USA vs. Rest of World

[johnestmaximus]

Who has better GT3 Drivers?

 

[Concept]

This is a great topic. I am undecided on this one. Its a really hard question. Its a stumper for me.

 

[LoudMusic]

USA is part of the World ... therefore voting World includes USA. (:

~LoudMusic

 

[risingson77]

Originally posted by LoudMusic
USA is part of the World ... therefore voting World includes USA. (:

~LoudMusic

Why don't you take your logic and go to bed!

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by risingson77




Why don't you take your logic and go to bed!

Hey, that's not a bad idea ...

Ga`night all you wild and crazy GTPlanetiers!

~LoudMusic

 

[risingson77]

I voted for world anyway...I see everyone else so far agrees. I mean we have NASCAR...not that it doesn't take skill, but compared to WRC or BTCC? Fuhgeddaboutit.

 

[NocturnalPS]

The world.

 

[HUDSONJONES]

ITS GOTTA BE THE WORLD, WITH USA A CLOSE 2ND

 

[Concept]

If I have to choose one it is the world. There are way more people in the rest of the world. I mean check out all the Japanese dudes!

 

[AndyConnolly]

Not meaning to take anything away from US drivers, but they do tend to only use oval tracks. All the top WRC and Touring Car drivers tend to be from Europe, and Northern Europe at that. So it's gotta be world

 

[Saleen Man]

Originally posted by risingson77
I voted for world anyway...I see everyone else so far agrees. I mean we have NASCAR...not that it doesn't take skill, but compared to WRC or BTCC? Fuhgeddaboutit.

Very true. I never thought bout those things....💡

 

[Concept]

Originally posted by AndyConnolly
Not meaning to take anything away from US drivers, but they do tend to only use oval tracks. All the top WRC and Touring Car drivers tend to be from Europe, and Northern Europe at that. So it's gotta be world

Yeah those are some pretty could facts Andy. Great points man. I would have to agree on you on saying the world.

 

[AndyConnolly]

Originally posted by ViperConcept



Yeah those are some pretty could facts Andy. Great points man. I would have to agree on you on saying the world.

Having said that, only Japanese nutters will take a modified Off Roader with two engines, producing nigh on 500bhp each, up a narrow trail up the side of a mountain... lol

 

[BMW///M3]

Man , a few of your guys have been starin at the moniter too long, its fryin you r brain.

IT SAYS GT3 DRIVERS! not RACER CAR DRIVERS! duh......

 

[risingson77]

Originally posted by BMW///M3
Man , a few of your guys have been starin at the moniter too long, its fryin you r brain.

IT SAYS GT3 DRIVERS! not RACER CAR DRIVERS! duh......

I knew all these video games killed brain cells....

 

[Canker]

The World!!

The rest of the world is a big place.....

 

[Talentless]

I think that the question actually shows LoudMusic's logic to be faulty. Listen to soft rock, my boy, loud is effecting You.

 

[BrianCNorton]

This is an interesting question tht can be answered in a number of ways.

The question had to do with GT3 drivers, and I would propose that statistically, if there were more copies sold in the USA, we'd have the best drivers. If the rest of the world has more copies sold (I assume this to be the case) then logically there would be better drivers outside of the USA. Proportional to population of the area, I would think that the USA would crush all comers. This is primarily because of the 2 billion people without electricity, much less playstation 2.

As for real drivers, this is a problem to determine. There really arent any racing circuits that we americans participate in equally with the world. Because people dont watch these kinds of races, people dont get into those kinds of races. We like to do our own thing, we always have. Racing that is popular in europe or japan is ignored. (not that any kind of racing is really huge here except nascar) Most people here think that formula 1 is a brand of gasoline.

 

[Talentless]

Look at the times posted in various sites and it will be seen that America is usually not first, and while the overall number of players is probably greater in the US. that could be made of 50, 60 75 % with skill like my name.

Yes there is always someone better but there is also always someone better than a lot of people.

America is not the best at the game, in my opinion, and I am starting to think it is more than just skill involved. I don't think other players are cheating, just that the US versions are missing something. You struggle to take that course a tenth faster, on the limit, even trying different lines, and someone in Europe is 5 seconds faster, this could even be the case for courses with few short cuts.

 

[Mr P]

Originally posted by BrianCNorton
This is an interesting question tht can be answered in a number of ways.

The question had to do with GT3 drivers, and I would propose that statistically, if there were more copies sold in the USA, we'd have the best drivers. If the rest of the world has more copies sold (I assume this to be the case) then logically there would be better drivers outside of the USA. Proportional to population of the area, I would think that the USA would crush all comers. This is primarily because of the 2 billion people without electricity, much less playstation 2.

As for real drivers, this is a problem to determine. There really arent any racing circuits that we americans participate in equally with the world. Because people dont watch these kinds of races, people dont get into those kinds of races. We like to do our own thing, we always have. Racing that is popular in europe or japan is ignored. (not that any kind of racing is really huge here except nascar) Most people here think that formula 1 is a brand of gasoline.

well put brian , i agree with you man except for the crushing all comers bit coz there are some great drivers in real life and game life in every country in the world as it stands ,germany seem to be churning out class in both of these categories , and thought i'd just add to the part about formula 1 , it will hopefully be more popular in the US now thanx to them being the centre piece of the most popular driving game on the planet , i would like to see in the future !, even as a one off event!! a grid with american indy cars and f1 cars racing each other ! now that would be cool !!
britain has/had some class , mansell , stewart , hill , coulthard , mcrae in rallying and in game mode of course gvx and myself !! lol

 

[SmokeAlot]

World for sure.. why? cuz I'm in Canada
hehe

 

[Magic069]

go USA!!!

 

[jervinator]

If RL driving is any clue, 90% of my fellow Americans are as inept with a PS2 as they are with real cars. Other countries treat ALL driving as a skill and/or privilege, not a gawd-given right, so they tend to take the time to learn how to drive.

Besides, like it or not, America is outnubered. With a bigger population to draw from, it is mathematically improbable that the best drivers GT3 or RL) will be American anyways.

 

[risingson77]

Originally posted by jervinator
If RL driving is any clue, 90% of my fellow Americans are as inept with a PS2 as they are with real cars. Other countries treat ALL driving as a skill and/or privilege, not a gawd-given right, so they tend to take the time to learn how to drive.

Besides, like it or not, America is outnubered. With a bigger population to draw from, it is mathematically improbable that the best drivers GT3 or RL) will be American anyways.

True enough: if America had better drivers, SUVs would be an oddity rather than a constant threat to your life, health and safety.

 

[BrianCNorton]

Originally posted by jervinator
If RL driving is any clue, 90% of my fellow Americans are as inept with a PS2 as they are with real cars. Other countries treat ALL driving as a skill and/or privilege, not a gawd-given right, so they tend to take the time to learn how to drive.

Besides, like it or not, America is outnubered. With a bigger population to draw from, it is mathematically improbable that the best drivers GT3 or RL) will be American anyways.

WHOA DUDE I think you need to travel a bit more.
I've been to a couple places in europe where it is sorta like what you describe, but that is FAR from the majority of the world. There are LOTS of countries that dont even license drivers. They assume that if you can afford a car that you'll learn how to drive it. I think Belgium does/did this. Go into South America. Driving isnt seen is seen as a priviledge to those that dont drive, and to those that do, it's combat. They need to get where they are going before the person in front of them. Dont get me started on the drivers in urban france.

Anybody from a country with really good/bad drivers? I'd like to hear about it. (I'm a geographer) What country and why?

Granted, my travels are all in the USA, Western Europe and South America, but I think that by and large, considering how many people are on our roads at any given time, we have pretty good drivers.

My comment about USA crushing all comers was misinterpreted. I meant that if you chose one random person from the united states, and one random person from the rest of the world, it wouldnt suprise me if 99 times out of a hundred, the USA came out on top. This is ONLY because there are so many people with no concept of what a car is, much less having two in their driveway, nothing else. It was meant to point out the vague nature of the original question.

Your last point is exactly what I had in mind. We are the third most populous country on earth, but we're still outnumbered 20 to 1, so I'd have to assume that that fact would statistically weaken our position in this context

 

[polyphony 001]

First things first; the real driving debate.
The rest of the world would utterly wipe the floor in any real driving competition. F1, F3, rally and all that - dominated by Europeans, with some very strong South Americans and Asian drivers, very few North American drivers.

Moving on to GT3.
No idea...larger 'world' population gives them more to chose from, so probably better selection?
Interesting idea about USA having a higher quality proportionally. Okay, That's cos however many billion dudes in less developed countries don't have electricity etc. But if you did some kind of test using just PS2 users and GT3 owners then I think that 'world' would have a higher average quality within that group.

 

[jervinator]

I've hit Australia, Asia, and a coule places in Africa myself. Yeah, I admit that the drivers in Kenya were kinda unskilled, and it's easy for the drivers in the UAE to keep it on the road at >130 MPH 'cuz some of the highways are at least 14 lanes each way (I wish I was kidding). Hong Kong was...just plain different.

But on the whole, I think that the major problems US drivers have are more attitude-based than actually deficiencies in skill. We're all in a hurry and we gotta get there first and fast. That leads to rudeness and (on some roads) accidents; you can't hurry on black ice.


As for the last two paragraphs, Brian, I stand corrected.

 

[BrianCNorton]

Originally posted by polyphony 001
First things first; the real driving debate.
The rest of the world would utterly wipe the floor in any real driving competition. F1, F3, rally and all that - dominated by Europeans, with some very strong South Americans and Asian drivers, very few North American drivers.

But how many european drivers could drive NASCAR? IRL? Grand-Am? Trans-AM? Autocross? Pro Stock? Top Fuel? Funny Car? Dirt Tracks? Monster Trucks? The List goes on

I would imagine that a lot of europeans could probabally pick up these sports if they wanted to, but they dont. The same thing goes both ways. There isnt a single american racing F1. This dosent have anything to do with Americans not being able to drive, but rather the lack of interest in the american viewing public. Were americans willing to watch F1, American manufacturers would want in on the action, and we would go regulate. I have a hard time seeing an italian or british mfg bring in an American driver.

As for rally racers, Americans do well, but they dont have the type of corporate support that the europeans and japanese do. SCCA Pro Rally is way better than WRC anyway.

 

[Juanmax]

No doubt here: Spain has the best GT3 players

Wanna play a i.link mode with me?

 

[polyphony 001]

Originally posted by BrianCNorton


I would imagine that a lot of europeans could probabally pick up these sports if they wanted to, but they dont. The same thing goes both ways. There isnt a single american racing F1. This dosent have anything to do with Americans not being able to drive, but rather the lack of interest in the american viewing public. Were americans willing to watch F1, American manufacturers would want in on the action, and we would go regulate. I have a hard time seeing an italian or british mfg bring in an American driver.

There have been some (Zinardi, Andretti?) but they sucked BIG TIME and were never seen again. F1 drivers who move to CART on the other hand....? Witness Nigel Mansell winning on his first / second? attempt.