WTF! GT4 is NOT online
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askia47
Yes, I use Xbox connect which is similar and I can play LAN games with people in Europe, Australia and the US, Gran Turismo 4 should be the same as Hajaz works with the xlink guys I think and he said it will work if it has LAN and it does...
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The359
Sony have had plenty of time to improve the situation up to now (Kaz has been complaining for well over a year), and still three months till release, GT4 was one of the most important games for Sony and their online plans, this move leaves many of those plans dead in the water.
To suggest that Sony couldnt or wouldnt have implemented changes to their network is BS, Sony desperately knows it needs to improve its online gaming, in preparation for the next Generation.
Microsoft are curently leading the way and as more and more people realise the importance of online game especially in the next GEN, in the future those customers will look to the console with a proven track record, Sony is relying on its big hitters to get its online community built, sadly they consistantly fall by the way side.
If it was just a question of Sonys network, they would have pulled out all the stops to improve it ages ago.
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- JDA1982
You make a good point about people looking at what we have now to make decisions in the future. People may see PS3 and XB2 coming out and say, the XB had much better online than PS3, and that could damage PS3 sales by quite a big bit. As for the network, it's not been done well enough to handle games that have a lot going on behing the scenec like GT4. To update a whole netwrok is a pretty large task, and when loads of networks in different countries involved can take a frustratingly large ammount of time and effort. Ofcourse Sony are the fools at the end of the day for not having a good enough network in the first place and for over hyping GT4's online, which left poor KY having to try and get rid of that hype by playing down the online.
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It has always been about the Time Trials for me anyway. Beating that previous perfect lap and then watching the replay. With GT4 the combinations of cars and tracks in this mode alone will be enormus and will look the best ever. With the new editions B-Spec,Drift,Photo mode I really couldn't care about the online side of it being deleated. Like Live said I'd rather have GT4 before Christmas than wait possibly another year for a mode than I never really cared for anyway.
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The359
For the beta version zilch.
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The359Wait, if it's a Beta then that means there isn't a huge load of people on it. No wonder there is no lag...
7 thousand hogging the servers
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You Brits are lucky, here in Canada we'll never get WRC4 nor CMR4 nor Richard Burns Rally,tiptopcreamIts up to par now... WRC4 supports 16 players online at the same time on Sony's servers, PD have come up with a feeble excuse saying Europe and Japan is weak, yet everyone who goes online needs broadband in these regions. Its laziness or they can't code net code for toffee.
we are stuck with Nascar and IRL niche sims and Stallone junk ( Driven ) . Man it's depressing.
So, to answer the post: It's not important for me to play GT4 online . All I want is to get that sim for Christmas.
I dislike Microsoft ( I'm a Linux fanatic ) but it looks like they have a better online access for the Xbox than Sony.
Why should I need to play online, I'm so bad that it will take me 6 months cursing in the loneliness of my living room just to get the gold B license
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Damn news spread out quickly.......this is seriously a dissapointment to me, cuzz i got cable internet just to play this game....and i know this is also a dissapointment to most ppl, but there trying to hide the truth that its not a really big problem...cuz it is...after 6 yrs of GT series, im very dissapointed that it's not going online :*( I seriously did cry when i found out this news, cuzz i really do love GT
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- JMarine25
Damn it to freaking hell! That's what the hell is wrong with some of you people. You let a little thing like online play determine what makes games great. In terms of games I played, did GTA: Vice City (PS2) have online play? No, but still a great game. Did Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution have online play? No, but still a great game. You CANNOT determine great games from good games by looking at silly multiplay. I think it's very nice to battle opponents that aren't AI by telling someone who thinks he/she can play better than you. And who wouldn't want to see GT4 players from two different sides of the world taking on each other in wicked races? You're going to get LAN play with this build, and the last time I checked... THAT'S STILL MULTIPLAYER! LAN is online play, even if you are in Los Angeles and wanting to play someone in Sydney, Australia. You want to compensate for this? Why not gather up a bunch of friends and come up with your little neighborhood battle. Then, you may want to branch out to playing against all great players in your cities. GTPlanet, DO NOT be afraid to improvise. I've been up S*** Creek several times in my life. When I have something that is less than stellar, I try to improvise and turn junk into gold.
And on the subject of AI, play around with "Pro Race Driver" and try to win every race. That's the worst-case scenario for racing game AI. Multiplay is fun, but don't tell me that this is going to determine what makes this game a failure. Don't tell me that Polyphony Digital failed to live up to expectations. Don't tell me that the most anticipated racing game in history is going to be second-best to some other game because of no online play. Besides, PD did everything in their power to try to get GT4 into stores come Hell or high water. Be thankful you're getting GT4 even if you only get 12 cars and the Nurburgring Nordschliefe. Hello!? GT4 will feature Photo Mode, a brand-new physics engine, cars of now and going back to 1886, many new tracks, damn-near-real graphics... and all you can tell me is that all that matters is online play? Some of you need to get your priorities straight. Why did you love GTs 1, 2, and 3? You wanted cars, tracks, features, graphics, and all sorts of things. If online play was around at the debut of the PlayStation2 and GT3 had online play instead of i-Link, GT3 would probably be loved more for online play because no one would give a damn about the single player experience. And since we'll all have to wait for the online mode to be in GT4, it doesn't mean the world is coming to an end because this year's iteration of GT4 will not have online play broader than a LAN. It just means that you'll get GT4 even if you don't give a crap about GT4's single player experience. A game has to be good on its own before you challenge the world. It's always been that way, even to this day. That's why I'm not as hyped up about online play. So I'm with The359 on this one. Oh, and say what you want about me. I don't care. I'm just sharing my views as anyone else would. Think I'm whipping up crap, ignore me and move on in life. Anyhow, points stated, and I'm done here after unintentionally saying more than I have to on a normal basis.
And on the subject of AI, play around with "Pro Race Driver" and try to win every race. That's the worst-case scenario for racing game AI. Multiplay is fun, but don't tell me that this is going to determine what makes this game a failure. Don't tell me that Polyphony Digital failed to live up to expectations. Don't tell me that the most anticipated racing game in history is going to be second-best to some other game because of no online play. Besides, PD did everything in their power to try to get GT4 into stores come Hell or high water. Be thankful you're getting GT4 even if you only get 12 cars and the Nurburgring Nordschliefe. Hello!? GT4 will feature Photo Mode, a brand-new physics engine, cars of now and going back to 1886, many new tracks, damn-near-real graphics... and all you can tell me is that all that matters is online play? Some of you need to get your priorities straight. Why did you love GTs 1, 2, and 3? You wanted cars, tracks, features, graphics, and all sorts of things. If online play was around at the debut of the PlayStation2 and GT3 had online play instead of i-Link, GT3 would probably be loved more for online play because no one would give a damn about the single player experience. And since we'll all have to wait for the online mode to be in GT4, it doesn't mean the world is coming to an end because this year's iteration of GT4 will not have online play broader than a LAN. It just means that you'll get GT4 even if you don't give a crap about GT4's single player experience. A game has to be good on its own before you challenge the world. It's always been that way, even to this day. That's why I'm not as hyped up about online play. So I'm with The359 on this one. Oh, and say what you want about me. I don't care. I'm just sharing my views as anyone else would. Think I'm whipping up crap, ignore me and move on in life. Anyhow, points stated, and I'm done here after unintentionally saying more than I have to on a normal basis.
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- RRoDzaaah!
Calm down, John. I never seen you yell before.
The people who say GT4 is going to be a bad game are the people who have never played GT to it's fullest. They most likely went into Arcade mode, selected a Skyline, and went of on their merry way. They cannot appreciate what will be included in GT4. Sometimes, what is included in a game gets lost in the moan-fest of what is not included.
GT isn't a cheap thrill whore. It is a beautiful, intelligent woman.
I'm glad an online element will not be included. Those who moaned and whined about online not being in would have been the people most likely to have ruined the online experience for the serious GT drivers.
The people who say GT4 is going to be a bad game are the people who have never played GT to it's fullest. They most likely went into Arcade mode, selected a Skyline, and went of on their merry way. They cannot appreciate what will be included in GT4. Sometimes, what is included in a game gets lost in the moan-fest of what is not included.
GT isn't a cheap thrill whore. It is a beautiful, intelligent woman.
I'm glad an online element will not be included. Those who moaned and whined about online not being in would have been the people most likely to have ruined the online experience for the serious GT drivers.
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so basically...
Be thankful that you're even GETTING a new Gran Turismo game you unworthy peasants. Nobody is forcing you to buy it, so they can do whatever the **** they please.
Never mind the fact that you are going to put money in Sony's pockets for the game and the subsequent "expansion". They don't need to work harder than they want to, they don't need to raise expectations or raise any bars. They've already done that on the PSX. Now it's time to let the cash roll in because GT fans WILL buy the new one, without a doubt.
They put the nurburgring in it, and some new cars, so it's already a ten, right?
What a disgusting attitude.
Be thankful that you're even GETTING a new Gran Turismo game you unworthy peasants. Nobody is forcing you to buy it, so they can do whatever the **** they please.
Never mind the fact that you are going to put money in Sony's pockets for the game and the subsequent "expansion". They don't need to work harder than they want to, they don't need to raise expectations or raise any bars. They've already done that on the PSX. Now it's time to let the cash roll in because GT fans WILL buy the new one, without a doubt.
They put the nurburgring in it, and some new cars, so it's already a ten, right?
What a disgusting attitude.
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- JMarine25
I'm cool, Viper Zero. It's just that I think people are liking GT4 for a secondary aspect rather than the game itself, so that's why I was P.O. ed about it. To me, I just think that I've been into GT4 since getting Gran Turismo 1 in... 1998 or 1999. Since then, I've loved the series, and I'm not backing down. And even with all the features and pictures I've seen since being a GTPlanet member, I don't want to put behind nearly two years of wanting to know more about GT4. I just feel that my credibility as a GT fan is being threatened all because I come on to GTPlanet to share my love of Gran Turismo, and with online play not coming in the most recent build, it's not destroying my interest in GT. I've been more of a loner in my life since starting high school, so I'm cool playing GT solo. I guess that's just me, Viper Zero. I'm normally kind of soft about things, but I haven't snapped. If I completely melted down, I'd be protested against and ignored. All I'm trying to do is that while online play won't be a possibility this year, I'm keeping my interests on something more important- GT4. I mean, we haven't forgotten what GT4 will provide more than making PS2 Network Adapter users happy, have we? That's been my point, and I feel sometimes that we're neglecting what GT4 has to offer other than online play. That's just me. So if I sounded like I totally snapped, John of Houston, TX, USA is all good. Ain't no thang but a chicken wang, you feel me player?
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they can work as hard as they want creating more and prettier versions of cars and tracks, but that still doesn't mean they have their priorities in the right place.
Like I said, think about all the things that were just plain wrong with previous GTs, and try to fix AT LEAST SOME OF THEM. The glaring A.I. issues for one. Maybe the total lack of damage. How about niggling details that are inexplicably left out. The Audio, the number of cars on track... etc. There are so many things they could address, but they feel their formula is best. Hey it's their game, it's their decision.
the game was already beautiful, but it's time to take some bigger steps.
With all the available info currently available on GT4, they might as well call GT4 "Gran Turismo: Placeholder"
btw: This is all just me. You can completely disagree or flame me all you want, but forums are there for discussion, not unanimous approval. If we don't just settle for what they dish out, maybe somebody out there will have to the balls to make a game for their fans. Netkar is a good example. I am not really critisizing GT4, per se, but am more or less infuriated with bull**** press releases about Kaz and his bloody perfectionism. Sounds just like a big ego trip to me.
Like I said, think about all the things that were just plain wrong with previous GTs, and try to fix AT LEAST SOME OF THEM. The glaring A.I. issues for one. Maybe the total lack of damage. How about niggling details that are inexplicably left out. The Audio, the number of cars on track... etc. There are so many things they could address, but they feel their formula is best. Hey it's their game, it's their decision.
the game was already beautiful, but it's time to take some bigger steps.
With all the available info currently available on GT4, they might as well call GT4 "Gran Turismo: Placeholder"
btw: This is all just me. You can completely disagree or flame me all you want, but forums are there for discussion, not unanimous approval. If we don't just settle for what they dish out, maybe somebody out there will have to the balls to make a game for their fans. Netkar is a good example. I am not really critisizing GT4, per se, but am more or less infuriated with bull**** press releases about Kaz and his bloody perfectionism. Sounds just like a big ego trip to me.
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kinigitt
1) AI has gradually improved with ever generation of GT. If you hadn't noticed that, you haven't been paying attention and your comment is useless
2) Manufacturers wont allow damage. Would you rather we get damage or keep manufacturers?
3) Audio already improved on GT4, many people have confirmed this
4) More cars on track is not an "improvement", it's a preference. Would you rather have just 1 opposition?
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As the creator of the GT game genre, I think that its safe to say that KYs priorities are in the right place. (look at the poll)PDs priority is to create a real driving simulator with as many realistically modelled cars and tracks as possible, not an online racing game
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The359
1) It has not improved drastically, and it has remained pitiful. Thus, not a notable improvement.
2) Many manufacturers do allow damage, this is baloney. Some may not. Those should be implemented without until they can find a way around.
3) I am hoping you are right, since the vids available for GT4 do not stack up favourably with the competition.
4) Preference? I guess any sanctioned races with more than 6 participants just "prefer" to have more, right?
Maybe somebody else should take over. I am very open to rational debate, since I can be very wrong, but you'll just have to do better than that.
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Samberto
More isn't always better, unless the foundation is strong enough to allow it. If the driving experience alone is enough to balance it out, then no online play is a small sacrifice to pay.
I've only been able to watch videos and read interviews with KY. I havent had the pleasure of playing Prologue. Maybe the handling and immersion is so much better that any complaints about previous games are washed away. I just wish they could fix current problems before tackling bigger obstacles (i.e. more more more)
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kinigitt
Then you haven't been paying attention, and your point is moot.
So you're saying we should drop manufacturers just for damage? Brilliant...
How many downloaded internet vids have good sound?
How many video games have over 20 cars on track at one time? It's KY's preference to have 6.
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