it! Little by Little they working on a LONG list what PLAYERS want to see, while they little by little working on the LONG LIST of things THEY want to see. there will be more updates! just be patient and enjoy the features you get.

this feature is for guys with famalies like me. playing gt5 fpr 2h a day? would be great. in our living room there is ONE TV and we have to SHARE it (oh god. who would think families work this way o.O) so if i can play b-spen on my pc while my wife is looking a movie, my playtime doubles! thats just great for me and THOUSANDS of others!

and yes, i hope they will fix some other things to! and i'm shure they will. maybe even in 1.05.
 
I've gone as far as i could in ths threat ... but reading this just hurting my brain just too much. kaz NEVER said this would be the ONLY feature in patch 1.05

its just the only one we KNOW right now. there will be OTHER things too. so stiop whining about "they just wont do improtent things ;_;" they're working on it! Little by Little they working on a LONG list what PLAYERS want to see, while they little by little working on the LONG LIST of things THEY want to see. there will be more updates! just be patient and enjoy the features you get.

this feature is for guys with famalies like me. playing gt5 fpr 2h a day? would be great. in our living room there is ONE TV and we have to SHARE it (oh god. who would think families work this way o.O) so if i can play b-spen on my pc while my wife is looking a movie, my playtime doubles! thats just great for me and THOUSANDS of others!

and yes, i hope they will fix some other things to! and i'm shure they will. maybe even in 1.05.

My opinion of it is this.

In B-spec if you're at work or whatever, you're not actually playing or getting enjoyment from it, what you are doing is paying the electricity costs in return for a small ammount of progress in game. Up until about lvl30 it is a reasonable ammount of time = progress, but afterwards you need to spend hour after hour with the game just playing by itself while getting no real rewards, even endurance races that last a few hours make only a small dent into level progress.


I always think of my electricity bill when i'm thinking about b-spec, it got to the point where i just didn't think it was worth it, as the rewards given the time are very very small, hardly something that improves my A-Spec gameplay experience. I understand people like B-spec, and i thought it was cool. But understand that PD are developing a part of the game which involves you specifically "not" playing the game, but simply having your playstation turned on and logged in.


Edit : Lastly, have you ever thought about simply plugging your playstation into your pc monitor? Another way to double your playtime, but this time you're actually playing! B-spec remote is like putting a DVD into your player, pressing play and turning off the tv.
 
My opinion of it is this.

In B-spec if you're at work or whatever, you're not actually playing or getting enjoyment from it, what you are doing is paying the electricity costs in return for a small ammount of progress in game. Up until about lvl30 it is a reasonable ammount of time = progress, but afterwards you need to spend hour after hour with the game just playing by itself while getting no real rewards, even endurance races that last a few hours make only a small dent into level progress.


I always think of my electricity bill when i'm thinking about b-spec, it got to the point where i just didn't think it was worth it, as the rewards given the time are very very small, hardly something that improves my A-Spec gameplay experience. I understand people like B-spec, and i thought it was cool. But understand that PD are developing a part of the game which involves you specifically "not" playing the game, but simply having your playstation turned on and logged in.

For me its very simple: if i can do b-spec tis way, i'll be able to get cars an money to use my time for playing not grinding. that way i can drive the cars I WANT not the ones that WILL DO just to keep the costs low.

maybe its only for that way for me: but a-spec is moneyburning. i always need more money for the car i need than i get for winning the race.

and with the electricity bill ... my ps3 slim needs 80W ... i mean ... thats less then forget to turn of a light. please. if i would smoke i would burn more money then keep 10 ps3 on 24/7

its a hobby and its even under this condisions a cheap one.

but anyway ... my point was: "there will be other features to. not only gt anywhere."

EDIT: my tablet doesn't have "tv in" ;)
 
and with the electricity bill ... my ps3 slim needs 80W ...
FYI - It's more like 95w when running a game and a typical CFL (energy-efficient) bulb will consume around 15-20w (depending on brightness).

Consuming energy is fine if you are watching a B-Spec race and having fun, but if you are simply pressing 'click' on a remote server and leaving your PS3 on for 24 hours just to earn some XP then this is, frankly, an egregious waste of resources and money.
 
even if its 100W ... the headlights in my living room are about are about 6x30W ad my wife dind't forget it just once.
all i want to they with this: it just doesn't hurt a bit.
its like 15Cent per kwh
lets they ps3 needs 100W and we let it run all day 24/7 that woud be:
2,52€/Week
10€/Month.

Will get me poor ;)

and btw: i dont even spend 15C/kwh. i spend less...
 
Worldwide sales figures don't back up this assertion.

That means absolutely nothing. A majority of the sales of GT5 would be due to the popularity of previous GT games. Take for example MW2 the sales of this were incredible but this was mainly due to how good a game COD4 was. Due to the average gamer being disappointed with GT5 the knock on effect will probably mean GT6 doesn't sell as well.

I bet the likes of Turn 10 and director Dan Greenawalt is licking his lips thinking "right this is our best chance to steal the crown" and he would be right in thinking this. What you have to take into account is this forum isn't representative of the average GT5 player because you generally find more hardcore fans on forums such as these. Now the average GT player doesn't own a wheel and probably only plays around 1-2hrs a day. This is where the problem comes in because GT5 is suited towards a wheel owner who has plenty of spare hrs to play. In other words GT5 only appeals to the minority.

My main gripes are these.

1. Not enough events in A Spec.

2. Badly designed events in A Spec with very little imagination put into these.

3. B Spec is boring and this type of management gameplay is suited to PC gaming only.

4. No option to save between endurances or championships.

5. No stock leaderboards like GT5P.

6. No matchmaking servers like GT5P.

7. Physics favours wheelowners only with Vettel challenge being a good example because I would never of got gold if I didn't own a G25.

8 Removal of standard, Pro physics. This was an excellent idea on GT5P because it catered for wheel and pad owners.

9. Standard cars only available in the user dealership. Very frustrating if you see some using a particular car on the time trials and you don't own it. I spent ages finding the Evo 03 rally car.

10. Some of the special events are badly designed. Look at the Top Gear TT surely they could of put this to better use.

Overall the problem with PD is they spend too much time focussing on the wrong thing. For example they took 2yrs modelling Rome, Madrid and yet it appears they spent 2 mins developing A/B Spec.
 
I still don't see much use in b-spec other than generating money. It's not fun. I can't imagine using this functionality at all.
 
FYI - It's more like 95w when running a game and a typical CFL (energy-efficient) bulb will consume around 15-20w (depending on brightness).

Consuming energy is fine if you are watching a B-Spec race and having fun, but if you are simply pressing 'click' on a remote server and leaving your PS3 on for 24 hours just to earn some XP then this is, frankly, an egregious waste of resources and money.

Wait, the 200w/hour calculation wasn't using the slim?

94w/hr X 5(hours a day.) = 470w.
470w X 30(days) = 1.41kWh.
1.41kWh X 12(months) = 16.92kWh a year.

Current BC kWh rate: $0.0627 (Six point two seven cents.) per kWh.

17kWh X $0.0627 = $1.0659.(One dollar and six point five cents) A year.
That is also 1800 hours of PS3 time a year, FYI.

I mean, I've been in some hard times financially in my life, but if that's going to break your bank maybe you shouldn't be playing video games, you should be out there trying everything possible to earn more than your local panhandler. Even minimum wage earners will earn enough in ONE HOUR of work to run their PS3 like this for over EIGHT years.
 
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I would like to see more comprehensive "Pit Strategy" controls, both in A-spec and in B-spec, like the ability to adjust downforce, adjust suspension settings a little, brake bias, etc. - pretty much anything short of a transmission overhaul (and I've actually seen Audi do full trans replacements at LeMans, and still win!) or engine replacement. Oil change mid-race? Why not?
 
I would like to see more comprehensive "Pit Strategy" controls, both in A-spec and in B-spec, like the ability to adjust downforce, adjust suspension settings a little, brake bias, etc. - pretty much anything short of a transmission overhaul (and I've actually seen Audi do full trans replacements at LeMans, and still win!) or engine replacement. Oil change mid-race? Why not?

Oil change is a bit far fetched.

A cool feature would be the ability to double stint tires though. In both specs.


Edit: Also, nevermind a trans change. Chevy replaced a whole rear end assembly on a vette last year I believe. In under half an hour.
 
B-Spec:

For me the idea behind B-Spec was you are a 7 year old boy/girl fascinated by cars and your dad offers you GT5 (mainly so he can play it after you go to bed), but controlling a Corvette through a chicane is just too much at the moment for you.

To see the beauty of the cars and the races you as a boy/girl start bossing BOBs around the track.

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For the grinding in this online feature; I understood you need to have 1 PS3 on remote and for your friends and you: cars and drivers shared online.

So you are grinding for yourself and your friends.

You can have a 2CV or original Beatle races, if you set it up with your friends.
 
Oil change is a bit far fetched.

A cool feature would be the ability to double stint tires though. In both specs.


Edit: Also, nevermind a trans change. Chevy replaced a whole rear end assembly on a vette last year I believe. In under half an hour.

Check out the Audi at LeMans sometime - when they did the trans swap, they swapped the entire rear assembly - everything aft of the engine block: rear subframe, suspension, brakes (quick-release no-bleed connectors), bodywork, aerodynamics, gearbox, etc. - all in around 26 minutes, if memory serves. I was gobsmacked watching it live.

Oil change in a pit stop might be far-fetched, but on something like the 9h or 24h enduros, it could be worthwhile. An oil change really can be done pretty quickly in real life, and could be done fairly quickly in the pits - as quickly as changing out seats and harnesses for drivers, for instance. :)
 
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