2011 Formula One Grand Prix de Monaco

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Thanks for clarifying. I can't see that Sutil would have done something wrong at that point.

Sutils contact with the guardrail in Tabac lead to the incident with Hamilton, Alguersuari and Petrov. He also had a slight encounter with Di Resta somewhere during the race. That can be the cause of the reprimand too.
Like you say, having stewards clarify their decisions would be nice.
 
Centura
Anyone else feel DRS is unnecessary? I have had that feeling for a couple of races now. Pirelli tyres and KERS is creating plenty of action outside DRS zones.
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I think both DRS and KERS are unnecessary to be honest the Pirelli tyres would have done enough to spice racing up this season.

I have been watching the 98 and now 99 seasons lately and I must say those cars were so much cooler than the cars we have now even with the stupid grooved tyres. They look better and sound better and there is still some good action with some actual strategy involved. Although I never really liked Schumi back then watching these seasons again he really was way ahead of everyone else the only thing that held him back was the Ferrari and he absolutely drove the wheels off that thing each race, it is awesome to watch.
 
I think DRS and KERS are necessary and I feel that combined they create the most excitement on top of all the tyre drama. I am looking forward to seeing how two DRS zones effects the racing.
 
Sergio Perez has just been released from the hospital. Apparently, he didn't remember much about the incident and he said the team didn't spot any problem with the car and he might have just went off the line or braked on a bump...

Sergio Perez
I can only guess that I might have been a bit offline or braked on a bump.
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Great driving by Vettel which was obviously blessed by the gods of luck,personally I think that Button won the race(without red flag he would have some neat chances,if you consider tire compound and status from the front racers).

As from the incidents in which Hamilton was involve, I have to say that both crashes were caused by closing the door to late,the problem is Hamilton's pace,which was good but not indicated to this circuit(tight spaces,corners and probably just 5 places to execute a clean pass),Hamilton shown despair in a circuit were crashes are very often and as expected he made a handful of mistakes,his actitude towards the penalizations and the media wasn't the right one thought,but this kind of behavior was shown by MSC and Alonso so no surprise there.

All I have to say is that Hamilton should control himself at the time of overtaking and he should play smatter in both PR and race.
 
By the way, did anyone else notice that the driver who started the red-flag crash was Alguesuari? I've just been watching the whole incident carefully and while Sutil's stricken car obviously slowed up Hamilton, its Alguesuari who steams past Petrov at Tabac (despite Petrov being a whole lap ahead of him) and then flies into the Swimming Pool section to crash into Hamilton.
What on earth was he thinking/doing? There were three groups of cars involved at the time with the leaders at the back, Alguesuari, Buemi and Rosberg fighting a lap down and Sutil, Maldonado, Hamilton and Petrov fighting just ahead still on the lead lap. While Petrov was fairly slow, and Alguesuari might have been worried about his teammate just behind him (as he was fighting for position with him)..it was pretty reckless racing.
 
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Ardius
By the way, did anyone else notice that the driver who started the red-flag crash was Alguesuari? I've just been watching the whole incident carefully and while Sutil's stricken car obviously slowed up Hamilton, its Alguesuari who steams past Petrov at Tabac (despite Petrov being a whole lap ahead of him) and then flies into the Swimming Pool section to crash into Hamilton.
What on earth was he thinking/doing?
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I saw that too,Alguesuari just flight over the rumble strip,crashing afterwards agains the wall and agains other cars,but he seem rather impacted by other car behind,that is my opinion thought,is hard to tell from a single crash angle on you tube.
 
Jaime needs to be a bit more careful... Brundle said his racing seat was up for review.
Test driver Ricciardo has outperfomed Buemi at least once in practice sessions. Maybe he'd be a better fit for the team.


Besides, his arms are nowhere near long enough for a professional racing driver.
 
Kers hardly makes any difference because all drivers can use it, even to defend.

DRS is unfair... Cars that close in performance, the follower will always overtake the leader.

So I say combine DRS and Kers. And forget special zones to use any of that.

Let the professional racing drivers do what they do best. And that includes taking chances.

If they get one big boost (Kers and DRS), for a limited time (while Kers lasts), it will work, and it will reward the driver that manages it the best. Like the tires, brake balance etc

Otherwise is just artificially messing up with true racing...

IMHO
 
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Sick of the endless debate about passing.

Any chance Vettel breaks Schumacher's single season record for race victories in a season, which I believe is 13? He's got the benefit of one extra race to do it...
 
YellowG1
Sick of the endless debate about passing.

Any chance Vettel breaks Schumacher's single season record for race victories in a season, which I believe is 13? He's got the benefit of one extra race to do it...
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It will be very difficult as McLaren and Ferrari this season are close in the races and Red Bull are still seemingly weak on strategy (though it seems all the top teams are screwing strategy up at the moment).
Its also made harder due to Webber not really providing much of a tailgunner role at the moment.

Possible, but I doubt he will manage it. McLaren are surely very close to fighting more consistently for victory.
 
hornet_burnout
Kers hardly makes any difference because all drivers can use it, even to defend.
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Except it is an important green tech that brings F1 a little more relevant to road cars. I appreciate it for that alone.

DRS is unfair... Cars that close in performance, the follower will always overtake the leader.
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True, but if the leader is as fast he'll simply do the same on the next lap.

What I'm seeing with DRS is that it's making overtaking easier, but only for cars that are quicker on the track anyway. It does however neutralise well respected defensive drivers like Trulli.
Otherwise is just artificially messing up with true racing...

IMHO
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So is enforcing the use of both tyres IMO.
 
Lewis Hamilton
Hey guys. I wanted to apologise 4 last weekends performance & also my comments after, I never meant to offend no1.

I would also like to say thank u 2 everyone on here, 4 their positive messages & also 2 the angry messages. I can respect them both.

2 Massa & Maldonado, with the greatest respect I apologise if I offended u. Both of u r fantastic drivers who I regard highly.

2 my fans lost & my fans won, I wish u nothing but love & happiness. God Bless u. Onwards & upwards, Montreal next. Lewis
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Great to read this. I really disliked Lewis' attitude after Sunday but this is an exemplary reaction.
 
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Yes. Twitter is limited to 140 characters per message. I've added in the final message.
 
Mike Rotch
In all fairness, when is the last time you heard him moan? The last time I recall was in Valencia - and legitimately because guess who - LH - broke the rules about the safety car. I think Alonso gets an unfair wrap from his McL days, he really doesnt seem to be that guy anymore.
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While I agree that he doesn't seem to be that guy anymore, his gestures to Petrov at Abu Dhabi are the most recent evidence of him(evil Fernando).

Mike Rotch
For once, I agree with you ;)
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Gotta happen sometime.

Terronium-12
Oh no, I'm not implying he's been complaining at all this season (at least not that I've heard). I wasn't watching F1 much during his tenure at McLaren but I can imagine he didn't take too kindly to being No. 2.
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He wasn't a number 2 at Mclaren. All of Fernando's success (up to that point) had come on the Michelin tire which had very different characteristics. On the michelin tire, Hamilton had been quite a bit slower. When they (all teams) switched to the bridgestone tire, Hamilton was quick and Alonso struggled at first. The tires suited Hamilton and made things quite difficult for the likes of Alonso and Kubica whose driving style suited the Michelin.

Anyway, Fernando was bona fide number one in the team, but his struggles with the tires leveled things between him and Hamilton. Hamilton improved during the early season and Alonso got used to the tires. Had Mclaren been able to stick with the Michelin's, it would have been a different story altogether.

F1GTR
I thought you were on about Ayrton Senna, I'm sure many thought he was a reckless, arrogant phallus too (though he was far more eloquent than LH is). On the flip side, Hammy would be pleased in being compared to his hero. :lol:
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He is on a major ego trip. Of course he loves being compared to Senna, but he also believes he is "entitled to multiple titles". Maybe he'll win multiple titles, but he's not entitled to anything yet. He's a one time champion so far but he needs to come down off of his high horse. If he seriously believes he is entitled to multiple titles, then he really does think it's the lewis hamilton show. No one is entitled to titles. They earn them.

Alex.
Great to read this. I really disliked Lewis' attitude after Sunday but this is an exemplary reaction.
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Where did you read this? And what's with all the text speak? As it happens, I think this is an exercise in PR.
 
Alex.
Great to read this. I really disliked Lewis' attitude after Sunday but this is an exemplary reaction.
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Until the next time I imagine, I'd like to say its great but I don't know...I'm a little sick of the same old circle that seems to be appearing. Hamilton screws up, everyone argues about it, he apologies, everyone says how great he is, then he screws up again....
I don't think his attitude has changed at all, which lets be fair is the average racing driver (or even general sportperson) attitude of "I'm the greatest".

I wish Hamilton would learn some measure to his words, its either not saying anything at all or saying the worst possible thing and having to apologise. He doesn't appear to know a middle ground the way perhaps Alonso, Button, Vettel and so on do.

Good for everyone that can put up with Hamilton's personality and attitude, but for me, it will be a constant barrier to really liking him and supporting him. Exciting driver, is easily one of the best..but he's one of the least likable drivers on the grid for me. The contrast with Button only makes it worse.

I would love to support Hamilton, but every now and again he shows his true colours when he gets emotional..and well..he seems a bit of a prick underneath the PR and practiced media words.
 
ExigeEvan
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I'm all for kers and DRS, mind you. If any I think it should be lighter, longer and more powerful, as tech will allow it in the future, and also free to use anywhere. So that it's management could make more of a difference.

Enforcing tyres is just limiting the teams room to move in their strategies. Which, yes, is also messing with "real racing".

In short, if there are going to be new technologies allowed, that tech should be available to the racers and teams to use as they see fit.

Penalizing "bold" overtaking, limiting DRS and enforcing tyres forces a "train" of cars that can only overtake in a single place and in a "safe" manner.

Governing bodies are just trying to control how races are raced, which ultimately should be left to the teams and the drivers.
 
hornet_burnout
I'm all for kers and DRS, mind you. If any I think it should be lighter, longer and more powerful, as tech will allow it in the future, and also free to use anywhere. So that it's management could make more of a difference.

Enforcing tyres is just limiting the teams room to move in their strategies. Which, yes, is also messing with "real racing".

In short, if there are going to be new technologies allowed, that tech should be available to the racers and teams to use as they see fit.

Penalizing "bold" overtaking, limiting DRS and enforcing tyres forces a "train" of cars that can only overtake in a single place and in a "safe" manner.

Governing bodies are just trying to control how races are raced, which ultimately should be left to the teams and the drivers.
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Once again, I see someone claim that DRS and Kers should be able to be used anywhere. In that case it will be useless because every time someone tries to attack with kers and drs, the person in front will use it to defend their position... So basically, we'll have two cars that will be going slightly faster, but can't overtake... In that case, there would be no point having any of it.
 
F1 fan
Once again, I see someone claim that DRS and Kers should be able to be used anywhere. In that case it will be useless because every time someone tries to attack with kers and drs, the person in front will use it to defend their position... So basically, we'll have two cars that will be going slightly faster, but can't overtake... In that case, there would be no point having any of it.
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The key would be management. If you're behind, you should be able to manage it better (slipstream for instance) and save some to the point where you know it would make a difference.
 
hornet_burnout
The key would be management. If you're behind, you should be able to manage it better (slipstream for instance) and save some to the point where you know it would make a difference.
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But the person in front can take advantage of some good defensive driving, wait for the person behind to use it, then use theirs in response. Either way you slice it, allowing all to use drs just neutralizes it. We'll just have periods of time when the two cars are slightly faster.
 
F1 fan
But the person in front can take advantage of some good defensive driving, wait for the person behind to use it, then use theirs in response.
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Which would mean better management on his part :)

But at least it would throw some more driver into the equation instead of DRS being used just in one expected place.
 
hornet_burnout
Which would mean better management on his part :)

But at least it would throw some more driver into the equation instead of DRS being used just in one expected place.
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It would put the strategy into the equation more, but I doubt it would be effective for reasons already given.
 
What kind of "defensive driving" are you talking about? What works against DRS+Kers (acceleration and straight line speed), besides using it?

The chaser always has the advantage due to splistream, it just isn't enough usually. Using that to end up with a few more seconds on a limited (in time, not location) DRS+Kers, would increase that advantage a lot.
 
hornet_burnout
The chaser always has the advantage due to splistream, it just isn't enough usually. Using that to end up with a few more seconds on a limited (in time, not location) DRS+Kers, would increase that advantage a lot.
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Catalunya.

Hamilton (under advisement from the prat-perch) saved his KERS to use in conjunction with his DRS on the main straight.

He blasted past Vettel like Thrust II overtaking a vicar's bicycle.

Oh, no... wait... :D
 

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