2008 Brazilian Grand Prix

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Its of ITV but I found this

I missed 'quali' so I was wondering if this is concordant with GTP opinions?
 
Its of ITV but I found this

I missed 'quali' so I was wondering if this is concordant with GTP opinions?

The ITV commentator suggested that I think? Personally I think most of them are on light fuel to start at the front in the last race of the season.

I would love Trulli to win tomorrow. It would then be 8 drivers and 6 teams to win a race this year.

Why is it that whenever F1 starts to get good they have to change the rules again? One team will probably dominate next season. worst luck.
 
Particularly when James Allen was doing the line "you can't break me" :lol:

Haha I laughed out loud when that come on:lol:. I was recording it and have uploaded it to youtube, see how long it lasts. Some good clips in the vid but of all the great moments we've seen how does David Beckham and posh spice get in? Roll on BBC.

Formula 1 moments from the last 11 years and James Allen's message to all his fans "And though you try, you'll never break me."

Song used: My Chemical Romance - Welcome to the Black Parade


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PS2U305190I&fmt=18 Higher Quality

Bit worried for Hamilton starting in 4th, he could easily get bumped trying to play it safe as well. If he gets through and scores highly then I think he deserves it. Anyway if Lewis messes up somehow then good luck Massa.

I didn't have enough space to record the whole of quali but I thought watching it live that Massa's last lap he was down slightly then gained it all back and more in sector 3 and it wasn't such a great lap. Seems like he's low on fuel maybe. Sorry if I've got this wrong.

Rob Smedley was saying it was a great lap and Massa was fueled heavy.
 
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Massa was a tad slower until sector 3... something like almost 2 tenths, I think.

If he's running heavy, then they've hidden a jetpack in his diffuser.
 
That ITV vid has to be the best bit of broadcasting they've done in around 12 years. 👍
 
or ever? :lol:
 
this race should be really good especially if it rains.
 
Jarno Trulli is going to be the most important person on the grid. It's my bet that Raikkonen will run interference in second place, because if he falls too far back, he won't be of any assistance to Massa. Kovalainen will help Hamilton, so Alonso and anyone else in the pro-Massa camp will have a job of getting in there, so it's going to be Trulli who decides how these things play out. If he's for Massa, he'll basically slow Hamilton down enough that someone will be able to make it through, but if he favours Hamilton, he'll either let the Briton through or do nothing.
Nice video; it's good to see the drivers having a bit of fun (shame about the song, though). There would have been a time where making something like that was just impossible because they all hated each other.
 
Jarno Trulli is going to be the most important person on the grid. It's my bet that Raikkonen will run interference in second place, because if he falls too far back, he won't be of any assistance to Massa. Kovalainen will help Hamilton, so Alonso and anyone else in the pro-Massa camp will have a job of getting in there, so it's going to be Trulli who decides how these things play out. If he's for Massa, he'll basically slow Hamilton down enough that someone will be able to make it through, but if he favours Hamilton, he'll either let the Briton through or do nothing.

Nice video; it's good to see the drivers having a bit of fun (shame about the song, though). There would have been a time where making something like that was just impossible because they all hated each other.

Trulli will likely keep his nose out of doing anything the FIA feels they can punish to help either Hamilton or Massa.
If he sees a chance of winning the race ahead of Massa, I have no doubts Trulli will go for it, just as much as he will defend against Hamilton to the bitter end.

If Trulli gets ahead of Massa, I think Massa's chances of winning the title go out the window, as Trulli is an excellent defender. If Trulli doesn't get past Massa and ends up with Hamilton behind him, theres a possiblity Hamilton might do something dramatic to get past Trulli and take himself out.

Agreed on the song choice for that ITV thing...yuck. Speaking of which, James Allen "hits back" at his critics:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/11/01/james-allen-hits-back/
I was always pretty confident that when Murray decided to retire I would get the gig, but never anything less than utterly self-critical and seeking to improve with every race and every year, which I think I’ve done.

It’s a very difficult and high-pressure job, because with 20 cars there are 20 different points of focus.

You have to read the race, using a TV picture and the timing screens, while speaking at the same time and still leave spare brain capacity for talking to the producer and thinking about what comes next.

And as it’s live and it’s all happening very quickly it’s very easy to make a mistake, which is why you always need to allow yourself a margin.

Having a brilliant communicator like Martin Brundle as a partner helps a great deal too.

I take a journalistic approach to commentary, I’m a storyteller; it’s my job to tell the story, not to be the story.

Of course there are many people at home in their armchairs who think they could do it better and one of the challenges for me was that I replaced Murray just as the internet opened up to allow everyone to have their say in chat rooms and forums.

But I know from market research and viewer feedback that the pros massively outnumber the vocal minority of cons.

I’m very proud of the work that we have done with the North One production team over the years and we have 2 BAFTAs and 12 Royal Television Society awards to prove that the TV industry, like most viewers, rate our work very highly.


:rolleyes:
 
kjb
this race should be really good especially if it rains.

Diffenately. To quote my favorite line from Transformers the movie, "Bring the Rain":sly:👍
 
I take a journalistic approach to commentary, I’m a storyteller; it’s my job to tell the story, not to be the story.[/I]
That's a very admirable line to take, James. Now if you actually stayed with it for the course of a lap instead of mentioning Lewis Hamilton at every other corner just once, it'd be great ...
 
Wow. 11 Years of F1 ITV. I still remember the first race they showed when they had a Racing Night with Movies like Grand Prix in build up for the race in Australia. I shall miss ITV in a way as they have really moved the goal posts on coverage.

Also a majority of my F1 life has been via ITV. That video brings back alot of memory's. I remember watching Hakkinen crying in the bushes and laughing as I was a Schumi fan and to see him throw it away was pleasing. Although the last race before ITV took over with Damon Hill winning in the early hours of the morning was the best race ever.
I couldn't see BBC doing a video like that though....

Back to the race. I have a feeling Massa will be crowned WDC tomorrow..
 
Alot of talk about a title which isnt really in doubt at all. Im a Massa fan, but even if Hamilton takes himself out somohow (And I dont think he will), Massa would still have to finish first or second in a wet race on a track where safety cars do occasionally turn up. I love Massa, but its not happening.
 
Which could be said of any racing circuit nywhere in the world ...
Yes, but the point I was trying to make was that at a course like Interlagos the main straight and first corner are almost walled in. There is a much higher chance for a safety car on this track than something like Bahrain or Shanghai, where there are seas of runoff and space.
 
I take a journalistic approach to commentary, I’m a storyteller; it’s my job to tell the story, not to be the story.

Because stories along the lines of "...this strategy might work for him. Or it might not." and Lewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis HamiltonLewis Hamilton are really what F1 fans want to hear week in and week out.

Edit: I'm one of those armchair critics, but I don't think I could do better than him. I just think that I should be entitled to someone not spewing utter nonsense at me through my TV speakers every race. Brundle doesn't seem to have any issues talking about 20 focal objects and communicating with producers and what have you. He even manages to not sound like an idiot.
 
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Lewis is in a downright dangerous position... bottled up behind Trulii with a hard-charging Alonso behind him. Massa needs Kimi less than Lewis needs Hekki at this point in time... Massa has the pace to pull a good lead out with Jarno in third, but Lewis needs protection from the pack behind him as he tries to get around the Trulli-train. If he can, then he has a clear shot for a comfortable podium with little traffic. Massa? All he has to do is stay cool and finish to win his championship, and hope Lewis falls a few places in traffic (which isn't hard to imagine... Lewis isn't exactly the quickest guy off the line).

This is one race that may be decided in the first corner. It'll be a nail-biter of a start.

Roo
What I mean is that when Massa has lost points, it's usually because of a mistake by Ferrari. When Hamilton has lost points, it's usually because of a mistake by Hamilton.

I hope I don't have to draw attention to the 'usually'.

Or because of brand new rules being made to penalize him? :lol: Of course, that's only happened one or two times, so it's not all that usual.

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Massa qualified 1st 3 times in a row in Sao Paolo, and is keen on winning the championship, with Hamilton down on the 2nd row in 4th place. Now if Hamilton keeps his cool and don't overdo it (or having really bad luck) and manage to keep a constant pace throughout the race, he will become the youngest F1 champion in history. He doesn't have to go all out and try to win, just keeping up with the Ferrari and stay in the top 5 will be good enough for him...... 👍

As for Trulli, I don't think he will be much of a problem in the race. Sure he could defend his position quite well, but I think because the Toyota lacks a bit of horsepower compared to Ferrari and McLaren it would not be much of a problem to overtake him on the straights. Plus, if he was running light he does have to pit earlier......

If it rains, then it would be add more spectacle to an already exciting season. :D
 
Actually, I think that if anything is going to wreak havoc with the race, it will be pitstops. Not so much Ferrari making an absolute tit of it a la Singapore and Valencia, but moreso the fact that Interlagos has the longest pit lane of any of the races. That's always good for re-shuffling the order a little bit.

I think psychologically, Ferrari have the advantage here. They came from behind last year, and they're in a position to do it again in 2008. It's slightly offset by the fact that this time, it's Massa rather than Raikkonen, but they do have a bit of an edge here. They know it can be done.

Alos, I'm curious ... when was the last time the championship was won by two drivers for the same team like Raikkonen last year and possibly Massa this time? Has it ever happened? And when did we last have two consecutive down-to-the-wire championships each won by the man in second place?
Brundle doesn't seem to have any issues talking about 20 focal objects and communicating with producers and what have you. He even manages to not sound like an idiot.
Yeah, I wouldn't have any problems with him returning next year, though he was the one who started the whole "Alonso brake-tested Hamilton" thing back at Bahrain within moments of the incident happening ... so I can't say as if I'm too broken up to see him go. But he is a former racing driver, and so know the sport, which is a big plus over Allen. The problem is that when Allen gets worked up - which is generally every time there's a silver car in frame,even if it's Kovalainen - Brundle can't seem to be able to get a word in edgeways.
 
James is leaving????Oh no (sniff sniff) anyone got a tissue NOT!!! As much as Murray Walker was over the top, James is........ well we hear it every week. The only thing that's a worry is the replacement.

Alos, I'm curious ... when was the last time the championship was won by two drivers for the same team like Raikkonen last year and possibly Massa this time? Has it ever happened? And when did we last have two consecutive down-to-the-wire championships each won by the man in second place?

Team mates are usually rated 1-2 so to have them in position to win a championship in consesecutive years is a definate rarety if not a first.As for the championship down to the wire situation in consecutive years, I not sure. Suzuka did decide a few championships over the years but not sure if they were back to back. Interesting statistic though!!


Edit: GO MASSA
 
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James Allen: "But I know from market research and viewer feedback that the pros massively outnumber the vocal minority of cons."

Yeah, you go on believing that, James. Think it's an accident that someone who constantly refers to "Grand Prixs" and who only yesterday said that Hamilton was "the crowd's anti-hero" is almost the only person not to be employed at the BBC next year from the current ITV-F1 crop?
 
Yeah, you go on believing that, James. Think it's an accident that someone who constantly refers to "Grand Prixs" and who only yesterday said that Hamilton was "the crowd's anti-hero" is almost the only person not to be employed at the BBC next year from the current ITV-F1 crop?

Haha I was about to question the viewer surveys in my last post. I frequent a few F1 related sites and forums, and from what I've seen,
Percentage of people who think Allen is annoying and whiny: 100%
Percentage of people who think Allen is NOT annoying and whiny: 0%

Maybe he just asked his mum and ran with what she said.
 
He's single-handedly made even many British people sick of Lewis Hamilton.
 
Actually, I think that if anything is going to wreak havoc with the race, it will be pitstops. Not so much Ferrari making an absolute tit of it a la Singapore and Valencia, but moreso the fact that Interlagos has the longest pit lane of any of the races. That's always good for re-shuffling the order a little bit.

I think psychologically, Ferrari have the advantage here. They came from behind last year, and they're in a position to do it again in 2008. It's slightly offset by the fact that this time, it's Massa rather than Raikkonen, but they do have a bit of an edge here. They know it can be done.

Alos, I'm curious ... when was the last time the championship was won by two drivers for the same team like Raikkonen last year and possibly Massa this time? Has it ever happened? And when did we last have two consecutive down-to-the-wire championships each won by the man in second place?
Yeah, I wouldn't have any problems with him returning next year, though he was the one who started the whole "Alonso brake-tested Hamilton" thing back at Bahrain within moments of the incident happening ... so I can't say as if I'm too broken up to see him go. But he is a former racing driver, and so know the sport, which is a big plus over Allen. The problem is that when Allen gets worked up - which is generally every time there's a silver car in frame,even if it's Kovalainen - Brundle can't seem to be able to get a word in edgeways.

Jack Brabham won in 1966 and his teammate Denny Hulme won it in 1967. They drove Brabham-Repco's.

:dunce::dunce: As others have pointed out there have been others since then :dunce::dunce:
 
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Muchas Gracias. So it's been forty years; I wonder if history can repeat ...
 
Muchas Gracias. So it's been forty years; I wonder if history can repeat ...
1984/85 is a bit earlier.

Lauda won in '84, Prost won in '85. They were teammates both years.
 
I was thinking more team mates for the same team over the two years.
 
I was thinking more team mates for the same team over the two years.
Yes, so was I.

1984
McLaren-TAG
Niki Lauda - 1st
Alain Prost - 2nd

1985
McLaren-TAG
Niki Lauda - 10th
Alain Prost - 1st
 
I don't know how's the weather right now in São Paulo but over here it's been raining all night long and morning non-stop.
 
I think Prost and Senna, aswell as Hill and Villeneuve both did it consecutive years.
 
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