artic, I gotta agree, this is Torque's club. we are members in it. no mutiny should be allowed. now, if another club were to be formed where we did from a dig, and such (which is a lot of fun), I'm sure Torque would have no problem with that. he just doesn't want drag racing being done in a Wangan club. also, Wangan isn't about who has the highest speed, or who can accelerate fastest like in straight line racing. Wangan is effectively being the best driver with the fastest car. real Wangan races involve corners and over 200mph on the highway. in other words, it's really about who can do a lap the quickest. it's not straight line racing, at all. sure it's involved, but it's a high speed road course, really. you have to be able to navigate the corners well, and have a high top speed. to say he doesn't know what "real wangan" is when you think it's straight line stuff is a bit hypocritical. not stabbing you in the back, or anything, just being honest, here. I know you're helping him organize things, but I think the fundamental idea of this club should be stuck to. that being said, I wouldn't mind another club continuing what we've been doing the past few nights. it's been really fun. this just isn't the place for it. kinda like trying to order a quesadilla in a hibachi resturant.