WRC 4 - October 2013

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paulpg87
looks good even if it doesn't remind me the real rally of germany.
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Yes, I think Milestone with their new stages are moving away from representing the real stages, but instead creating fantasy rally stages that have the features and characteristics plus feel of each country's stages.

In truth, it's probably best, as the real rally stages are looooong. I know a number of people want a return to that, and Milestone do have classically longer stages than DiRT has been giving us during the last two games - but that seems to be the way of it for now, possibly due to allowing more (read: new) people to pick up and engage with the game.

It'll probably take a next-gen game to give us far longer stages though, and of course for that to be deemed important. Milestone appear to be paying attention to feedback and more importantly, responding. So maybe in future...
 
paulpg87
looks good even if it doesn't remind me the real rally of germany. i think the old wrc 4 from evo studios is still the best game in providing the real feal of the landscape, all vineyards and militar base.
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Well I won't judge it from one stage. Pretty sure the real rally is not solely made up of military and vineyard roads.

Look at some rally Germany on board footage.
 
MeanElf
Yes, I think Milestone with their new stages are moving away from representing the real stages, but instead creating fantasy rally stages that have the features and characteristics plus feel of each country's stages.

In truth, it's probably best, as the real rally stages are looooong. I know a number of people want a return to that, and Milestone do have classically longer stages than DiRT has been giving us during the last two games - but that seems to be the way of it for now, possibly due to allowing more (read: new) people to pick up and engage with the game.

It'll probably take a next-gen game to give us far longer stages though, and of course for that to be deemed important. Milestone appear to be paying attention to feedback and more importantly, responding. So maybe in future...
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Sorry for double post.

No game will ever recreate full rally stages. Far too much work before you get to even the modelling stage. Even Richard Burns Rally, noble as their efforts were to recreate real stages, still had to significantly shorten them. And the old Network Q RAC Rally and Rally Championship games, although recreate them they did, graphically it was poor.

So I wouldn't say they are making fantasy stages in the style of the countries, they do use parts of real stages if you play the games you will see.
 
Nordschleife is in almost every new racing game so you can do real life stages. It's more work to recreate them in details, you have to visit all those countries and not every company had such money to do this.

Imagined stages, well keep em coming 👍 :)
 
Nordschleife isn't a rally stage. And no games have 90-120 Nordschleife equivalents across 13 enviroments. So it's a bit different.
 
It good as stage as any other out there. It's the longest racing circuit so i think it could be done.
 
You didn't read what I said. Having 1 13km racing track is different to having 120 5 to 40km rally stages in 13 different environments.
 
The stage that Alan drove looked like they hadn't added all the scenery, so perhaps vineyards will make their appearance
 
MildAshers
You didn't read what I said. Having 1 13km racing track is different to having 120 5 to 40km rally stages in 13 different environments.
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No it's not different, it's just hard to realize. Most racing track are short, 3.5 km 4 km tops but Nordschleife is 20 km long. So it could be done, but take a lot of effort and money, to travel and take pictures of every rally stage and measure then transfer to computers, model tracks with graphics and banners, add spectators. I don't see how this could not be possible or even different from having short stages. What? Like laziness or lack of money to achieve that is the only two reason in that matter.

But if Milestone thinks it's just better to let designers create imaginary rally stages it's also great and i approve that idea. Works fin with me, at least i would be playing WRC4 very shortly, rather than waiting for all the crew finishing their work on real live stages.
 
ussr
I don't see how this could not be possible or even different from having short stages.
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MildAshers didn't say it is impossible, just that no game developer will ever do that, because it just takes too long to develop one long stage, let alone many dozens. It takes years and only enthusiasts will drive them, because most of the gamers don't want to drive 20+ mins just a one stage.

Such game won't make them money and that is what businesses are for - to make money.
 
ussr
No it's not different, it's just hard to realize. Most racing track are short, 3.5 km 4 km tops but Nordschleife is 20 km long. So it could be done, but take a lot of effort and money, to travel and take pictures of every rally stage and measure then transfer to computers, model tracks with graphics and banners, add spectators. I don't see how this could not be possible or even different from having short stages. What? Like laziness or lack of money to achieve that is the only two reason in that matter.

But if Milestone thinks it's just better to let designers create imaginary rally stages it's also great and i approve that idea. Works fin with me, at least i would be playing WRC4 very shortly, rather than waiting for all the crew finishing their work on real live stages.
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It is different. Nordschleife is a permanent facility, most games don't model it as it is seen on race weekends. Also, Forza 4 for example, still has the Nordschleife model from Forza 3 which is as old as the sun (I read somewhere its based off the PGR2 model) so even they haven't built it everytime. On PC, only 1 sim has actually made it themselves, that being Simbin, outside of that its usually the same one or 2 being converted to other sims. iRacing has not modelled the Nordschleife as it takes too long to scan the whole track properly and get the scenery right.

If a games company was to go out an accurately recreate every stage in the WRC, it would take many many years.

bumer
MildAshers didn't say it is impossible, just that no game developer will ever do that, because it just takes too long to develop one long stage, let alone many dozens. It takes years and only enthusiasts will drive them, because most of the gamers don't want to drive 20+ mins just a one stage.

Such game won't make them money and that is what businesses are for - to make money.
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This, exactly. Thank you.
 
Stewie Griffin
Guys just get gt6 it will have rallying in it :)
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Sorry Stewie, like Furinkazen said, it'll likely be two or three shortish stages...four if we're lucky plus whatever we create ourselves in Course Creator and of course GT6 will only a portion of the cars.

I liked rally in GT3 and 4 - Chamonix was good in GT5 and I have some killer course creator Liége stages...but the physics in GT5 were not up to par with WRC3 - most noticeably with the group B cars.

I'll play rally in GT6 and doubtless enjoy it - but for that real visceral kick, I'll be sticking with WRC3 and 4 - give it a go, I'm sure you'll love it if you like rally.

MildAshers, I wasn't sure if the tracks were fantasy based on reality, or not - just a guess on my part really. I didn't mean to imply that they were pure fantasy. I felt the change from 1 and 2 to 3 for some of the locations did give that impression, as with 1 and 2 they felt more like the real thing (naturally minus a lot of the true length) and 3 seemed to go with a somewhat creative amalgam with plenty of local flavour.

Of course, they could be different rally stages from those represented in the first two games. I suppose I shouldn't have guessed out loud though, especially as I've never been to a true rally in my life :) I just enjoy driving the games, not going to the real thing. Apologies all therefore and I hope that has cleared up what I meant to say.

EDIT: and I agree, that full stages won't likely make an appearance due to the length - 40km plus would only appeal to the diehards (and me) but I do understand that the game wouldn't survive in that form.
 
That's fine I jumped the gun on the comment a bit :) I understand what you mean, I think they are using creative license for sure as with most rally games of previous. Unlike the CMR games of course though they need to try and be faithful as much as possible to the rally.

Looking forward to non repeating stages.
 
No probs :) like i said, I wasn't being wholly clear.

Looking forward to non repeating stages.
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Me too - maybe they are trying this out with the new Rally Deutschland stages as a trial, or maybe more will have this.

Alan should be reporting in as in the vid, he gave the impression that he will or has a demo copy already. Quite likely as the game is practically upon us (well, compared to GT6 it is :))
 
Some more clarity about the changes in WRC4 - the article covers the same points mentioned in the clip.

H box xhifter and 900 degree support for those who wanted it - plus some good news on the sound and stage fronts.

Team VVV interview
 
I hope to be WRC 4 in WRC 3 skin, like enormous DLC on Disc with new cover and price 👍
 
PaullyS
Career mode is sounding pretty sweet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAgGpxuiId0
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Thanks for the link. I saw that Andreas character's review of GT6 also - he never seems to get excited, does he...?

Okay, rally isn't his scene but there was some good info there. No night racing but different times of day and random weather - I'll take that. I don't think the career mode is much different from WRC3 though, but we'll see when we get it, because they have tried small changes each time.

A bit worrying that they only mentioned the EU for release. I thought after WRC3 they'd be doing the worldwide release this time - unless it's coming later, like last time.
 
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MeanElf
Thanks for the link. I saw that Andreas character's review of GT6 also - he never seems to get excited, does he...?

Okay, rally isn't his scene but there was some good info there. No night racing but different times of day and random weather - I'll take that. I don't think the career mode is much different from WRC3 though, but we'll see when we get it, because they have tried small changes each time.

A bit worrying that they only mentioned the EU for release. I thought after WRC3 they'd be doing the worldwide release this time - unless it's coming later, like last time.
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The career mode has always sort of annoyed me. It's cool to a point but when I look at the career modes in the SBK games, particularly Generations, and MotoGP. Would be cool if the career mode was, start in JWRC and work up to WRC instead of mucking about with making a team and stuff. Which I get some people like but some people also just wanna drive the official series' bottom to top.

Random weather is a good addition that was sorely missed.
 
MildAshers
The career mode has always sort of annoyed me. It's cool to a point but when I look at the career modes in the SBK games, particularly Generations, and MotoGP. Would be cool if the career mode was, start in JWRC and work up to WRC instead of mucking about with making a team and stuff. Which I get some people like but some people also just wanna drive the official series' bottom to top.

Random weather is a good addition that was sorely missed.
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👍👍👍
 
MildAshers
The career mode has always sort of annoyed me. It's cool to a point but when I look at the career modes in the SBK games, particularly Generations, and MotoGP. Would be cool if the career mode was, start in JWRC and work up to WRC instead of mucking about with making a team and stuff. Which I get some people like but some people also just wanna drive the official series' bottom to top.

Random weather is a good addition that was sorely missed.
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I was really annoyed by wrc 3s career mode. They had all the wrc licences but you couldn't play in any of the series.
 
Precisely, the only way to do it was to pick a driver and do a 1 off championship. I have been addicted to MotoGP13 because of its awesome career mode, WRC3 fell flat. I hope 4 can improve on this aspect. If it does, its a winner.
 
MildAshers
Really? I loved it to bits. 5 seasons completed :p
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I'm sure I'd have loved it, but I just couldn't control the damn bike in any way that made sense. I did muck about with settings on the demo, but just had no joy.

Ah well, I'll stick to rally - happy enough with that.
 
There seems to be a lot of hate out there for this game - on the facebook page for example. I think it's looking really good and I really enjoyed WRC3. Why is there so much hostility?
 

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