Windows... 10?!?

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Latvija27
Well my laptop is 6 years old now and the battery doesn't work its bit slow to start and I can't really buy another one without wasting money and I don't use it much for gaming. So if it fails I think I will just use my mobile phone for everything almost a app for everything. I don't like where Microsoft is going and they look like they want a subscription service and I think they want to replace steam and I do not like the idea of auto update. I think my only choice is to ditch windows.
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You could stick Ubuntu on it. It works really well on older hardware. Or you could just leave Windows 7 in its current state and use things like MSE and Malwarebytes to keep it safe.
 
Robin.
You could stick Ubuntu on it. It works really well on older hardware. Or you could just leave Windows 7 in its current state and use things like MSE and Malwarebytes to keep it safe.
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how many years should a laptop last?
 
Latvija27
how many years should a laptop last?
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Depends on what you need it for, a laptop can last a decade if all you need to do with it is type some documents and surf the web.

With so much focus on web based applications rather than system based ones it has actually increased the lifespan of laptops because everything is offloaded to the cloud.

I still regularly use a Lenovo 3000 series from 2006, does what I need it to. Was apparently a bold styling departure for them at the time!

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Latvija27
Well my laptop is 6 years old now and the battery doesn't work its bit slow to start and I can't really buy another one without wasting money and I don't use it much for gaming. So if it fails I think I will just use my mobile phone for everything almost a app for everything. I don't like where Microsoft is going and they look like they want a subscription service and I think they want to replace steam and I do not like the idea of auto update. I think my only choice is to ditch windows.
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I like those Microsoft Surface Pro tables, but wow they're almost $1000.

Latvija27
how many years should a laptop last?
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I think my Toshiba Satellite is going on 7 years. In that time, I have put a 250GB SSD in it, but still works. Just has some old i3, 6GB RAM and the 250GB SSD.
 
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Uggh Windows 10 is so irritating. I can't get it to dual boot correctly with Linux. I tried installing them on separate drives but eventually Windows just pushes Linux out of the UEFI boot order. I guess I'm going back to Linux with the Windows 7 VM.
 
So I in my racing room's forum, starting to reply to a message from someone and this Windows alert message pops up and says something like 'Your device is about to restart'. There is no time given, and it gives me two options: Restart Now, and Close. So I select Close.

Some time later I am nearly finished with my lengthy post when all of the sudden, with no warning, the screen goes blue and Windows starts installing an update.

I am not too worried, because I have the forum set up to save drafts like gtplanet. But when I go back, the whole message is gone.

I have my PC set up to do stuff like that in the middle of the night. What the hell? Thanks Bill, oh wait, Thanks Steve, oh wait, who the hell is Satya?
 
Chrunch Houston
So I in my racing room's forum, starting to reply to a message from someone and this Windows alert message pops up and says something like 'Your device is about to restart'. There is no time given, and it gives me two options: Restart Now, and Close. So I select Close.

Some time later I am nearly finished with my lengthy post when all of the sudden, with no warning, the screen goes blue and Windows starts installing an update.

I am not too worried, because I have the forum set up to save drafts like gtplanet. But when I go back, the whole message is gone.

I have my PC set up to do stuff like that in the middle of the night. What the hell? Thanks Bill, oh wait, Thanks Steve, oh wait, who the hell is Satya?
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You're supposed to be able to change your active hours so that it doesn't reboot unexpectedly like that. The only way I could see it being ignored is if it's some update that the computer can't possibly continue without restarting for.
 
stonesfan129
You're supposed to be able to change your active hours so that it doesn't reboot unexpectedly like that. The only way I could see it being ignored is if it's some update that the computer can't possibly continue without restarting for.
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I just checked my active hours, they were set up incorrectly. But, it does say "Note: We'll check to see if you're using this device before attempting to restart.", and I was typing at the time.
 
stonesfan129
Uggh Windows 10 is so irritating. I can't get it to dual boot correctly with Linux. I tried installing them on separate drives but eventually Windows just pushes Linux out of the UEFI boot order. I guess I'm going back to Linux with the Windows 7 VM.
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Really? Me and two other friends are dual booting Linux on our Windows 10 laptops fine.
 
TwinTurbo LM
Really? Me and two other friends are dual booting Linux on our Windows 10 laptops fine.
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Yeah it keeps pushing my Linux partition out of the UEFI boot order. I don't really need it for anything except iTunes anyway. I deleted my Windows 10 partition and went back to just running a Windows 7 VM on Linux. This works fine for now. I have a Windows 8.1 license too for when 7 becomes unsupported in 2020.
 
So did anybody revert to XP, 7 or 8.1? Anyone switch to a Linux distribution instead? I wish Macs weren't so dang expensive, they seem pretty nice if you own all the Apple things.
 
stonesfan129
So did anybody revert to XP, 7 or 8.1? Anyone switch to a Linux distribution instead? I wish Macs weren't so dang expensive, they seem pretty nice if you own all the Apple things.
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I went to Linux. Best decision I have made in a looooooooooooong time computering.
 
I've had the pleasure of having 2 identical desktops (i5, 4gb) to work on lately and decided to have a little Microsoft fun. On one I've installed Win7 ultimate and the other has Win10 Pro and haven't touched any of the settings. I have them idling side by side, and the Win7 is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing. Very little to nothing. Every once in a while a tiny blip on the network, and a quick hdd rattle. The Win10 apparently doesn't know what it is to idle. Continuous HDD activity. Continuous Network activity.

Also, I've had several people, including my mom, complain how God awful slow their computers have become with Win 10. And on those computers I did turn off as much as possible and removed bloatware like madness.

Why?? What is that horrible collection of 0's and 1's doing in the background? What's screwing up the startup? And most importantly: Why can't I find anything in the taskmanagers that is hogging the system? How much is there running hidden from sight?
 
Dennisch
Also, I've had several people, including my mom, complain how God awful slow their computers have become with Win 10. And on those computers I did turn off as much as possible and removed bloatware like madness.
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Mine runs like crap.
 
Dennisch
I've had the pleasure of having 2 identical desktops (i5, 4gb) to work on lately and decided to have a little Microsoft fun. On one I've installed Win7 ultimate and the other has Win10 Pro and haven't touched any of the settings. I have them idling side by side, and the Win7 is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing. Very little to nothing. Every once in a while a tiny blip on the network, and a quick hdd rattle. The Win10 apparently doesn't know what it is to idle. Continuous HDD activity. Continuous Network activity.

Also, I've had several people, including my mom, complain how God awful slow their computers have become with Win 10. And on those computers I did turn off as much as possible and removed bloatware like madness.

Why?? What is that horrible collection of 0's and 1's doing in the background? What's screwing up the startup? And most importantly: Why can't I find anything in the taskmanagers that is hogging the system? How much is there running hidden from sight?
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Windows 10 thrashes everything when it detects it's idle which is the most annoying thing ever. It's mostly all the information gathering and phoning home it's doing as well as updating. 'System and compressed memory' is also the biggest hog in task manager, apparently it's a feature to destroy your CPU and RAM instead of using the HDD.

My laptop's (i5 8GB) fan has never worked so hard when 10 was on it till I downgraded. I want my machine to cool down when I'm using it lightly, not get hotter! It has no redeeming features imo, it looks ugly, the modern app's never really took off and it's full of bloat.
 
Guys, I have a problem...
My laptop is new, 3 months old, and well, it was running really great. Perfectly fine.
Specs:
i5 950m

Until I downloaded this update a few days ago

KB4013429 security update


Since then I have issues with Steam, the fan is a lot louder while idling, but the worst of all the laptop takes forever to boot... like 8-10 minutes! It took a minute before, it was really fast. :(
The icons on my desktop are also kinda loading slowly after booting up. It's odd.

So my question is what happened?

I'm now removing this update, but not sure if that's gonna help? I hope it does.

And how do I proceed then? Any tips?



EDIT So, I deleted that update, first time it would still take a long time to boot, tried again and it was a lot faster. Also the fan doesn't seem to be as loud and erratic anymore.
I haven't tested much stuff as I'm tired and not in the mood, but generally it felt snappier again - I think it has worked...


But what now? I can't update windows anymore? I just know this'll happen again when I try... Even if not right away, but I just don't trust it anymore.

Windows 8 or 7?


@Robin. Ironically how you want your laptop is exactly how mine was (is)...

I can hear the fan, but it only goes up when I do something, like play a game, maybe watch a movie, just something... when it's idling it goes down again and also the laptop stays pretty cool even after hours of gaming usually.


Crazy theory time: could it be that windows updates just sometimes get messed up and it *looks * like everything is fine, but really the update just didn't install correctly. So every time you update it keeps those settings and kinda gets worse over time? Because before I deleted that update my fans would go up, the harddrive kept spinning, the laptop got hot while doing absolutely nothing...
Actually, I think this theory isn't all that crazy maybe, oh well...


Also btw it also depends on your specs.

My laptop is midrange and well, I hear the fans spinning, while gaming it gets rather loud (more than my PS3), but I bought a laptop for a family member, i3, low end graphics card, SSD. I don't hear that thing at all. Occasionally the fans will go up shortly then silent again it's pretty awesome.

Sorry for the essay but this windows update mania is infuriating like hell...


But anyhow - I still need help, I really hope someone can give me a few tips how to proceed now....?
 
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Try system restore.

Go back before you done the update.
But it is also a good idea to run an anti malware scan.
 
Grayfox
Try system restore.

Go back before you done the update.
But it is also a good idea to run an anti malware scan.
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Yeah, but I rather meant going forward, I just fear the next update, which will probably include KB4013429 security update will screw everything up again?
I know there aren't many options though outside of going windows 7 or 8?

I also think the removal of this update already did some kind of system restore, because unfortunately when I open a file there's always this "open with winamp" entry again which was previously not there (stupidly I installed and then later removed this program, but it seems it's impossible to remove it entirely - but it never slowed my system down or anything, it was just an annoyance).


Well, I'll have to do some extensive tests, but I have the feeling the system is currently fine and stable.

The only issue I then still have is going forward with Windows 10 updates.
 
BobK
There's always Linux.
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Idk if serious, but I would love that, unfortunately it's not an option, because most games aren't compatible. Until Steam and Co makes all games Linux or Steam OS compatible, my system will be married with Windows. So probably forever. :(
 
Linux needs a graphics API.

If Vulkan gets supported by game companies writing a few launchers for linux wont be that hard, heck the linux community could write them, it would still need a legal copy of the game files.
 
Wait a minute... It just installed another "security update" but I haven't been online with it since over a week (and yes, I did anti malware scan plus windows defender scan I always do when I've been online)

Security update KB3200970 20/04/2017

How? :lol


I'm also not finding the thing were you could turn on and off which apps are allowed to "phone home"...
I had them all turned off! Any idea where this went, they removed it, didn't they?


Also the whole settings menu is different I can't find anything...!


I'm getting the feeling this whole windows thing is a scam.

Umm... This isn't the laptop I bought anymore :odd:
 
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Wait a minute... It just installed another "security update" but I haven't been online with it since over a week (and yes, I did anti malware scan plus windows defender scan I always do when I've been online)

Security update KB3200970 20/04/2017

How? :lol


I'm also not finding the thing were you could turn on and off which apps are allowed to "phone home"...
I had them all turned off! Any idea where this went, they removed it, didn't they?


Also the whole settings menu is different I can't find anything...!


I'm getting the feeling this whole windows thing is a scam.

Umm... This isn't the laptop I bought anymore :odd:
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W10 out of the box has always been fishy. I try not to do too much on mine outside of games and schoolwork.
 

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