1.05 Satisfaction Poll

[LVracerGT]

@jimipitbull is there an Australian version of the tea party? If there is you should consider running as their leader, you have a great talent for taking irrelevant numbers and topics and twisting them to sound legitimate.

Back on topic, if you're a reasonable person and actually know how to decipher a poll properly, the numbers seem to be slowly stretching towards "no."

@Vagabond, your comment about would you be able to tell us how much the traffic to GTP has slowed down since GT6 and the 1.05 update? It would be interesting to see.

I am.

It's a minor update, as evidenced by the fact it's a 0.01 increment from the last. It contained minor functionality changes that improved aspects of gameplay (some more significant than others, depending on your point of view).

Would I have preferred a more major 0.1 update containing Course Maker, B-Spec or some larger functionality changes? Yep, but from the time this was announced as a 0.01 update I knew what to expect - and it actually exceeded my expectations.

You don't expect new tracks with a hotfix and you shouldn't expect new features with a minor update. If you don't let your expectations carry you away, PD won't commit the terrible sin of failing to meet them.

Of course it'd have helped a bit if it hadn't been teased to be with us much earlier than it was, but that's just normal PR/Dev info mismatching.

I agree with your assessment of the incremental update vs a more hefty one with the version number, however I believe it's the fact that all we got was a .01 incremental update 3 months after release with the teaser of the new track and no added promised features why people are unhappy. Fully understandable IMO.

 

[Agent_47]

Why does it take so long for PD to implement stuff? Is their team made of 3 people or something?

 

[TokoTurismo]

@jimipitbull is there an Australian version of the tea party? If there is you should consider running as their leader, you have a great talent for taking irrelevant numbers and topics and twisting them to sound legitimate.

No offence to @jimipitbull, because I enjoy reading his posts. I'm going to be honest, I chuckled at this quote.

Why does it take so long for PD to implement stuff? Is their team made of 3 people or something?

Yes.
















Just kidding.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

I voted no. because I hated B-spec mode in GT5, then after months of ignoring it, I fell in love with it and I really thought it would be in GT6 by now.

No offence to @jimipitbull, because I enjoy reading his posts. I'm going to be honest, I chuckled at this quote.

Yes.
















Just kidding. (..I think)

FIXED!

 

[Famine]

I agree with your assessment of the incremental update vs a more hefty one with the version number, however I believe it's the fact that all we got was a .01 incremental update 3 months after release with the teaser of the new track and no added promised features why people are unhappy. Fully understandable IMO.

Yes and no.

There has been no deadline set for the "promised features"* and no announcement made for any individual feature - combined with the fact it was a minor update, expecting unannounced major features to be included is unrealistic. It's the fourth minor update to the game in those three months - so we're doing reasonably well for support.

The problem seems to stem from overwhelming anticipation caused by remarks attributable to an individual at SCEA giving a schedule in passing that has never been corroborated by any other member of SCEA, SCEE or SCEI or put in writing anywhere (which would be the same thing, since Sony handles the publicity and PR).

Yes, it's understandable that people would expect the game to deliver Zahara in February when the information suggests that, but without it being backed up by an official announcement it's not reasonable to expect it to turn up in February, much less so in a minor update. When v1.05 was announced (the day before we got it), reasonable would have been to think "Minor update, so minor things", not to post "IF WE DON'T GET ZAHARA I'M POSTING MY POO TO KAZUNORI" on the GTP blog.


To reiterate, like everyone else I'd quite like these features to turn up before too long, but I can't be dissatisfied with the contents of a minor update being minor - and useful. Yes, it's a bit of a *sigh* when it's announced as a hole-plugger, not a feature-adder but there's nothing wrong with v1.05 (unless it added something bad I haven't encountered yet).


*"Update - These features will be implemented in future updates.", says the GT official website about B-Spec, GPS, data logger, course maker, community features, 3D support and mobile phone support.

 

[LVracerGT]

No offence to @jimipitbull, because I enjoy reading his posts. I'm going to be honest, I chuckled at this quote.

I don't have time to quote and respond to all of his posts while I'm at work so I thought that about summed it up

Yes and no.

There has been no deadline set for the "promised features"* and no announcement made for any individual feature - combined with the fact it was a minor update, expecting unannounced major features to be included is unrealistic. It's the fourth minor update to the game in those three months - so we're doing reasonably well for support.

The problem seems to stem from overwhelming anticipation caused by remarks attributable to an individual at SCEA giving a schedule in passing that has never been corroborated by any other member of SCEA, SCEE or SCEI or put in writing anywhere (which would be the same thing, since Sony handles the publicity and PR).

Yes, it's understandable that people would expect the game to deliver Zahara in February when the information suggests that, but without it being backed up by an official announcement it's not reasonable to expect it to turn up in February, much less so in a minor update. When v1.05 was announced (the day before we got it), reasonable would have been to think "Minor update, so minor things", not to post "IF WE DON'T GET ZAHARA I'M POSTING MY POO TO KAZUNORI" on the GTP blog.

To reiterate, like everyone else I'd quite like these features to turn up before too long, but I can't be dissatisfied with the contents of a minor update being minor - and useful. Yes, it's a bit of a *sigh* when it's announced as a hole-plugger, not a feature-adder but there's nothing wrong with v1.05 (unless it added something bad I haven't encountered yet).

*"Update - These features will be implemented in future updates.", says the GT official website about B-Spec, GPS, data logger, course maker, community features, 3D support and mobile phone support.

Yes, but when you rely heavily on those yet unreleased features for advertising the game thus driving sales and have 3 full months go by with nothing but a teased track (which missed it's target date, given by a Sony employee) and the small updates we do get ingore broken features such as camber adjustments, people lose patience and trust. Not to mention the most recent update added back some features that were present in GT5 and have no explanation why they weren't there in the first place.

IIRC 1.05 broke the weather settings.

 

[eSZee]

I am.

It's a minor update, as evidenced by the fact it's a 0.01 increment from the last. It contained minor functionality changes that improved aspects of gameplay (some more significant than others, depending on your point of view).

Would I have preferred a more major 0.1 update containing Course Maker, B-Spec or some larger functionality changes? Yep, but from the time this was announced as a 0.01 update I knew what to expect - and it actually exceeded my expectations.

Going by that, shouldn't update 1.01 have been called 1.1? It was more than just minor changes. It enabled online functionality, open lobbies, seasonals, added career events(I think), new rewards, message box menu thing.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Overall yes I am happy. I had 0 expectations with the update and this has a fair amount of improvements.
I can understand where people with huge expectations would be disappointed, but I am okay with this update. It might also have something to do with the fact that I just bought this game about a week ago. For those that have had it several months, I can see some of the frustration of expecting more from the update. I always keep my expectations low. Especially with PD.

 

[Famine]

Yes, but when you rely heavily on those yet unreleased features for advertising the game thus driving sales

Who ever bought something for what it doesn't do yet?

and have 3 full months go by with nothing but a teased track

Are we including the free cars, four updates and complete game economy readjustment (in gamers' favour) in that nothing?

(which missed it's target date, given by a Sony employee)

It missed the (pretty broad) target date given uncorroborated by an SCEA employee. I've not been told what the target date for the track is or was to know whether it missed it - but with no announcements we can't say any official dates were given.

Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, I bet that guy's feeling a bit sheepish and probably a bit angry that he thought he was throwing us a bone and circumstances beyond his control made him look silly. I bet next time he won't throw us a bone and we'll be back to people complaining about how little information "PD" (by which they mean Sony) give out.

and the small updates we do get ingore broken features such as camber adjustments, people lose patience and trust.

Oh I'm sure. But no small part of that is unrealistic expectations.

Expecting every single future update feature in a minor patch is unrealistic. Even expecting one of them is unrealistic. Of course, should it actually happen that way it'd be marvellous and the update would exceed expectations - though it would then set the bar high for expectations of what v1.06 would bring.

IIRC 1.05 broke the weather settings.

I've not read about that yet - but then I've not spent much time in the GT6 forums recently.

Going by that, shouldn't update 1.01 have been called 1.1?

I wouldn't rush to disagree with that, though I suspect it more "unlocked" features that had been hurriedly squirreled away to allow them two months more working time after the master had been sent off, rather than added them. But yes, I'd be minded to concur with your assessment.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Who ever bought something for what it doesn't do yet?

That's actually how I make a living.

You don't expect new tracks with a hotfix and you shouldn't expect new features with a minor update.

You're looking at it wrong. We didn't expect big changes from a minor update - because we didn't expect a minor update.

With the garbage problems GT6 has had for far more than a month, we expected the lack of updates, hotfixes, or anything from PD meant they were working like dogs (as I expect them to) to fix the problems they've left on our doorstep. Instead, we get this.

 

[Famine]

That's actually how I make a living.

Nnnkay.

You're looking at it wrong. We didn't expect big changes from a minor update - because we didn't expect a minor update.

Why? That was what was announced. Why on Earth would you expect anything else?

 

[merlinrichards]

Why does it take so long for PD to implement stuff? Is their team made of 3 people or something?

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/
Employees:Approx. 110

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Nnnkay.

It's done well for me. High risk High reward.

Why? That was what was announced. Why on Earth would you expect anything else?

You say that like I'm the only one that expected more than a minor update, in which I'll refer you to the poll results on this thread..

 

[Famine]

You say that like I'm the only one that expected more than a minor update, in which I'll refer you to the poll results on this thread..

The poll asks if you are satisfied with the 1.05 update. It doesn't demarcate between satisfaction with the contents of the update and satisfaction with the existence of the update in lieu of a different one, so I'm not wholly sure what looking at the poll results will achieve regarding the question I asked you.

To ask again, since a minor update was all that was announced, why would you not expect a minor update?

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

The poll asks if you are satisfied with the 1.05 update. It doesn't demarcate between satisfaction with the contents of the update and satisfaction with the existence of the update in lieu of a different one, so I'm not wholly sure what looking at the poll results will achieve regarding the question I asked you.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure if you're serious with this one.
This poll is plainly polling whether people are satisfied with what the update has done for the game.
Do you really think LV made a poll regarding the approval rating of "receiving an update"? No. This is about the satisfaction, as to what the update brought to the game.

To ask again, since a minor update was all that was announced, why would you not expect a minor update?

Like I've already stated, we didn't expect a minor update. Before they announced a minor update, we were looking for a large update. Simple as that. They gave us some more features on a broken game.

You can put lipstick on a pig, and guess what... It's still a pig.

 

[merlinrichards]

a update is a update, big or small, as long as they keep coming im happy . im hoping that when the gt5 severs get moved over there will be a 'major' update a few hours long and we finally get our GT6. 👍

 

[LVracerGT]

Are we including the free cars, four updates and complete game economy readjustment (in gamers' favour) in that nothing?It missed the (pretty broad) target date given uncorroborated by an SCEA employee. I've not been told what the target date for the track is or was to know whether it missed it - but with no announcements we can't say any official dates were given.

Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, I bet that guy's feeling a bit sheepish and probably a bit angry that he thought he was throwing us a bone and circumstances beyond his control made him look silly. I bet next time he won't throw us a bone and we'll be back to people complaining about how little information "PD" (by which they mean Sony) give out.Oh I'm sure. But no small part of that is unrealistic expectations.

Expecting every single future update feature in a minor patch is unrealistic. Even expecting one of them is unrealistic. Of course, should it actually happen that way it'd be marvellous and the update would exceed expectations - though it would then set the bar high for expectations of what v1.06 would bring.I've not read about that yet - but then I've not spent much time in the GT6 forums recently.I wouldn't rush to disagree with that, though I suspect it more "unlocked" features that had been hurriedly squirreled away to allow them two months more working time after the master had been sent off, rather than added them. But yes, I'd be minded to concur with your assessment.

Free cars, sure great. Aside from the BMW M4 and the Hudson Hornet I could care less, that adds nothing to gameplay. Just a couple more cars to drive in the broken game. I personally don't drive the red bulls since they're purely fantasy, and I don't play GT for fantasy, I play GT for realism.

The economy was adjusted because of the outrageously poor credit payouts to try and nudge people towards the even worse micro-transactions. The only part of those early updates I was pleased with was the game breaking aftermarket wheel bug.

The track teaser was corroborated by the Sony employee's comments on when we could expect it. As @Vagabond pointed out earlier, any info like that released has to be cleared by PD and Sony. So it's entirely acceptable to expect it when they told us to expect it.

Again, I don't believe anyone was expecting one of those features to be in such a small patch. It's the fact that we were told said features were coming, and 3 months after full release we still haven't even been given an update on when they're coming. The fact that we got such a small update instead of ANY of the promised features 3 months after is what has people irritated, and rightly so as I explained earlier with PD and Sony leaning heavily on those features to drive anticipation and initial game sales. Couple that with the talk of GT7 coming at the end of this year, and people are wondering why we even purchased GT6. And that is very bad for customer loyalty.

If GT6 sales are already suffering, they're not doing what they need to be doing to gain customer trust and loyalty back, and they will see that reflected when GT7 does come. It will also have a direct effect on PS4 sales seeing that GT has long been a flagship title on PlayStation, even if it is already outselling XboxOne.

This poll is plainly polling whether people are satisfied with what the update has done for the game.
Do you really think LV made a poll regarding the approval rating of "receiving an update"? No. This is about the satisfaction, as to what the update brought to the game.

Exactly this.

To ask again, since a minor update was all that was announced, why would you not expect a minor update?

And this is exactly where your argument is flawed. A minor update was not announced. NOTHING was announced. That's the point. The only heads up we were "given" was a planned server maintenance that led to speculation as to whether an update actually was coming or not, and given the amount of time that has passed since GT6 launched people expected those features and bug fixes which did not come.

 

[TokoTurismo]

FIXED!

lol.

I don't have time to quote and respond to all of his posts while I'm at work so I thought that about summed it up

That was smart of you, haha. 👍

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

@Famine

The poll asks if you are satisfied with the 1.05 update. It doesn't demarcate between satisfaction with the contents of the update and satisfaction with the existence of the update in lieu of a different one

He actually said just that - in the OP.

So, are you happy with the what the update added/revised or annoyed that major bugs are still present and still no promised features and content?

 

[Famine]

I'll be honest, I'm not sure if you're serious with this one.
This poll is plainly polling whether people are satisfied with what the update has done for the game.
Do you really think LV made a poll regarding the approval rating of "receiving an update"? No. This is about the satisfaction, as to what the update brought to the game.

Then I don't see how looking at the results will help me determine your answer to the question "Why on Earth would you expect anything else" than the minor update that was announced.

The update brought a number of minor community improvements and triple monitor support to the game. Is there some way to be dissatisfied with these improvements and the occasionally-requested feature many folk don't really use?

Edit:

He actually said just that - in the OP.

So, are you happy with the what the update added/revised or annoyed that major bugs are still present and still no promised features and content?]

Ah, OK. Well then the above stands - I don't know how this answers the question of why you were expecting, with no announcement, something other than a minor update given that the update version was minor in nature.

The contents of the minor update, as above, were wholly satisfactory for a minor update.

Like I've already stated, we didn't expect a minor update.

Okay, but that was what was announced. Your expectations ought to have been tempered for the contents of a minor update.

Before they announced a minor update, we were looking for a large update. Simple as that.

Okay, but no-one announced that.

And that's the reality of it. We heard nothing from SCE and thus should have expected nothing. When the minor update was announced, we should have expected a minor update. In both cases we would have had our expectations met perfectly. Expecting things that haven't been announced and then acting all cross when the announced thing isn't what you expected isn't really very helpful.

They gave us some more features on a broken game.

Have you tried cleaning the disc?

Free cars, sure great. Aside from the BMW M4 and the Hudson Hornet I could care less, that adds nothing to gameplay.

I'm sure other people quite enjoyed the Corvette and Red Bulls and don't really care for the BMW or Hudson.

The economy was adjusted because of the outrageously poor credit payouts to try and nudge people towards the even worse micro-transactions.

The credit structure was pretty close to identical in v1.00 to the most recent version of GT5 - the notion that it was poor and aimed at pushing people into microtransactions has been debunked.

Of course, now people complain that it is too easy to get money in GT6. It's like you really can't please all the people all the time.

The track teaser was corroborated by the Sony employee's comments on when we could expect it. As @Vagabond pointed out earlier, any info like that released has to be cleared by PD and Sony. So it's entirely acceptable to expect it when they told us to expect it.

And yet with no official announcement, the information is entirely without merit - or at least should be treated as a source rather than a confirmation.

It's amazing to think we're now 15 years down the line with Gran Turismo and people are still not paying attention to the fact that if it's not officially announced by SCE, it's not reliable.

Again, I don't believe anyone was expecting one of those features to be in such a small patch. It's the fact that we were told said features were coming, and 3 months after full release we still haven't even been given an update on when they're coming.

That's correct. So don't expect them until they're announced.

The fact that we got such a small update instead of ANY of the promised features 3 months after is what has people irritated

If they were announced for the update and not delivered, being irritated is justified. They weren't.

It's still fine to be irritated with the state of GT, but not with the update.

and rightly so as I explained earlier with PD and Sony leaning heavily on those features to drive anticipation and initial game sales.

That's swell, but again it comes down to tempering expectations. I bought the game because of what it offered, not because of what it will offer.

Couple that with the talk of GT7 coming at the end of this year, and people are wondering why we even purchased GT6.

I haven't seen any official announcement on this, so I'm not going to pin any expectation on it.

And this is exactly where your argument is flawed. A minor update was not announced. NOTHING was announced.

That's a good point - we got wind of it but there was nothing officially announced before it was released. See what happens when you mix up unofficial news with official news?

That's the point.

It doesn't seem to be - unless your point is that when SCE say nothing and give us an update unannounced it's just as bad as when they say something and don't (which hasn't happened yet).

I thought your point was that when a source claims a deadline and, in the absence of any official information, the deadline passes without any progress, everyone should be ticked with the developer. Mine is that if it's officially announced and you don't get it, bad developer - but if it's not officially announced and you don't get it, bad you.

Feel free to be cross when they say "We'll give you this on this date" and it doesn't happen (see GT4, GT5 release dates), but when they don't and you expect it anyway? Nah.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Then I don't see how looking at the results will help me determine your answer to the question "Why on Earth would you expect anything else" than the minor update that was announced.

I expected the game we paid for to be fixed long before they announced the update.. Do you think I take any information PD puts out regarding GT6 updates/content seriously? I take them with a grain of salt. As should everyone - clearly.

The update brought a number of minor community improvements and triple monitor support to the game. Is there some way to be dissatisfied with these improvements and the occasionally-requested feature many folk don't really use?Okay, but that was what was announced. Your expectations ought to have been tempered for the contents of a minor update.Okay, but no-one announced that.

I understand, you're trying to change my argument to preserve yours and all, but it's not working. I don't think I can recall saying "gosh darnit these new features suck! grrrr" How ever I do believe this is the third time I've stated -it's not what we were after. It's not what we needed. (How ever the triple monitor support pertains to what - 1% of the entirety of Gran Turismo Customers?)

We need the gamebreaking bugs, to be fixed. You can't run a successful series without them effecting you (or better yet rendering it useless). LVracerGT, iamsupernasty, and many other GTAcademy drivers in my group had to cancel the series they had to do a mixture of tire glitches and server problems. It should have been PD's main priority to fix the game back to a state in which the customers who bought a racing game to race on, could actually do so. Rather than giving us small features. I'll give credit where credit is due, I love the new drift trails.

You can break my posts down into 100 quotes and it won't change the fact that stands - the community isn't happy with GT6. As (I believe it was) Vagabond had stated, the traffic on this site is much lower than it was at this time in GT5's life.

You don't need to be on GTP long to really see how pleased the community is with the game. It's unfortunate too, because I love Gran Turismo as a franchise, and too see it shoot itself in the foot like this sucks.

 

[CeeJay]

My contention is PD should absolutely remove any mention of "B-Spec, GPS, data logger, course maker, community features, 3D support and mobile phone support" from retailer websites unless it explicitly states that these features are NOT a part of the game yet. Amazon and Gamestop still list these as features of GT6 with no mention of them still not being available. I'd not argue about what PD has or hasn't promised or who said what but what was used for advertising the game at launch. They have to deliver these things at some point along with fixing the real bugs that still affect gameplay.

I figure as long as PD keeps silent there's always going to be a lot of speculation and disappointment as more patches roll out without anything big truly changing with or being added to the game.

 

[Famine]

My contention is PD should absolutely remove any mention of "B-Spec, GPS, data logger, course maker, community features, 3D support and mobile phone support" from retailer websites unless it explicitly states that these features are NOT a part of the game yet. Amazon and Gamestop still list these as features of GT6 with no mention of them still not being available. I'd not argue about what PD has or hasn't promised or who said what but what was used for advertising the game at launch.

It's a complicated relationship, but ultimately your bugbear is with the retailers - because your contract of sale is with the retailers.

Sony have made it clear from the start that these are features that will arrive in future updates and any retailer selling you a game on the basis that they are extant features is breaking the law. You are within your rights to return the game to them for a full refund.

However, neither PD (who only develop the game - see below) nor SCE can do a thing about it, much less remove it from third party websites.

I expected the game we paid for to be fixed long before they announced the update.

Okay.

I'm aware of an issue regarding camber settings not functioning properly and another that covers rear tyres following a pitstop, but as far as I can make out the broader gameplay seems fine. I've done a lot of online racing - a lot more than I did with GT5, that's for sure! - but I haven't detected any particular brokenness beyond that. I'm sure PD are working on the former issues - they do read the site - but in the absence of information from SCE covering future bugfixes I wouldn't expect any particular update to solve any single given issue.

Do you think I take any information PD puts out regarding GT6 updates/content seriously? I take them with a grain of salt. As should everyone - clearly.

I don't know what information regarding GT6 updates or content has been put out and not been accurate. However, it seems strange to not trust the developers' information but then put great stock in an uncorroborated "you'll have something in February" regarding the Zahara circuit.

That said, on a point of pedantry, it's SCE that releases the information. PD just does the development part - their publishers do all the media and press stuff. The gran-turismo.com sites are all marshalled by SCE (localised by your nearest, friendly SCE department - SCEA for you, SCEE for me).

I understand, you're trying to change my argument to preserve yours and all, but it's not working. I don't think I can recall saying "gosh darnit these new features suck! grrrr" How ever I do believe this is the third time I've stated -it's not what we were after. It's not what we needed. (How ever the triple monitor support pertains to what - 1% of the entirety of Gran Turismo Customers?)

Great, but I don't see how directing me to the poll that doesn't ask that question to answer a separate one helped the conversation.

I asked why you were expecting anything other than a minor update when v1.05 - a minor update by definition - was released. You directed me to read the results of a poll that asked if the contents of the update proved satisfactory. That doesn't answer why you were expecting v1.05 not to be a minor update...

You haven't answered this, beyond saying that you wanted it not to be - but that wasn't what I asked. In the absence of any announcements from Sony and, knowing that v1.05 is by definition a minor update, why would you expect anything other than a minor update?

We need the gamebreaking bugs, to be fixed.

I agree - if bugs break a game they should be fixed. I'm not aware of there being any, but then other bugs such as the ones I am aware of should also be fixed.

You can't run a successful series without them effecting you (or better yet rendering it useless).

I've done a few races with members from another site and we've had no problems of any kind. Except crap driving, but hey, what can you do.

I'm not sure what it is we do that stops the bugs affecting us or rendering our series useless. Perhaps we should compare notes?

LVracerGT, iamsupernasty, and many other GTAcademy drivers in my group had to cancel the series they had to do a mixture of tire glitches and server problems.

Again, I've encountered neither - but then the group I'm with doesn't have the concentration span to do pitstop-length races, so that keeps the tyre issue off our back!

It should have been PD's main priority to fix the game back to a state in which the customers who bought a racing game to race on, could actually do so.

I'm pretty sure I'm a customer and, as above, I can actually race in the racing game. Online, with other humans (well, there's one guy we're not sure about). I'm not being affected by the issues you're facing.

As I said before, we can compare notes if you wish - maybe we're doing something you aren't (or vice versa). Perhaps it's a localised issue and giving your local SCE office a ring or an e-mail will help?

You can break my posts down into 100 quotes and it won't change the fact that stands - the community isn't happy with GT6.

The community wasn't happy with GT5 either. Or GT5P. Or GTHD. Or GT4. Or GT4P. GT3 seems to have been fine (my favourite of the canon titles) and I wasn't really around much in the GT2 days so I can't really comment.

It's the nature of communities like this to be vociferously angry but quietly satisfied - that is, "the community" ire is often disproportionately loud compared to the general community feeling. It's difficult to gauge it well because the folk who don't feel the need to speak up don't, which leaves us only with those who do. The blog comments are an excellent demonstration of this - though they are a sea of intelligence compared to Youtube comments.

Of course a problem is that the community doesn't know what it wants. For every feature the community wants, there's a community that not only doesn't want it but wants it removed - just look through this thread at the comments about B-Spec. The community wants B-Spec, then the community wants B-Spec removed because it wastes resources that could be spent elsewhere. The community wants more money in the game, then the community thinks money acquisition is too easy. The community wants new cars, but then the community doesn't care for those cars, give us different ones. The community wants a new track, but not that one. The community wants updates, then the community whines that there's another update, why can't they get it right first time like they used to in the 1980s? In each case it's those who are upset who have the most to say, while those who are satisfied don't speak up - they may be too busy playing the game. You would go mad trying to appease the community - and some of the time I'm glad PD don't even attempt it, because it turns out that a lot of the time the car-nut in charge of it all quite likes the same things I quite like.

But yes, there are still bugs, so some more bugfixes would be good. In minor updates, naturally.

 

[eSZee]

Like I've already stated, we didn't expect a minor update. Before they announced a minor update, we were looking for a large update. Simple as that. They gave us some more features on a broken game.

You can put lipstick on a pig, and guess what... It's still a pig.

Why?
You're getting upset over something that was not meant to happen.
I'll join your cause, I'll be pissed if we don't get the Subaru VGT with the next update. Grrrrrr.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

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In all honesty, I didn't even read all of this. This topic isn't important enough for me to read a small novel (one that would be in the fiction section, I might add). I seen that you mentioned you've had no problems with online leagues, and I assure you people that set up leagues of any length - would agree with me that it certainly makes it hard.

You know how I feel toward the topic, and regardless of how much you twist what I say, it won't change. You know what the majority of people want. I don't care if you disagree, you're allowed to. If you thought GT6's next update should add jets, that's your opinion and no one can take it away from you.

I'm done arguing over a video game. You can think you're right, I can think I'm right, and we can get on with our days.

Why?
You're getting upset over something that was not meant to happen.
I'll join your cause, I'll be pissed if we don't get the Subaru VGT with the next update. Grrrrrr.

I'm far from upset. I've played the game 2 times in the last 2 weeks. It's a game to me and nothing more. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: at the end of the day if I want to drive enthusiastically and not worry about glitches/bugs/etc ... I grab the keys and walk out the door. I have nice twisty roads with a waterfall and great landscape very close to me. That suffices. G-force feels better than a shaking G27. It's almost spring time which means the summer whip is about to come out of hibernation. I'm excited for that.

 

[4everdelayed]

Well, I guess Famine is right. It's our fault we let ourselves get conned like that.

We should learn from our mistakes and move on.

 

[Furinkazen]

All of this would be shut up partly if PD fixed online. The glitches and errors still remaining are pretty visible, yet they won't fix them.

 

[eSZee]

I'm far from upset. I've played the game 2 times in the last 2 weeks. It's a game to me and nothing more. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: at the end of the day if I want to drive enthusiastically and not worry about glitches/bugs/etc ... I grab the keys and walk out the door. I have nice twisty roads with a waterfall and great landscape very close to me. That suffices. G-force feels better than a shaking G27. It's almost spring time which means the summer whip is about to come out of hibernation. I'm excited for that.

That's 2 more times than I've played it in 4+ weeks. I have a t500rs and the force feedback is awful. We are in agreement on many points.
Your whip, what is it?
HOWEVER...none of that changes the fact you're getting your panties in a bunch, yes you are this page is filled with your dissatisfaction, over something that was not supposed to happen...not happening.
Do you see how silly that sounds?

 

[jimipitbull]

@jimipitbull is there an Australian version of the tea party? If there is you should consider running as their leader, you have a great talent for taking irrelevant numbers and topics and twisting them to sound legitimate.

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My original post regarding the statistics of this poll was a direct reply to this

The same group that labels unhappy people as a "small vocal community". The irony is that recent polls showed they are actually the minority.

Would you like to join me for a nice cup of tea?

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Your whip, what is it?

I'll try and find the post I put last spring, in the Rumble Strip thread, one moment.

HOWEVER...none of that changes the fact you're getting your panties in a bunch, yes you are this page is filled with your dissatisfaction, over something that was not supposed to happen...not happening.
Do you see how silly that sounds?

If that's how you take it, than sure, it looks silly. However, that's not what I'm saying - nor is it what the almost 500 people that voted with me.

The only reason I even put time into my argument is because I had a lot of free time today.. Look at the markets, not very tradeable right now. Didn't make any buys, didn't short anything.. Ya know.