Ver 2.10 is up today.

[IforceV8]

So far the new king of 450pp class is the Ruf 3400S.All I had to do was add 3kg and a 500pp car becomes a 450.It is currently my best 450pp car by 2.7 sec over the GSX-R and 2.8 sec over the 111R at Rome Rev.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

My YMS Supra '05 that I used to post times at Motegi TT during 2.09, have subtle changes in handling, more responsive and more progressive in losing grip at the rear, I can easily slide the car in tight turns, trail braking on entry and controlled slide on exit at Motegi, really nice change. The car also more stable at the front when heavy braking and I can feel the tires better than ever. This is with 651HP Supra, max aero,1100kg, 600PP on RH tire and no ABS or other aids

EDIT : correction of HP and weight

 

[sdkflu]

.... "new" game again with this update, and it's for free...

that's why GT5 is almost never done boring...

 

[sdkflu]

My YMS Supra '05 that I used to post times at Motegi TT during 2.09, have subtle changes in handling, more responsive and more progressive in losing grip at the rear, I can easily slide the car in tight turns, trail braking on entry and controlled slide on exit at Motegi, really nice change. The car also more stable at the front when heavy braking and I can feel the tires better than ever. This is with more than 650HP Supra, 1190kg, 600PP on RH tire and no ABS or other aids.

really? i don't test the new update at the moment, so if this happen, it's nice news... 👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

really? i don't test the new update at the moment, so if this happen, it's nice news... 👍

On 2.09, the YMS Supra is hard to drive fast, unstable at the rear and easily understeer, with 2.10, it feels better, I ran the car with the same tune as 2.09 at Motegi TT, then I upgraded the power, still handle quite good, I added more aero, running no ballast, I like it so far. This Supra is a monster now

 

[XDesperado67]

Been testing a number of cars recently for the GTP Hot Version-Touge Showdown thread for possible use in its 300HP class. Prior to this update most of the cars I'd tested were around 480PP with a rear wing set to 20. Now looking through my list of favorites most of them dropped 10-15PP.
However there are some odd exceptions such as my Lexus IS200 Which has dropped over 50PP.

Now for the event I'm tuning for PP doesn't matter as its strictly limited by HP and engine displacement, but for a PP limited event or room this would have serious consequences.
SLK 230 Kompressor '98 max aero 300HP, 300ft-lb torque, weighs 1156kg and has 468PP
120i '04 max aero 300HP, 236ft-lb torque, weighs 1164kg and has 467PP
MGF '97 max aero 300HP, 229ft-lb torque, weighs 953kg and has 487PP
IS200 '98 max aero 300HP, 236ft-lb torque, weighs 1142kg and has 413PP

The Lexus is at 99.1% power limiter and lacks only Stage 3 weight reduction to be fully maxed out all other upgrades are installed. Without the wing it's at 404PP so would be easy to make it a 400PP car with nearly 300HP.

No way in a system that is supposed to balance the performance of cars should the Lexus have that large a PP difference to the Mercedes and BMW. All 3 are FR, same HP similar torque and weight, similar power bands...

This is simply a huge fail by PD in my opinion if they were truely attempting to improve the PP balance.👎👎

Edit my Crossfire has also seen a huge change in its PP status.
Crossfire '04 max aero 300HP, 302ft-lb torque, weighs 1187kg and has 442PP.

 

[sdkflu]

On 2.09, the YMS Supra is hard to drive fast, unstable at the rear and easily understeer, with 2.10, it feels better, I ran the car with the same tune as 2.09 at Motegi TT, then I upgraded the power, still handle quite good, I added more aero, running no ballast, I like it so far. This Supra is a monster now

I'll will try tomorrow, because here in my country is 4 in the morning and go to sleep , but it is very pleasant to hear this, because the Supra is one of my favorite racing cars...

 

[Chiochan]

Will this affect the cars available in shuffle mode?

 

[Theo777]

Here are some of the biggest performance point offenders I found when looking through the Clueless garage.

FR Toybox ('88 Volvo 240 GLT) 350pp -> 302pp -48pp!!!
FR JGNX ('83 Skyline HT 2000) 460pp -> 406pp -54pp!!! 323hp -> 332hp +9 hp! and 7 ft-lbs torque!
FR Batmobile ('70 Superbird) -> 499pp -> 438pp -61pp!!!
FR '02 Jaguar S-Type R 550pp-> 493pp -57pp!!!

The MR car that shows up as an FR car on the garage menu...
MR '01 C8 Laviolette 590pp -> 564pp -26pp!

Also, the high powered Merc without aero was not effected
FR Betta ('10 SLS AMG) 626pp -> 626pp

This does make me very worried about the viability of the unchanged performance of front wheel drive tunes.

 

[danbojte]

I think, after the shock will be gone, we'll all be pleased. 👍

 

[TexasTyme214]

Will this affect the cars available in shuffle mode?

That is a really good question. I've found that most of the affected cars were front-engined and rear wheel drive. I never thought that those cars were that bad though. Having more cars become competitive is a big plus for me.

 

[XDesperado67]

I think, after the shock will be gone, we'll all be pleased. 👍

Nope because they have completely broken the PP on a bunch of cars.👎👎

Used a 400PP IS200 a couple hours ago to win the FR 500PP Seasonal race at high speed ring and probably could have gone down to 390-395PP without much problem. Before the update I don't think I could have won that race in any car at 400PP.

Wouldn't be upset except that most other cars haven't gotten the same sort of boost.

Pre update the SLK 230 Kompressor '98, 120i '04 and IS200 all built to 300HP and Stage 2 weight reduction with a wing set to 20 were at 480PP. Now the Mercedes has 468PP the BMW has 467PP and the Lexus has 413PP yet their relative performance hasn't been changed.
Several other cars have seen the same sort of drastic shifts in their PP making them far superior to the vast majority of other cars in their new PP. Just ask any of the 111R fans who were used to being heavy favorites and getting accused of using Newb cars in 500PP rooms that have been totally destroyed by Supras since the update.
If the update just changed which cars were tops at a given PP and better balanced the rest it would be fine, but the majority of cars saw no or little change while a relatively small number were turned into PP killers.

 

[danbojte]

Nope because they have completely broken the PP on a bunch of cars.👎👎

I know, but it seems they are more equalized and there will be no more those "superstars".

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I know, but it seems they are more equalized and there will be no more those "superstars".

I beg to differ.

 

[danbojte]

I beg to differ.

Oh, I've meant, there will be more "superstars".
And if the BHP is so scary, the race regulation settings can be limited by BHP, then.

 

[Onboy123]

Wait…so am I misunderstanding when I say that this update has increased the maximum achievable power for some of the cars?

 

[XDesperado67]

Wait…so am I misunderstanding when I say that this update has increased the maximum achievable power for some of the cars?

Don't know if it's changed the available power for some cars, but it has completely broken the PP formula on a number of them.

 

[trackripper123]

I beg to differ.

Wow. I remember so very clearly that being at 680~ HP at 587 PP before the update. That's just stupid.

 

[XDesperado67]

Wow. I remember so very clearly that being at 680~ HP at 587 PP before the update. That's just stupid.

Try RX-7s and Altezza/IS200 s with 280+HP at 400PP.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Wait…so am I misunderstanding when I say that this update has increased the maximum achievable power for some of the cars?

You would be correct in thinking that if you're talking about being within a certain PP limit.

On a short circuit like Rome restricted to 500PP, I was easily 6 seconds a lap quicker than anyone else in the room despite pratting around, rather than racing properly. I was using a Supra RZ, and at 500PP, it managed to make (IIRC) 622HP with around 79K torque, and weighed 1380KG. Other vehicles were the likes of Evora's, NSX's, 2010 Camaro's etc.

It was like a totally different class of car, felt like I was using a 600PP car rather than 500PP. Then I noticed you could tune the Carlton to over 700HP at 500PP, with more torque and a little less weight than the Supra. Absolute overkill.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Tested the C4 ZR1 Corvette '90, at 640HP, 1305kg, 500PP Engine stage 3 ( limiter used - originally 666HP ), no supercharger ( the torque increase bump up PP too much ) this will be a real contender in 500PP range comparable to the Supra RZ.

 

[Onboy123]

Guys, stop the presses. I think I've found the most ridiculous drop in PP as of yet, I've not had a chance to check if it's been posted, but here goes.

The Pontiac Solstice, all parts with a wing, pre-2.09, was at 547PP. Post-2.10?





488PP.


How big a drop in PP is that?! It was definitely an under-performer at 550PP, but I reckon it would be quite quick now at 450PP, no?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Guys, stop the presses. I think I've found the most ridiculous drop in PP as of yet, I've not had a chance to check if it's been posted, but here goes.

The Pontiac Solstice, all parts with a wing, pre-2.09, was at 547PP. Post-2.10?




488PP.


How big a drop in PP is that?! It was definitely an under-performer at 550PP, but I reckon it would be quite quick now at 450PP, no?

You should see CSLACR and my FITT Classic entry, Camaro Z28 RM'69. Mine used to have 596PP, now 535PP, more than 60PP dropPretty close to Solstice.

My Lexus ISF RM from FITT Race Car Tuner 625PP, now 580PP , 45PP drop.

 

[XDesperado67]

Guys, stop the presses. I think I've found the most ridiculous drop in PP as of yet, I've not had a chance to check if it's been posted, but here goes.

The Pontiac Solstice, all parts with a wing, pre-2.09, was at 547PP. Post-2.10?





488PP.


How big a drop in PP is that?! It was definitely an under-performer at 550PP, but I reckon it would be quite quick now at 450PP, no?

Check the ring thread for what I did with a rough tuned Crossfire at 450PP. I was only about 1.5 seconds off of mike_gt3s time with my Hommell.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

This is insane, R32 GTR V Spec II '94 with 405HP and 1500kg ( stock weight ) is at 500PP, how can this car ever compete with Supra or other popular 500PP cars ????

Acura NSX '91, 414HP, 1267kg, 500PP, how can the R32 win against this car ?

 

[krenkme]

Well I have been scaling back on my GT5 playing time as of late, and was going to take a little brake after the shootout. But after some shootout testing, and seeing how screwed up the pp system has become, my little brake might be longer then expected.

...oh well, at least PD gave us that plastic turd of a Corvette (that you can't tune ) in the update. That'll cheer me up

 

[kleefton]

This was an awful update. It was supposed to even out the cars but now it is more uneven than it has ever been. Theres no point with pp racing anymore. The speed discrepancy has gotten worse and some of the great handling cars now suffer from a massive lack of acceleration when compared to others at the same pp level. Garbage.

 

[Johnnypenso]

This update only serves to confirm what I've said from way back, that PD has a complete disconnect with not only the customer base, but the game in general. I see only two possibilities to explain what happens with this game.

1. They don't get their customers, don't listen to feedback, and don't solicit feedback in any meaningful way. You have a fanbase just in this group, that literally would test, measure and compare all 1000+ cars in the game if only we were asked to. I believe they also are disconnected from their own game. You can't tell me that anyone, not a single person higher up at PD, plays this game with any reasonable level of skill and tested the cars they changed PP levels for with this update. No way.

2. The only other explaination that fits all of this and that's bureaucracy. PD is run by bureaucracy, and the feedback isn't making it's way up the stream because the pee-ons are either afraid to or unwilling to stick their neck out and say, "hold up boss, this is broken". I've worked in large, disfunctional corporations before and observed this phenomenon from the top and the bottom and that's what it screams to me. The big decisions are made from a boardroom or office not the place at PD HQ where they keep the PS3's and copies of GT5:tdown:👎👎 Think of all the stupid decisions bloated government bureacracies make and it starts to make sense.

👎👎

 

[kleefton]

This update only serves to confirm what I've said from way back, that PD has a complete disconnect with not only the customer base, but the game in general. I see only two possibilities to explain what happens with this game.

1. They don't get their customers, don't listen to feedback, and don't solicit feedback in any meaningful way. You have a fanbase just in this group, that literally would test, measure and compare all 1000+ cars in the game if only we were asked to. I believe they also are disconnected from their own game. You can't tell me that anyone, not a single person higher up at PD, plays this game with any reasonable level of skill and tested the cars they changed PP levels for with this update. No way.

2. The only other explaination that fits all of this and that's bureaucracy. PD is run by bureaucracy, and the feedback isn't making it's way up the stream because the pee-ons are either afraid to or unwilling to stick their neck out and say, "hold up boss, this is broken". I've worked in large, disfunctional corporations before and observed this phenomenon from the top and the bottom and that's what it screams to me. The big decisions are made from a boardroom or office not the place at PD HQ where they keep the PS3's and copies of GT5:tdown:👎👎 Think of all the stupid decisions bloated government bureacracies make and it starts to make sense.

👎👎

Agreed

I would expect 2.11 in a few weeks time. The online pp racing right now is pointless

 

[praiano63]

This update only serves to confirm what I've said from way back, that PD has a complete disconnect with not only the customer base, but the game in general. I see only two possibilities to explain what happens with this game.

1. They don't get their customers, don't listen to feedback, and don't solicit feedback in any meaningful way. You have a fanbase just in this group, that literally would test, measure and compare all 1000+ cars in the game if only we were asked to. I believe they also are disconnected from their own game. You can't tell me that anyone, not a single person higher up at PD, plays this game with any reasonable level of skill and tested the cars they changed PP levels for with this update. No way.

2. The only other explaination that fits all of this and that's bureaucracy. PD is run by bureaucracy, and the feedback isn't making it's way up the stream because the pee-ons are either afraid to or unwilling to stick their neck out and say, "hold up boss, this is broken". I've worked in large, disfunctional corporations before and observed this phenomenon from the top and the bottom and that's what it screams to me. The big decisions are made from a boardroom or office not the place at PD HQ where they keep the PS3's and copies of GT5:tdown:👎👎 Think of all the stupid decisions bloated government bureacracies make and it starts to make sense.

👎👎

ONE MORE:tup:👍👍👍👍