That's a good point. It would be a weird feeling keeping a nearly constant RPM on the engine, but accelerating at a violent rate. Just got to get used to it I guess
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That's a good point. It would be a weird feeling keeping a nearly constant RPM on the engine, but accelerating at a violent rate. Just got to get used to it I guess
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Don't want to be 20 stone plus driving this do you??? 
I think you'd want to be asking one of the twelve year old, six stone boys in this one.
Headline: Seven year old three stone weaking breaks course record at the Nurburgring.
Tooooo many smileys I know.
I think you'd want to be asking one of the twelve year old, six stone boys in this one.
Headline: Seven year old three stone weaking breaks course record at the Nurburgring.
Tooooo many smileys I know.
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That's a good point. It would be a weird feeling keeping a nearly constant RPM on the engine, but accelerating at a violent rate. Just got to get used to it I guess
Coulthard explaining ( somewhat ) using a CVT transmission in a Williams F1 car.
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No wonder the press called it the batmobile
The Citroen GT?
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Indeed, this in just an interesting age old discussion of how a racing car would look or drive without any restricting regulations and finally we not only see how it could look like but we can even drive it.
It is an engineer's wet dream realised fully with one exception, it isn't real.
So what? Happened before in a GT-game, at least now they've got one of the best and most respected real life racing car designer to design it.
It's not like a fantasy car by a company making trainers..........
That one does exist, they build only one but still.
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I know, it was just an example.
I wasn't referring to your post my friend, I only read it after I posted mine, pure coincidence.
And yes, I didn't like that Nike car much, interesting concept but a far too cynical marketing opportunity for my taste.
No, they were planning to build a series of 5 or 6 to actually sell but I believe they cancelled it for now at least, only one exists.
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RebBull is dominating in pure speed this year with more downforce than anyone else and still have the time to develop that, damn. I wonder if they did a real size version for the wind tunnel or it's all simulation work. With a turbine it's like an hommage to NFS1's hidden car.
Its not what I was expecting... I was expecting some mutant F1 car, but this is just intense! And anyone saying its not a real car isnt giving the designers much credit. How do you think RedBull knows its brand new areo kit is going to be faster than the last one before they have even tested it? THEY FREAKIN DESIGN IT ON A COMPUTER! If anyone has any doubts about whether this would or wouldnt work in reality is kidding themselves.
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Maybe not be a full scale model but it wouldn't surprise me they build a model using a smaller scale ( 1:2 or 1:3 or similar ) to actually test it in the wind tunnel although it may not be strictly necessary ( being a car purely designed for a game ).
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I'm just worrying about the car itself and how Newey connected all the fictional technology, made it work, knew the acceleration and sound levels. It astounds me how they did that. I do worry what happens when crashing, the car looks fragile from what I see, I doubt a 300km/h collisionis good in something with a gas turbine. I'm also still wondering of the suspension, how in the world can it with stand the forces being exerted on the components? God if I ever meet Kazunori one day, well, he'd better be ready for a long discussion.
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CFD is no replacement for the WindTunnel. Even Adrian Newey said this. And RedBull's current F1 car is not dominating in pure speed, that title would go to McLaren, or maybe even Force India, their top speeds are much higher than the RedBull RB6. The RB6 is good with Aero grip, which means they can take turns much better than midfield teams. If you look at the data, Red Bull has better apex speed than the other cars, which translates to aero efficiency, their car produces a lot of downforce, but it's not so fast on the straights because of this (and the power of the Renault engine). I don't think that if every team had the opportunity to make an all out car they'd choose to make this X1. This is just Adrian Newey's idea of what would be the ultimate car. In Reality, the Group C cars were faster than F1 cars of their day. Making 1200hp in some cases, like the Nissan R92CP's turbo V8. The thing about today is tires are better, more grip less wear. They can provide better braking, cornering, acceleration etc. Put a group C car on modern tires and let it run with 1200HP and make all the downforce it wants like in the past, they'll cream F1 cars. Why? Aero efficiency. The Sauber C9 is a good case, as is the Porsche 959 and 962. Those were the ultimate cars.
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I don't think the technology used is fictional, he just combined a lot of things which already exists but aren't allowed to be used in any racing series, let alone F1.
New technology, older ideas ( that fan at the back for example or CVT ) which got banned all combined to create something which could be made theoretically.
He just calculated and designed a real car, it just doesn't get build, that's all.
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Sort of, the car will not go up & down gears with the revs changing (because it doesn't have gears) the car will be more like the Citroen gt in prologue but without the lack of power at certain rpm, imagine the car as always being in the right gear. (cvt in a real car it's a very strange feeling and takes some getting used to ) most popular form of cvt is a moped / scooter so that should give an idea but obviously not with a 2strroke 50cc engine sound
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Yeah, I remember when they put fans on cars. Horrible times. Although the gas turbine is strange, but so practical, anyone remember that Lotus GP car with the gas turbine? And now Jaguar thinking of producing a car with a turbine? Whooo-ee!
Although building it would look stupid, I really think that RB/PD could have looked better doing it. Oh well, Gran Turismo's real enough for moi.
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Because it has an unconventional engine, (or unconventional mean to transmit power) it doesnt mean that grip will be affect by it.
Actually, with this X-1, it lays ground work for future references and potentially future of motorsport racing.
He may have started drawing the X-1 with pen, pencils and papers...
(who knows for sure?) but eventually his idea have to be translated and refined, and detailed on the computer... the engineering/mechanical/aerodynamic designs are for sure decided based on the calculations from the computers, which then are given to PD/Kaz to feature on our favorite (delayed) game.
Please you would be a fool to believe such romanticized scenario that Newey still design fully from A to Z with Pen and Papers
Imagine Kaz doing that... actually with such a delay, he might do it and doing as well...
The X-1 is a real car, it went through the same type of engineering design work that any serious new car design would. It's just not in production (yet) because there is no use for it, and no finance for it.
The X-1 is the anticipated solution to a near-future need/want.
GT5 is so real, that it take real car of the future right to the game before everyone does..
So you are a bit
for not seeing the X-1 properly, you are not doing justice to the car, the game, the effort from Newey and Kaz.
All Simulation work, nowadays, you can pretty much design everything on computer and it will be as close to reality...
A real life size version/model/prototype would only confirm those principles or at least point out things that you have not already foreseen.
I dont think the turbine was an hommage to anything at all...
The turbine was the most fit engineering solution to a problem, and the fact that it was featured in NFS1 as hidden car, can only mean one thing:
that the turbine is really is the expected solution for the car of the future, for both the developers of NFS1 back then, as it is for Newey.
You are confusing your self... with ground effect keeping the car, and together with gravity (during low speed) grip is grip...
Because it has an unconventional engine, (or unconventional mean to transmit power) it doesnt mean that grip will be affect by it.
It was an exclusive project between RedBull and PD. It was not supposed to be information shared to the outside. That design is being patented, I am pretty sure of that 👍
Those data are based on, and are from real engineering work/design.
Fictional at this point... but eventually in the future, real life will imitate GT5.
Actually, with this X-1, it lays ground work for future references and potentially future of motorsport racing.
He may have started drawing the X-1 with pen, pencils and papers...
(who knows for sure?) but eventually his idea have to be translated and refined, and detailed on the computer... the engineering/mechanical/aerodynamic designs are for sure decided based on the calculations from the computers, which then are given to PD/Kaz to feature on our favorite (delayed) game.
Please you would be a fool to believe such romanticized scenario that Newey still design fully from A to Z with Pen and Papers
Imagine Kaz doing that... actually with such a delay, he might do it and doing as well...
You have no idea what the X-1 is supposed to be do you?
The X-1 is a real car, it went through the same type of engineering design work that any serious new car design would. It's just not in production (yet) because there is no use for it, and no finance for it.
The X-1 is the anticipated solution to a near-future need/want.
GT5 is so real, that it take real car of the future right to the game before everyone does..
So you are a bit
for not seeing the X-1 properly, you are not doing justice to the car, the game, the effort from Newey and Kaz.All Simulation work, nowadays, you can pretty much design everything on computer and it will be as close to reality...
A real life size version/model/prototype would only confirm those principles or at least point out things that you have not already foreseen.
I dont think the turbine was an hommage to anything at all...
The turbine was the most fit engineering solution to a problem, and the fact that it was featured in NFS1 as hidden car, can only mean one thing:
that the turbine is really is the expected solution for the car of the future, for both the developers of NFS1 back then, as it is for Newey.
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That macine is insane, and to think that so far it has bettered an F1 car on Suzuka by 20seconds is amazing especially considering how insane an F1 car is!!
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Think of it as an airplane that only sticks to the ground, an airplane that cannot fly...
much like what a penguin is to birds... so how fast it is or better yet a chicken - 701
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Think of it as an airplane that only sticks to the ground, an airplane that cannot fly...
The X1 'Penguin'!
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He may have started drawing the X-1 with pen, pencils and papers...
(who knows for sure?) but eventually his idea have to be translated and refined, and detailed on the computer... the engineering/mechanical/aerodynamic designs are for sure decided based on the calculations from the computers, which then are given to PD/Kaz to feature on our favorite (delayed) game.
Please you would be a fool to believe such romanticized scenario that Newey still design fully from A to Z with Pen and Papers
I didn't say the X1 or the RedBullRacing F1 cars or previous cars designed by Newey haven't been through all sorts of computer programs to calculate and test each aspect before something gets actually made as there's a whole team of engineers surrounding him but Newey himself doesn't use any computer program like CAD or similar but still draws the design of a new car on a drawing board first ( and in quite some detail too, full technical drawings not some loose sketches ).
Romanticized? Nope, he's perhaps indeed the last of a dying breed still preferring an old school approach and it actually works for him so why change?
Some people just think better and clearer using the methods they always used before, the results he comes up with using this method are far from old school though.
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