What is preventing PD from putting Ferrari,lambo and porsche other then the liscense?

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robin2223
I second that!........no more NFSU crap!

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Thanks. I miss those Lamborghinis! :guilty:

Boy I thought the NFSU was just a one time deal. I was hoping after that, they'd go back to the good way. Now they have NFSU2.
 
^ yeah.....it makes me wonder why EA are still holding on to the right of those exotic manufacturers if they are currently going down the NSFU route.....Give them to PD and GT for god's sake!!! They will be happier there......either that or make Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 3 (I dont mean Need for Speed 3 Hot Pursuit but the way :lol:).....that it what the NFS brand should be

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Kazonuri has been quoted on saying that , the reason Gran Turismo hasnt got these cars in is because , the licence money for these makers is way too high , on top of the ones already in the game .
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And can you provide a source for him saying that, and more to the topic a soure about him saying that about them being in GT4? Posts like that arn't much good here without anything to back it up especially sice Ferrari have said they want to be in GT, KY has said he wan't them to be in GT, Ferrari couldn't be in any previouse GT's because of their license with EA and not because of money and it would be far more advatagouse on Ferrari's behalf to appear in GT for a little less money than to appear in a NFS game for an extra so much.
 
This I could understand if it was true...

If damage was real, then I could see why Ferrari, Lamborghini, and others wouldn't give any licenses to PD. No manufacturer wants to see their cars smashed, but that will never happen.
 
Ferrari and Porsche are in Forza and trhey will be getting damaged in that. I don't think damage is much of an issue these days, most companies accept that it only adds to the game and doesn't affect the cars image or desireability in real life. The main thing for KY I think was simulating damage at the same standard as the rest of GT on the PS2.
 
You know, I never actually saw a link or a quote or a scanned copy of the contract that proves the EA license expires in November. It gets mentioned a hell of a lot but I've never actually seen a source.
 
I don't think people really have a way of getting the offical paper scanned or copied. I think they hear it from them people who made the contract.
 
live4speed
Yesw it has confused them, and ArtaNSX thoes cars are cool, but theres no such thing as a Gulf F50 GT or the F50 GT race car, the only versions were sold as road cars after the race project was scraped and the buyers had to sign forms which forbid them from using them in competition.
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haha yes sadly your right, but its an option to include them if the developers want, similar to the GT90 which never saw the light of day.
 
McLaren F1GTR
Although those Porsche pictures are convincing, I've found other pics with Ferrari in them. EA has had a long relationship with these 3 companys. But it seems EA's contract may be up. Why do they still need them. The NFS series is going to **** with all the import crap. I'm begging you EA, RETURN the NFS SERIES BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS!
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No dont return EA becuace if EA returns to that then guess what no ferrari porsche or lamborghinis in the GT series.
 
Nope, EA could use Ferraris and PD could use them at the same time, all that would need to happen is for Ferrari to not offer an EXCLUSIVE license to anyone, same goes for Porsche, Lamborghini ect.
 
live4speed
Nope, EA could use Ferraris and PD could use them at the same time, all that would need to happen is for Ferrari to not offer an EXCLUSIVE license to anyone, same goes for Porsche, Lamborghini ect.
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Yeah but what if "EA" is being an "ass" and says that they want an EXCLUSIVE liscense so only THEY can use it? then what would happen? PD get liscense?
 
It's not upto EA, Ferrari have a say too you know. I don't see names like Ferrari offering exclusive licenses anymore, they're good for the big payment but they loose so much money from not giving license to other companies over that contract period it's not as much in the long run, and when Ferrari made that license with EA there was only really NFS and GT using real cars in a game, there was only a couple of others, now loads of developers are after every license they can get their hands on.
 
live4speed
It's not upto EA, Ferrari have a say too you know. I don't see names like Ferrari offering exclusive licenses anymore, they're good for the big payment but they loose so much money from not giving license to other companies over that contract period it's not as much in the long run, and when Ferrari made that license with EA there was only really NFS and GT using real cars in a game, there was only a couple of others, now loads of developers are after every license they can get their hands on.
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Actually, there's a game called OutRun2 that uses an Exclusive Ferrari License since the only cars are Ferrari. Anyways, it's already made, and I think Sega won't need it anymore. It's basically a simple game.
 
OutRun2 is made by Seag who made a joint deal with both Ferrari and EA to use Ferrari's, just because the only cars in a game are Ferrari's doesn't mean that an exclusive license is used, remeber VW beetle adventure racing for the N64, do you think VW signed over an exclusive license for that game? They didn't.
 
I've made this point countless times, but the acquisition of Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini licenses mean you have three of the finest car companies in the world past, present, and future. These three companies exemplify the upper echelons of racing. Ferrari is the F1 king. Porsche dominated sportscar racing while doing rally in their past. Lamborghini has (or had?) its own series, the Lamborghini Supertrophy with those Diablos from what I can remember. But anyhow, if you acquire licenses to them, perchance you have ample reason to buy the cars to expand the garage and be able to say to rivals "The (Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini) _____ ownz you!"

I'm going to think differentely. Some people think that it's okay to drift out a Ferrari Enzo in Project Gotham Racing 2, but you can't take another Enzo and rule Tsukuba in GT4. I'm no legal expert or public relations person, but I kind of think that prestigious companies like Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche wouldn't want to see their cars being modified with Stage 4 Turbos and racing kits. Because even though you prep a car up for racing, I don't know. The Gran Turismo series has been considered more of an "encyclopedia of cars" (-Kazunori Yamauchi, creator of the GT series). And one would ask right away, "how can you have such an encyclopedia without three of the best European exotic car companies?" You don't always get what you want. The next question would be "John, you can outrun/become the Lamborghini cops in "Need for Speed II: Hot Pursuit," you can slide your car out for Kudos in Project Gotham, so why don't you think racing on a track in GT doesn't satisfy such big car makers?" What may be holding back PD from getting the licenses may be the interests of the respective car companies. GT is more arcadish while a sim, and the people who race such cars respect the history of these companies and just want to race their dream cars in the way they want to race them. So to me, it seems like how these three companies examine Gran Turismo and its fans.
 
I always felt that the "exclusive" contract concept wouldn't really work in the real world. What if, say EA has the exclusive license for Ferrari, at what point of time does it end, and what exactly must EA do when it ends? What if a game they were working on still isn't ready for release? Do they cancel the whole game just because the time was up, and there were delays? Or, do they get to finish whatever game they were working on that had Ferraris in it?

What if PD had the Ferrari license for just one year, and then Ferrari sold the exclusive contract to somebody else? Would we get Ferraris in GT 4 only? Since PD is working on GT4, and GT5 at the same time, can they put Ferrari in both games? What if they worked on GT6, 7 and 8 at the same time? Could they use Ferraris in all three? It's not PD's fault there wasn't enough time to finish the game.

That's why I don't think there is anything such as a "exclusive" contracts. It seems much to complicated to endure. I think it's this way; pay Ferrari, and you can use their cars in your video game. Fin.
 
Solid Lifters
I always felt that the "exclusive" contract concept wouldn't really work in the real world. What if, say EA has the exclusive license for Ferrari, at what point of time does it end, and what exactly must EA do when it ends? What if a game they were working on still isn't ready for release? Do they cancel the whole game just because the time was up, and there were delays? Or, do they get to finish whatever game they were working on that had Ferraris in it?

What if PD had the Ferrari license for just one year, and then Ferrari sold the exclusive contract to somebody else? Would we get Ferraris in GT 4 only? Since PD is working on GT4, and GT5 at the same time, can they put Ferrari in both games? What if they worked on GT6, 7 and 8 at the same time? Could they use Ferraris in all three? It's not PD's fault there wasn't enough time to finish the game.

That's why I don't think there is anything such as a "exclusive" contracts. It seems much to complicated to endure. I think it's this way; pay Ferrari, and you can use their cars in your video game. Fin.
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Damn, never even thought about it that way. After the liscence expires, it goes up for auction. Whoever wins the bidding gets the liscence for "x" amount of time. That's in simple terms, you have to ask someone else for all the complicated stuff ;)

But I agree with you in saying that it could be in just about all games.
 
Once a licens has expired the owner or Ferrari in this case can then do what they wonat with it, they ca hold it back, sell it to the highest offer of whaever, they could sell it as another exclusive license or they could see a hundred non-exclusive licenses it's up to them. If a game was in development and it wasn't ready by the time the licese expired I would assume that there would be clause in the licence to cover that.
 
Just one thing about Porsches that there are companies who tune Porsches and Ferraries,Like Hamman(Which is a german tuner for german cars like BMW ,PORSCHES, also they do Ferraris), so I dont think they mind being tuned to superchargers and turbos, because anybody can buy a car and tune it there is no stoping that ,so why can this happen in a game. :)

have a look it this site http://www.hamann-motorsport.de/homee.htm
 
live4speed
Once a licens has expired the owner or Ferrari in this case can then do what they wonat with it, they ca hold it back, sell it to the highest offer of whaever, they could sell it as another exclusive license or they could see a hundred non-exclusive licenses it's up to them. If a game was in development and it wasn't ready by the time the licese expired I would assume that there would be clause in the licence to cover that.
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But how many games would that cover, and how would it cover it? How many clauses? A butt-load, I imagine. Don't you see a big complicated mess heading your way? If EA had, say 4 games in the works, do they get to finish all of them? See, that's the mess that just doesn't seem all that easy to arrange in a exclusive contract. If they say words that "reasonable progress of game developement" for unfinished game titiles, how much is "reasonable?"

This is all that "lawer crap" that I can't seem to grasp. I just don't see it as being possible.
 
McLaren F1GTR
At the end of the video, it shows Ferrari, and underneath "Exclusive License"
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What the hell? Where is this?

I'd say the contract would probably extend for EA to include Ferraris in a certain number of games in that case. Makes the most sense really.
 
Solid Lifters
But how many games would that cover, and how would it cover it? How many clauses? A butt-load, I imagine. Don't you see a big complicated mess heading your way? If EA had, say 4 games in the works, do they get to finish all of them? See, that's the mess that just doesn't seem all that easy to arrange in a exclusive contract. If they say words that "reasonable progress of game developement" for unfinished game titiles, how much is "reasonable?"

This is all that "lawer crap" that I can't seem to grasp. I just don't see it as being possible.
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Well that lawyer crap is there if you can grasp it or not. There will be a shed load of clauses thats why these contracts take so long to make, if EA had 4 games that were due to be finnished before the end of the contract they could probably finnish them off no problem, if they had a game ion develpoment and it wasn't coming out before that date then I would guess they could still have Ferrari's in there but they would have to pay an additional charge, Ferari couldn't stop them making the cars for the game during the contract period, however depending on the contract itself they might be able to charge extra for the cars being in that game after the contract period. Remeber the whole BMW bought Rolly Royce name thing, when tey bought the brand and someone else bought the cars, the people who bought the cars made a mistake in the contract, and as a result they bought the cars but not the brand, why did they make that mistake, because contracts are complicated, they have loads of clauses and have very clever wording.
 
if the license expires before the product is first put on sale,
The owners of the copyright would be quite entitled to sue, the producers of the game.
There is no compromise.
The license ends when it ends according to the contract.
Imagine the case.
E.A starts producing 4 new games based on Ferrari in october.
In novemeber the license expires, EA then spends the next year finishing these products, in the meantime they no longer would need to resign a contract with ferrari, and ferrari would not be able to sell a exclusivity contract to say PD because it would be worthless.

Damn Live4speed you beat me to it with a spookily similar example.
 

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