Which GM division is doing the best?

[TopHat]

My vote goes for saturn


EDIT: My reasons are the Sky, the Outlook, and the the Vectra that may be coming!

 

[skip0110]

Now, or in the future?

I think Caddy is faring the best today, and I'd agree Saturn and Pontiac have nice futures to look forward to...

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Well, most of GM (well the ones in charge, anyway) seems to have their heads so far up their asses they can probably see themselves chew. But Saturn and Cadillac haven't been doing too bad recently.

 

[///M-Spec]

Cadillac seems to the division with the most 'complete' line up. There's not a single dud in their showroom right now (well, except for the completely retarded EXT). The other divisions still have some weak cars here and there, but Caddy seems to have it's act together.


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[TopHat]

And the weak cars are... IMO

Saturn- ION, Relay, VUE

Buick- LaCrosse

Pontiac- Torrent

Chevy- Uplander, Malibu

HUMMER- Entire Line-Up

Saab- 9-5, 9-6x

Holden- Ute (BLAND)

 

[1X83Z]

It's obviously Cadillac, the only competitive GM division.

I voted for Pontiac, though, because I wish it were doing the best.

 

[Tornado]

I voted for Hummer, because, despite conventional wisdom saying to do other things, GM is still throwing money at the brand to build new, crappy products that will still go on to make GM rediculous profits.




And voting for Saturn is pretty odd, as the future of the brand is essentially just Opel minus the Opel badge, essentially making it the American version of Vauxhall.

 

[TopHat]

Which is a bad thing why? All this means is a better product.

 

[1X83Z]

I voted for Hummer, because, despite conventional wisdom saying to do other things, GM is still throwing money at the brand to build new, crappy products that will still go on to make GM rediculous profits.

Isn't GM losing money on Hummer? I mean, sales have taken a gigantic nosedive in the last couple of years. I'm pretty sure profits are neither rediculous nor ridiculous. Unless rediculous means small.

And voting for Saturn is pretty odd, as the future of the brand is essentially just Opel minus the Opel badge, essentially making it the American version of Vauxhall.[/SIZE][/FONT]

What's wrong with that?

 

[Tornado]

Isn't GM losing money on Hummer? I mean, sales have taken a gigantic nosedive in the last couple of years. I'm pretty sure profits are neither rediculous nor ridiculous. Unless rediculous means small.

They are losing money on the brand, but each individual car sold still gives GM stupidly large profits. They just don't sell enough of them.

What's wrong with that?

Just a criticism of the way the poll is set up.

 

[TopHat]

Whats wrong with the poll set up? I listed the GM Divisions (minus Subaru, just seem separate to me...) What is the problem?

 

[Dave A]

Opel/Vauxhall, they're the only worthwhile representation of GM over here when it comes to questions of this nature. I'd think that they sell enough cars to be a contender for the best overall though they have a decent lineup, very comlete from sportscars, economy hatchbacks, sports hatchbacks, saloon cars, muscle cars though thay've just been discontinued ect. They don't delve into the luxury market but i don't think anyone would buy a into a luxury Vauxhall.

 

[1X83Z]

They are losing money on the brand, but each individual car sold still gives GM stupidly large profits. They just don't sell enough of them.

I can imagine each vehicle must yield hefty profits, since they don't take too much in the way of investment (using existing engines and platforms). It's Jeep Wrangler syndrome (except nothing will ever equal the brilliance of the Wrangler's minimum investment, maximum return situation). But yes I also agree that sales have dropped off, so they don't make that much anymore. So in an economic sense, Hummer is brilliant. Sort of like Porsche. They make like $10 zillion per car.

Just a criticism of the way the poll is set up.

I see. Well it's not like he couldn't have included Saturn or Vauxhall, so I guess it makes as much sense as it can. When the hell is the Ion getting discontinued?

 

[skip0110]

When the hell is the Ion getting discontinued?

In March 2007 the plant that builds it will close.

 

[Slicks]

I voted for Cadillac, due to my oppinion being that they are doing the best at the moment. However, I also believe that Saturn, Pontiac, and Chevrolet have promising futures ahead, with Saturn getting a few rebadged Opels (And quite nice ones, by the looks of it), and with Chevy/Pontiac looking at a resurgence of RWD cars (Camaro, next Impala/Grand Prix, aka. Holden Commodore of the next generation).

 

[1X83Z]

In March 2007 the plant that builds it will close.

Are you sure they're not going to give it a minor restyling then try to carry it on for another eight years, like they did last time?

 

[skip0110]

The Astra is Delta based as well so who knows how much of an improvement it will actually be.

 

[YSSMAN]

I think overall it is hard to argue against what Cadillac and Saturn are doing right now, but in terms of whats comming up, Chevrolet is making the right decisions to maintain it's place as the dominant brand in North America.

Simply put, Chevrolet is making the right decisions to secure that. I'll do my best to go through them:

- The Cobalt has gone over very well, and has gained enough street cred to make it popular with the import kids. GM actually had to increase production on the coupe models, as I belive they were outselling the sedan two or three to one. It is a solid platform with solid power options, complete with a great price and an excelent warranty.

- The HHR has also gone over quite well, and with the addition of the HHR Pannel, it should only help to increase sales in some respects. The addition of the 2.0 DIT model will be helpful as well, as it will give it a pretty hardcore performance attitude. Having 260 BHP on tap should turn it into a monster, what it comes down to is if GMPD can make the suspension perform the right way.

- The Malibu, although in early Vectra forms didn't turn out perfect, it was a value leader (and continues to be). Next-generation models, guestimating by spy-shots, look very impressive and dealers are very excited based off of last months preview. Given that it will take more European cues from the Vectra itself (in terms of power and performance), it should only increase its placing in the market, allready one of the better selling sedans in America.

- The Impala is going through a change as well, and although W-Body models have certainly kept up with the competition in some ways, they haven't been perfect. Going on the Zeta platform with the Commodore, it will be successful if GM packages it right, and all signs point towards them doing so. Going with RWD is key to their success, and I hope it will be a success.

- ...Same story above for the Monte Carlo... Think GTO with a Chevy badge, and maybe a change over to the Chevelle name once again...

- The Chevrolet Camaro, need I say more?

- The Chevrolet Corvette? The "Blue Devil" is on the way...

- The Chevrolet Equinox is still a pretty great SUV, but it is up in the air as to how it will be replaced...

- The Chevrolet Trailblazer is in the same spot. Good news is that the GMT960 platform (Outlook, Acadia, Enclave) supports a wide range of options, and Chevrolet may eleminate both the Trailblazer and Equinox in favor of a new GMT960 model.

- The Chevrolet Tahoe/Suburban/Avalanche: Great prices, good fuel economy, and great build quality make them good players in a shrinking market. With hybrid power on the way and the introduction more fuel-efficent models (including diesel), they can pretty much be guaranteed success.

- The Chevrolet Silverado: Easily the best new pickup on the American market, the only problem I see for the truck is the Toyota Tundra, but even then, I think it is too soft to compete with the Chevy. Like it's GMT900 brethren, good prices, high fuel economy, and great build quality make them winners...

 

[inferno]

In March 2007 the plant that builds it will close.

Um, so whats hapening with the cobalt then? is GM canning their only compact platform? A replacement? Or are they just stoping production on the ion and not the entire platform. If so, that dosnt make much sense to me.

 

[skip0110]

Um, so whats hapening with the cobalt then? is GM canning their only compact platform? A replacement? Or are they just stoping production on the ion and not the entire platform. If so, that dosnt make much sense to me.

Just the Ion is stopping production. The Ion is built in Tenessee and the Cobalt is built in Ohio. The Astra will be built in Mexico when it comes to the US.

 

[1X83Z]

- The Chevrolet Equinox is still a pretty great SUV, but it is up in the air as to how it will be replaced...

Don't you mean "worst SUV on the market?" I think it earns that title now that the XL-7's been redesigned.

Or are they just stoping production on the ion and not the entire platform. If so, that dosnt make much sense to me.

It makes perfect sense. Why would Chevrolet stop production on a vehicle that just came out?

 

[Jim Prower]

Opel/Vauxhall, by far. The Astra is a phenominal sales success, and it'll make a great Saturn.

 

[TheCracker]

I voted Opel/Vauxhall they sell tons of cars - not because they are great, but because they are average.

 

[skip0110]

Don't you mean "worst SUV on the market?" I think it earns that title now that the XL-7's been redesigned.

Worst SUV: Jeep Compass/Patriot.

 

[Poverty]

Its opel/vauxhall easy. Their crappiest car on sale today is the vectra, which americans are lauding about in pontiac form.

 

[usedHONDA]

I just know that Pontiac will sell every Solstice they have (they sold all 15,750 units a few months ago, not that they made a lot)

 

[TopHat]

Yeah, and? Just because they sell all of the available Solstices doesn't make Pontiac the best off. Most people agree, that until the Zeta-Cars swing around, Pontiac isn't in the best shape.

 

[1X83Z]

I just know that Pontiac will sell every Solstice they have (they sold all 15,750 units a few months ago, not that they made a lot)

I was walking through a parking lot with my parents on Friday night and we came across a bright yellow, extremely clean Solstice that the valets had left in the front. I asked them, before they could see the Pontiac badges, what they thought the car went for. They replied with $60,000 and $40,000. The vehicle lists for under $20,000. It's the exact vehicle Pontiac needed to rejuvinate it. Now if they could just get rid of the G6.

 

[usedHONDA]

The Solstice GXP will cost less than $35,000 and will go for even less on eBay.

 

[Dave A]

Not much of a reason to think Pontiac are doing the best though though is it. I figured this would be between Cadillac and Vauxhall and the votes would show what they do that either side of the pond will vote for the one they get. It's hard for me to assosciate Cadillac with being anywhere near as good as or as popular as Vauxhall but by contrast the Vauxhalls you get are shoved under a different badge so they'll get classed in whatever company that is I guess.