2009 Brazilian Grand Prix

I thought the change to V8 was done in 2007, so my bad.

And I have to say I'm very surprised at the lap times. They are nearly identical to last year.

But the race is shaping up to be a very exciting race. It would be nice if Barrichello managed to win his first Brazilian race, even if Button won the championship.
 
Koboyashi is doing quite well i think for a rookie so far. hes only had 1 day of time in the car before this during the season (not counting preseason which was basically a totally different car by this point in the season) and is on the pace it seems. i must admit i was expecting him to be about a second off the pace but he seems to be doing quite well for himself.
 
I want Rubens to win, Vette lto come 2nd, and Button to leave pointless, I just don't want him to win so bad!!!
 
I want Rubens to win, Vette lto come 2nd, and Button to leave pointless, I just don't want him to win so bad!!!

Hehe...I'm with you :lol: :cheers:
 
If Button doesn't deserve it, no-one does. You might complain that he hasn't shown a champion's drive of late, but nobody has made a case for them being a champion themselves. At least Button has had six wins in seven races; no-one else comes close. When he left Monaco, Button had a sixteen-point lead. Now that he's in Brazil, he's got sixteen on Vettel and fourteen on Barrichello, and regardless of what happen, he's guaranteed to have a four-point lead going into Abu Dhabi. He's led the championship all season, and no-one has been within striking distance.

So how exactly is somebody else more deserving?
 
Why doesn't anyone want him to win? I do. He's been in this sport for so long, and only had 1 win before this season, then goes and dominates the 1st half of the season. This must be a dream season for him , it would make me very happy for him. He certainly deserves it.
 
Simple, he's not the under dog. When people's favorite teams or drivers are no longer in the championship it's natural to want the under dog to win.

But I'd say the person who wins it is most deserving. If you lose it in the last few races you either have bad luck due to mechanical failure or other things outside your control or you just didn't want it bad enough.
 
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simple hes not the under dog. when peoples favorite teams or drivers are no longer in the championship its natural to want the under dog to win.

but id say the person who wins it is most deserving. if you lose it in the last few races you either have bad luck do to mechanical failure or other things outside your control or you just didnt want it bad enough.

Yeah, this year, but this is the same guy who almost didn't have a ride for this year. Plus a consecutive streak of bad performances from a cruddy team that was going down the drain. He still my under to win the championship. Underdogs dont usually change until the next season.
 
No for most people the underdog isn't chosen until their team/driver is no longer in the hunt. At that point who ever is behind usually becomes the fans' underdog because they have to struggle. Let's face it all 3 of them are "underdogs" in the way you put it but at this point people want to see someone fight tooth and nail for the championship. You see it all the time in sports. Football, soccer (football for you non-Americans), even golf. Who ever is behind once their person isn't in is who they want to win. It's no fun rooting for the guy who's already got the title in hand once you dont have anyone to root for.
 
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I've watched Jenson be the underdog for the last 9 years, and at times it's been immensly frustrating. Seeing him in the pound seats to win the title is a dream come true - for me, both Brawn and Red Bull are still underdogs, with McLaren and Ferrari being the dominent forces, despite this one-off unusual year. With no big rule changes for next year, that will be the case next season. What's the point of rooting for the underdog if you don't want him to win?
 
Edit: How the hell has youtube found the copyright on this little clip? I even encoded to avi. If you click the link you can still view it. Youtube have blocked "some countries". Can gtplanet add a less restrictive video site to embed?
Because the copyright belongs to the FIA, not the person who encoded/uploaded it, and Youtube are upholding the FIA's copyright.
 
Simple, he's not the under dog. When people's favorite teams or drivers are no longer in the championship it's natural to want the under dog to win.

But I'd say the person who wins it is most deserving. If you lose it in the last few races you either have bad luck due to mechanical failure or other things outside your control or you just didn't want it bad enough.

No for most people the underdog isn't chosen until their team/driver is no longer in the hunt. At that point who ever is behind usually becomes the fans' underdog because they have to struggle. Let's face it all 3 of them are "underdogs" in the way you put it but at this point people want to see someone fight tooth and nail for the championship. You see it all the time in sports. Football, soccer (football for you non-Americans), even golf. Who ever is behind once their person isn't in is who they want to win. It's no fun rooting for the guy who's already got the title in hand once you dont have anyone to root for.

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That aside, Jenson is the very definition of "underdog". A nine-year F1 career, mainly in big money fail teams, slogging away weekend after weekend with only a solitary win to show for all his effort. A month before the 2009 season he didn't have a seat and there were only 9 teams on the grid. 2 months into the season and he's 6 wins from 7.

If (and when :D) he wins it, it'll be almost the ultimate underdog triumph in sporting history - tempered only by the fact there's just 10 teams and 24 drivers to date this year.
 
Why doesn't anyone want him to win? I do. He's been in this sport for so long, and only had 1 win before this season, then goes and dominates the 1st half of the season. This must be a dream season for him , it would make me very happy for him. He certainly deserves it.

I don't want him to win simply because I don't like him. Going back to 2004-2005 when he had signed a deal with Williams but then backed out of it.

Personally I think Rubens is a way bigger underdog story. Oldest driver in the field, Most GPs of all time with only 9 wins before this season... if he were to win the title now it would be a much more positive story than if Button won.

Like I said originally: I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, just that I don't want him to win.
 
Because the copyright belongs to the FIA, not the person who encoded/uploaded it, and Youtube are upholding the FIA's copyright.

Sorry I should've explained. Youtube flagged the moment it uploaded. I know they have voice content from films/songs/TV series on DVD that match or have things in the source file or just a few days later someone will find it. Just wondering what they used to flag this cut clip.
 
I don't want him to win simply because I don't like him. Going back to 2004-2005 when he had signed a deal with Williams but then backed out of it.

Actually, he signed a 2 year deal with Williams which was contested by BAR-Honda and the FIA ruled in BAR's favour... He didn't back out of squat. The following season he paid something like £20m to buy himself out of the second year of that previous contract.
 
The following season he paid something like £20m to buy himself out of the second year of that previous contract.
And I believe his argument for it was that he didn't think Williams could deliver the car they had promised. And if memory serves, he was right.
 
Actually, he signed a 2 year deal with Williams which was contested by BAR-Honda and the FIA ruled in BAR's favour... He didn't back out of squat. The following season he paid something like £20m to buy himself out of the second year of that previous contract.

He was originally supposed to join Williams after the 2004 season, but BAR found a clause in their contract which allowed them to keep him for 2005, postponing the move until 2006.

Then during the 2005 season Jenson changed his mind and said he didn't want to join Williams. He most definitely backed out of it. It's reported he had to pay Williams a significant amount of money, but who knows if BAR footed the bill for that.
 
And I believe his argument for it was that he didn't think Williams could deliver the car they had promised. And if memory serves, he was right.

Honda didn't do a special job for 07 or 08 either mind - and I'm pretty sure 06 wasn't amazing either?

09 however is a special Honda car!!

C.
 
Huge thunderstorm now in Brasil!!!I think the 3rd practice is even suspended!!





spyrrari.
 
Hopefully the weather calms down before qualifying, I don't want to get up early for nothing! :indiff:
 
It's getting bright again. The rivers running across the track don't look too good though.
 
Holy crap...I don't want this. Why?

Because this lowers Vettel's chances of making a comeback to win the championship.
 
Indeed...remember 2003?...:scared:



spyrrari.
 
Ah well I don't want to stay up late for nothing...

Hope that it'll dry out in a couple of minutes to come...
 
Huge thunderstorm now in Brasil!!!I think the 3rd practice is even suspended!!





spyrrari.

Any chance qualifying might be cancelled as well D:? planning to stay up till 4 am to watch it x-x
 
Looks like FP3 is not cancelled...they are waiting for the rain/storm to blow over...


The official reason for not driving is the fact that the medical helicopter isn't allowed to fly in this kind of weather...




spyrrari.
 
Session starts at 11.42 local time.

That's in about 3 minutes and the session lasts 18 minutes.
 
Looks like FP3 is not cancelled...they are waiting for the rain/storm to blow over...


The official reason for not driving is the fact that the medical helicopter isn't allowed to fly in this kind of weather...

You stop drivers racing because of the helicopter not being allowed to fly????

That's a bit of a lame reason don't you think?
 
You stop drivers racing because of the helicopter not being allowed to fly????
Yes. That is standard practise. They don't want someone to crash and die because they couldn't get them to hospital in time.

I've seen sessions delayed before as the medical helicopter was taking someone to hospital and the session wasn't resumed until it got back.
 
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