What do you think about drift ?

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Everything RER said about honesty. Winning is worthless if you lied. So no worries there. Just PM me (and RER) the challenge of your choice. I can tell you that whatever you pick RER will most likely beat me, and probably you, too. I usually don't win, but haven't competed online is a long time. Since then I know I've gotten better. So now We'll see how much better.
 
Like I said mile,... I wouldnt mind if you took this one on yourself,... I'll be here for back-up incase he tries to pull a fast one (no pun intended :lol: ) 👍
 
You are all speaking of the game I hope. Drifting CAN be faster than grip. Keiichi Tsuchia has beatin 400hp Evos in a 205hp AE86. Drifting is also not easy. I have been drifting my AE86 and 240SX for three years in USA and since '96 with my Levin and 180SX before I moved from Pei District, Japan. Have any of you raced in the Corolla Cup in Japan...NO. My Brother has been racing his AE86 in the Corolla Freshmen Cup his whole life and has won many times and he will tell you that there is NO true path to take that will lead you to victory in that series, no matter how consistant you are. In the Freshman Cup all cars must have the same hp and weight and if you were to all follow the same braking points, apex lines, and so forth, you would end up in the same place you started. You MUST make your own braking points, apex lines, and what not. Some people drift and some people grip. Gripping in the Freshman Cup will lead to a last place finish. Take the Altezza Cup. If you were to all have the same hp/weight/setup and followed the same line you would end up in the place you qualified. If you where to take your own lines/brake points you could have a chance. When people raced the Cup Series in Japan and...all over the world, they tried to find a way to get around a corner the fastest. When they gripped they found out that they had brake points to slow them down. A racer must first learn how to grip race before they are able to pull off a perfect drift. The perfect drift would be entering a corner with too much speed and Magatsu (line swaying) to make the corner perfectly without worrying about the brake points. In the end drifting would be entering the corner faster then the other racers and exiting without worry of brake points(seeing that the other racers are using grip style, they would be at the beginning of the turn using brake points). There is a diffrence in drifting. To show off you would be drifting way more then needed but race drifting is just enough drifting to make the corner without brake points and at the same time clipping the apex for a smooth finish. I hope this helps the people that have no knowledge in this sport. Have fun and be safe.
 
Yhea, I can see where whoever said that most drifters arent good racers and that the just went to drifting cause they could race. But I wouldnt say MOST, but maybe some. I can race. Im the best in my area, not saying im the best in the world, but I KNOW that im not anywhere near the worst. Im a MUCH better gripper than i am at Drifting. I would consider myself a Gripper as opposed to a drifter. Dont let the name fool you. I joined this site for the drifting forum, but Im starting to wander into the other forums now. So the speed part of my name has a meaning :D :D :D :D
 
:trouble: :trouble: HEY NOW.....I WANT IN ON THIS COMPETITION TOO!!!!!! I WILL PROVE IM THE BEST IN THE WORLD!!!!! :p :p :p :p yhea right....but honestly, i want in on this too. i would like to see here i stand in the whole scheme of things. Know what i mean?:D :D
 
please post them up at the post titled 240 drift versus milefile and rer and you can view the rules and you have a companinon who also agrees with you so please post the info on this race there
 
Originally posted by KoukiFreak
You are all speaking of the game I hope. Drifting CAN be faster than grip. Keiichi Tsuchia has beatin 400hp Evos in a 205hp AE86. Drifting is also not easy. I have been drifting my AE86 and 240SX for three years in USA and since '96 with my Levin and 180SX before I moved from Pei District, Japan. Have any of you raced in the Corolla Cup in Japan...NO. My Brother has been racing his AE86 in the Corolla Freshmen Cup his whole life and has won many times and he will tell you that there is NO true path to take that will lead you to victory in that series, no matter how consistant you are. In the Freshman Cup all cars must have the same hp and weight and if you were to all follow the same braking points, apex lines, and so forth, you would end up in the same place you started. You MUST make your own braking points, apex lines, and what not. Some people drift and some people grip. Gripping in the Freshman Cup will lead to a last place finish. Take the Altezza Cup. If you were to all have the same hp/weight/setup and followed the same line you would end up in the place you qualified. If you where to take your own lines/brake points you could have a chance. When people raced the Cup Series in Japan and...all over the world, they tried to find a way to get around a corner the fastest. When they gripped they found out that they had brake points to slow them down. A racer must first learn how to grip race before they are able to pull off a perfect drift. The perfect drift would be entering a corner with too much speed and Magatsu (line swaying) to make the corner perfectly without worrying about the brake points. In the end drifting would be entering the corner faster then the other racers and exiting without worry of brake points(seeing that the other racers are using grip style, they would be at the beginning of the turn using brake points). There is a diffrence in drifting. To show off you would be drifting way more then needed but race drifting is just enough drifting to make the corner without brake points and at the same time clipping the apex for a smooth finish. I hope this helps the people that have no knowledge in this sport. Have fun and be safe.
I think what you described here is not what people mean by drifing here. What you describe is just pushing the car to it's utmost limit, which is good. If your not on the verge of loosing it you should be taking the corner faster. I've also seen a quote: "If your in control you're not going fast enough."
 
In an all out shoot out for fastest time yes, but that sort of on the edge driving is reserved for when absolutely nessecary such as the last 5 laps when your trying for first. If you race like that the whole race, especially in a dirt track series where you do not get to pit at all, you'll find your self with a worse handeling ar each lap due to overheating tires. Smooth is fast, Smooth is fast, Smooth is fast.

Friction is the enemy.
 
Man me and Milefile are agreeing.

Yes Drift is the ultimate friction, the 4 wheels on the car go straight, not sideways, it works best that way.
 
A lot of people are giving their opinions on drifting, nothing I've seen is fact... Here's the fact. This post will be a long one, and I hope that you're talking about GT3 drifting instead of real life drifting.

good for show bad for racing

Yes and No. Drifting is great for shows, it drives people crazy. Bad for racing? That's the only way my dad and I race.

But since you asked, I'll say that I think drifting is for people who can't race.

God no... it might be different in the U.S., but here in Japan, drifting is everything. The world's best JGTC racers in their free time will go out to Tsukuba, Sugo, Fuji and just give it all they got drifting with their cars.

Not in my opinion. Racing already requires all of the skills used in drifting, plus a lot more. Drift is just demonstration of car control; nothing more, nothing less. But good car control is just the price of admission for a race driver. There's way more beyond that.

I don't know if anyone here actually uses drift, but the real place that drift gets the full effect is on the touge. I'm not sure if anyone races on the passes in the U.S., but if you do, try drifting. Drift is used mainly for show, but some people will use it to race.

Drift : Nothing more then excessive tire wear and slower ET's.

Excessive tire wear... yes indeed... Slower ETs? No... enough said about that.

thats totally true. if you can't handle a car the way it was meant to be driven, you have no right trying to learn drift..(the way cars WEREN'T meant to be driven )

True, when I got my AE86, I didn't go STRAIGHT to drifting. I had a lot of track time just learning to basic's of entry speed, apexes, stuff like that. After I got the "normal" driving down, I started on letting the tyres slip and it's been great ever since.

I look at Drifting as nothing more then dumb fun. Dumb fun being stuff like Burnouts, Donoughts, J-Turns, Et cetera.

If that's a U.S. prespective... I feel bad for you guys...

drift+racing=gymkhana...

Good way of putting it...

I disagree. Drifting is a specialization (sp?) of a certain skill of grip. It takes more skill to go faster. I think anyways. But drifting is tough. Not a whole lot of people are very very good at it. And few have mastered it.

True, many people here are pretty good at it due to proper training. My dad has been drifting for a long time (wayyy before it was popular). He taught me the basics and I taught myself the rest. I'm 23 now, I've had my AE86 since 1995, but I've been around my dad's AE86 since they first came out in the U.S. (I used to live there). I would say my dad has mastered it, but he says that I still have a lot to learn...

Is it faster? No.

Is it more reliable? No.

Does it take alot of talent? No.

Does it make you a better driver? No.

Is there any practical purpose? No.

Is it fun? To them, most definitely.

It is faster if you're good at it. It's not as reliable if you're not good at it. It takes a lot of talent if you're fast while using it. It does make you a better driver if you master both grip and drift. There's practical purpose if you use it efficiently. And it's damn fun.

Is it over-rated? Yes.

I just feel sorry for the guys whole drule all over the concept. If you wanna do some real drifting, move to location with either a lot of snow or a lot of desert.


Dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to slam the drifters,... some of you just need to know when to quit with all the "it's-so-hard-and-takes-so-much-skill" BS

Another U.S. prespective, you guys have no idea how big drifting is here in Japan.

I don't mean to offend anybody, but I think I can offer the most factual opinion on drifting.

-Tom
 
I hate to say it but no matter how hard you push to the edge, it won't win you any race of length. Smooth is fast, Precise is acurate.

Heres a story for you.

Everytime I go to the track, I see some new hot rod thats comming from a smaller trck thats the **** down there. He comes up and hangs his rear end out, saying 'Im on the edge its faster'. One of 2 things happen.

1.) He actually is just a tid loose but is fast and keeps his RPMS up, he'll wear his tires out in half the race, I just bite my time and make a nice clean pass for the lead. No damage, no broken parts, fresh tires.

2.) He doesn't have a clue and I blow by him like he is sitting still, When I go into a near 180 degree turn with my foot flat on the gas and I don't drop even 200 rpms from the friction, that IS fast, and if you ask me that is on the edge, because if you so much as studder, the rear wheels will lock or spin and you'll be a corpse on a concrete wall.

Drift IS NOT fast, 4 Wheel drifting isn't fast, to much sideways motion.
 
You are all speaking of the game I hope. Drifting CAN be faster than grip. Keiichi Tsuchia has beatin 400hp Evos in a 205hp AE86. Drifting is also not easy. I have been drifting my AE86 and 240SX for three years in USA and since '96 with my Levin and 180SX before I moved from Pei District, Japan. Have any of you raced in the Corolla Cup in Japan...NO. My Brother has been racing his AE86 in the Corolla Freshmen Cup his whole life and has won many times and he will tell you that there is NO true path to take that will lead you to victory in that series, no matter how consistant you are. In the Freshman Cup all cars must have the same hp and weight and if you were to all follow the same braking points, apex lines, and so forth, you would end up in the same place you started. You MUST make your own braking points, apex lines, and what not. Some people drift and some people grip. Gripping in the Freshman Cup will lead to a last place finish. Take the Altezza Cup. If you were to all have the same hp/weight/setup and followed the same line you would end up in the place you qualified. If you where to take your own lines/brake points you could have a chance. When people raced the Cup Series in Japan and...all over the world, they tried to find a way to get around a corner the fastest. When they gripped they found out that they had brake points to slow them down. A racer must first learn how to grip race before they are able to pull off a perfect drift. The perfect drift would be entering a corner with too much speed and Magatsu (line swaying) to make the corner perfectly without worrying about the brake points. In the end drifting would be entering the corner faster then the other racers and exiting without worry of brake points(seeing that the other racers are using grip style, they would be at the beginning of the turn using brake points). There is a diffrence in drifting. To show off you would be drifting way more then needed but race drifting is just enough drifting to make the corner without brake points and at the same time clipping the apex for a smooth finish. I hope this helps the people that have no knowledge in this sport. Have fun and be safe.

Last I checked, Tsuchiya's AE86 has 225ps (correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't seen his Trueno in a while), and 400hp Evos aren't his greatest compitition... I am :lol: . But seriously Tsuchiya has beaten GT-Rs like they were nothing... and while he's drifting the entire track (except turns that don't need drifting). His skill while controlling that car is unbeatable. I'll most likely never be THAT great, but my friend's say I'm pretty good. The Corolla Cup is something that I've been thinking about. You really, REALLY, need to be a damn good driver to get a podium finish. And what you said about initiating the perfect drift... I couldn't of said it any better. My dad tells me that he has raced in Corolla Cup back in the day, but I don't even know if he did. He hides stuff from me. We have a Bunta/Takumi relationship...

-Tom
 
You can't talk to these drift-freaks. They are indoctrinated by a cartoon. They act like it's a martial art, like it is very serious. It's funny to me. When I see anyone drifting on a paved track in a real, sponsored race, I'll eat my words. Until then, grip is to win.
 
You also have to take a look at, in japan where drifitng is really popular, the cars are very different. Most japanese cars I see have a short stance and seem tall, different center of gravity.

Looking at American and Europen sports cars, their long and low.

This would mean different driving styles for different cars but, as to which is the best.

Well you don't see many tall short Indy cars, Or LeMans cars do you.
 
Drift IS NOT fast, 4 Wheel drifting isn't fast, to much sideways motion.

Goto Japan and say that out loud... see if you live.:lol:

Some people aren't fast with grip driving, my best friend's Levin has 250ps while my Trueno has 220ps. He grips, I drift, I always am the victor... and he's not slow.

-Tom
 
You can't talk to these drift-freaks. They are indoctrinated by a cartoon. They act like it's a martial art, like it is very serious. It's funny to me. When I see anyone drifting on a paved track in a real, sponsored race, I'll eat my words. Until then, grip is to win.

First off, I'm not a 'drift freak', it's only the way I was taught to race. Indoctrinated... by Initial D? I've only been drifting before that cartoon hit Japan, so don't give me the Initial D freak thing. A martial art? Some consider it an art form, but for me it's just a way to race. I don't mean to be an ass about this, it's just the differences in racing in the U.S. and racing here in Japan.

-Tom
 
"Deity of Drift". That says it all, milefile.

I don't begrudge you guys your fun at all. Go to it. But 15 years from now, people will still be racing cars, and drifting will be mostly forgotten.
 
Ahhh...but a foot note in the history of car racing.

Much like Venturi's Mothers house.

AO
 
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