2023 September Update Prediction

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If you need me to count it out for you, that is 35 new cars, 3 new tracks, the Lewis Hamilton DLC, a bunch of weather updates and a ton of new events. And if you can tell that simply based on there being no content update in one month over Christmas (there was a normal update though), then my goodness you should consider a job in clairvoyancy.

So.. could you point out where it was clear they were winding down. No? Oh, because it never happened and you're making things up as usual. Surprise surprise.
Now look at all that content they were adding, and then what they're adding now. Hard to wind down when they never wound up to begin with in GT7.
 
They've missed two months in terms of content updates so far (January 2023 and either July or August 2023 depending on how you're counting last month). In the first 18 months of GT Sport's life, they missed 3 (June 2018, October 2018, February 2019). So it's not like GT Sport was super consistent at being monthly either, and as such I don't think them missing last month is a sign that they're winding things down at all to be honest.
 
I don´t think PD or Sony want to keep GT7 as the platform for the entire generation simply because it´s a cross gen game and parity with last gen will always hold GT7 back.

I also find it telling that the service game aspect that was talked about around launch still has not manifested in the game in any form. Same goes for endurance races...

The updates also seem a tad smaller and slower than in the GTS days.

If I had to guess I´d say we will at least hear of the next GT game next year.

WILD GUESS: It will ditch the number and simply be called "GRAN TURISMO".


Anyway, September update prediction: Circuit Gilles Villeneuve.
 
Now look at all that content they were adding, and then what they're adding now. Hard to wind down when they never wound up to begin with in GT7.
I still wish I knew what was up with this. I don't understand how such a heavy workflow can collapse to such a degree.

My only guess is crunching, but I can only figure even PD would advertise if they were now a crunch-free employee simply because it's fantastic PR nowadays.
 
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My semi educated guess is that is has to do with monetization.

Sony has announced that they want basically all their games to be GAS and PD have parroted that somewhat in regards to GT7.

Obviously for GT it has not happened yet.

So my assumption is that they are (probably with the help of Bungie) trying to either turn GT7 into a service game, or that they are starting over and building a new (next gen only) GT that is a service game at its core.

My gut feeling is that both scenarios suck.
 
I still wish I knew what was up with this. I don't understand how such a heavy workflow can collapse to such a degree.

My only guess is crunching, but I can only figure even PD would advertise if they were now a crunch-free employee simply because it's fantastic PR nowadays.
I've heard various explanations/excuses for this (GT7's cars and tracks taking even longer to make than Sport's, PD stockpiling a huge amount of content for GT8, customisation parts taking a lot of time to build) but I don't know how to feel about any of them.
 
Can we actually just acknowledge that the Spa 1hr race(literally GT3 porn) is the least spoken about money grind race… why?
Because people don’t want to admit that endurance races take more time than what they’d spend playing the game, it’s quite clear that they don’t have the patience to race for that long.
Why would we think 2-24hour races actually be well received and or used…
There is exactly one reason, why I hardly ever do that race( and it is not the lenght of that race):
Other than the WTC700 race at Sarthe, the Spa Race is almost impossible to win with modified road cars because of their fuel consumption...I simply enjoy customized, tuned and modified road cars(with my own liveries) so much more than driving GR2,GR3 and GR4 cars, that there is no motivation for me to race the WTC800 events...(I also hardly ever do the WTC800 at Sardegna for the same reason)
 
I've done the Spa grind race more than any other grind race. But it's far from a favorite, as I too prefer using street cars for my races.
 
In all fairness I thought they’ve been winding down. Maybe that’s because it’s just content 3-4 cars usually only 1 car I’m interested in (not their fault) and fixes for things I wasn’t even aware of. No new track for 8 months. If I were them I’d be aiming for 4 cars each month, 1 track every three months, in each update address some people’s concerns. Here’s some things I feel most people would agree need attention.

Why can’t we share tunes yet?
Why can’t we see what tires our cars currently have on in our garage?
Why is the timer right in our line of sight driving karts in cockpit view?
Why can’t the host kick people during race without having to sacrifice their own race?
Why do we have to wait for Sophy for better AI when PC1 and PC2 and ACC have much better AI without “Sophy”?
Why has it been 8 months since we got a new track in an update?
Why haven't they equaled out all race payouts so we can enjoy the entire game instead of having to resort to the big four?
Why can’t we customize the HUD?
Why can I see tire temps in SimHub dashboard but not in game?
Why can’t a lobby migrate hosts? Today I had to take off, we had 13-14 people in the room, I cancel all those players are dropped and might not find each other again.
Kaz and PD can't be trusted to keep to their word even when facing intense criticism. If they aren't taken to task, they'll continue to coast.

On 18th March '22 Kaz stated the following:

I want to make GT7 a game in which you can enjoy a variety of cars in a lot of different ways, and if possible I would like to try to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again.

We will let you know in time about the update plans for additional content, race events and features that will constructively resolve this situation.

It pains me that I can’t go into any further details at this moment, but we plan on continuing to revise GT7 so that as many players as possible can enjoy the game.

We would really appreciate it if everyone could watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view.

Kazunori Yamauchi


Back on 25th March '22 PD stated the following:

Finally, we also want to take the opportunity to lay out some of the near-term Updates we are working on. We can’t confirm an exact date or specifics yet, but will give advance notice via www.gran-turismo.com:

 ・Increase the reward payout of limited-time events as we develop as a live service;
 ・Addition of more World Circuits events;
 ・Addition of more Endurance Races to Missions, including 24-hour races;
 ・Addition of online Time Trials with rewards based on the player’s position in the online rankings;
 ・Being able to sell cars.


Over a year later many of these issues have not been resolved. If anything the situation is getting worse, as outside of Time Trials, the game has become stagnant. No one doubts the quality & passion that's gone into building the cars, tracks and certain features. But there's a distinct lack of care, passion & enthusiasm for all other parts of the single-player game.

How a team with the experience of PD can look at what they've delivered and think it is anywhere near acceptable is beyond me. Any one of us could put together fantastic Missions, Endurance races, Drift challenges, Drag races and traditional GT events which use every aspect of the games featureset. Everything is there to make a 10/10 title, all it takes is some care & attention from Kaz & PD.

But it seems all they really care about are the 1% of elite players in GTWS. The rest of the GT community has seemingly been abandoned. PD should be embarrassed at their lack of care, effort, passion, creativity. They have all the tools to make the best Gran Turismo to date, delivering for both single-player & online racers. But no doubt we'll get another lacklustre update and zero communication from their social media & marketing teams.

Well, I say zero, I've no doubt they'll continue spamming everyone's timelines with tedious Fraga & GTWS updates. God forbid they actually engage with their community and learn lessons from the competition. If only PD had the same engagement & passion for their title as the iRacing team.







 
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I think there will be a new track (or just new layout) either September or October, with the timing linked to the date of the World Series finals, now that they're back to being live events.This was the general pattern with the second half of the year during GT Sport lifespan.

1. Track shows up in World Series event.
2. Track included in next update (approx.)

Do we have any "TBA" for any upcoming online events in October? If not, I'm not expecting a track till at least end of October.
 
Here's what I'd like:

More real-world tracks, especially those used for WeatherTec and Indy Car racing
More cars that can be modified for driving in those races
An ability to race through a season of faux IMSA, IndyCar, WEC, SuperFormula, etc racing

If we're never going to get prize money that makes the grinding worth it, then give us a reason to grind. Being able to race through a season would make the grinding a little easier to suffer through.
Sebring, sugo, motegi and okayama so we can run all the michelin endurance cup races and full super gt custom races is the dream
 
How a team with the experience of PD can look at what they've delivered and think it is anywhere near acceptable is beyond me. Any one of us could put together fantastic Missions, Endurance races, Drift challenges, Drag races and traditional GT events which use every aspect of the games feature set. Everything is there to make a 10/10 title, all it takes is some care & attention from Kaz & PD.
I mentioned they should let us share custom races and tunes. I’m sure some people have put together some fun custom races. They’d need to up the payout otherwise nobody would bother playing them.

PD is addicted to making people earn in game credits. Why can’t they just let us buy two of the same car, let’s say the 1969 Nissan 432 Z, tune both differently, make a several liveries, apply those different liveries to the AI cars and build a custom race that way?

You need two because even on Professional you can kick their butt at the same performance points so you must tune yours lower than the AI. But at least to fill the race with different looking cars you wouldn’t need to buy 10 of the same car and tune them all the same. Tons of money put out for like $5000 for the win.

It’s stuff like that which frustrates users. One thing that frustrates me is while I like those Historic Races, it’s only on certain tracks. If there were a historic race on every single track I’d probably run each one once every weekend or throughout the week.

Anyway, really really really hoping we see a new track in the next update, customizable HUD (ability to move items around) and ability to share tunes and/or gift cars. That would leave me fairly satisfied with the game and probably wouldn’t care much for any updates from that point on besides tracks and cool vintage cars.
 
On each track there should be some kind of well paid race, like sardegna, SPA etc
Shouldn’t be some kind of well paid race. All races should be equal. I don’t see the problem in paying out for time. Sardegna on average takes 25-27 minutes. Call it 25 minutes. Roughly $30,000 a minute. Heck make it $20,000 per minute racing. Then we can log on, enter any race we so choose and not have to feel ripped off every time we enter a race other than the big four.

The crazy part is, that Nord historic race I think it is, I found difficult when I did it a few months back (not familiar with the track) it pays peanuts for how long it takes. So it’s not a difficulty thing, Sardegna I could race in my sleep and still win by a minute and a half. Goodwood mini challenge was more of a challenge than lemans, spa or Sardegna. Day one release, the goodwood mini challenge paid out almost equivalent to Sardegna for time. I know, I use to run it, not for the money but for the fun. The good payout was a bonus and I didn’t always get CRB.
 
For last few months I have been racing only these 3 races: sardegna, SPA and Le Mans. 250 hours. The reason is my desire to have the whole collection of cars. I still need "only" 60 milion. I just can't joy any other race knowing that I could earn more in one of these three.

So, the combination of very expensive cars and lack of variety of well paid events made me a grinding zombie.

I hate GT7 for boring grind and also love the game for beeing so good.

After I collect all cars I will play online and solo time trials just for fun. Finally, after moths of grind.
 
Because of all the complaining and whining the next update will have a punishment car pack:
  • Fiat Multipla ’02
  • Pontiac Aztek ’01
  • SsangYong Rodius ’04
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I mentioned they should let us share custom races and tunes. I’m sure some people have put together some fun custom races. They’d need to up the payout otherwise nobody would bother playing them.

PD is addicted to making people earn in game credits. Why can’t they just let us buy two of the same car, let’s say the 1969 Nissan 432 Z, tune both differently, make a several liveries, apply those different liveries to the AI cars and build a custom race that way?

You need two because even on Professional you can kick their butt at the same performance points so you must tune yours lower than the AI. But at least to fill the race with different looking cars you wouldn’t need to buy 10 of the same car and tune them all the same. Tons of money put out for like $5000 for the win.

It’s stuff like that which frustrates users. One thing that frustrates me is while I like those Historic Races, it’s only on certain tracks. If there were a historic race on every single track I’d probably run each one once every weekend or throughout the week.

Anyway, really really really hoping we see a new track in the next update, customizable HUD (ability to move items around) and ability to share tunes and/or gift cars. That would leave me fairly satisfied with the game and probably wouldn’t care much for any updates from that point on besides tracks and cool vintage cars.
I don’t understand PD’s logic. It makes no sense on any level. Some will say it’s to encourage MTX purchases, but we can all earn plenty of credits with grinding events and Time Trials.

It would be nice to enjoy all aspects of this game. PD put so much work into their cars and technology but we don’t have anywhere to race that contributes to the broader single-player experience.

Very simple structural changes would transform GT7, changes that wouldn’t be reliant upon a content dump (we have to think PD are holding back lots for GT8).

Does no one from PD read this forum or social media? There could be a language barrier. But I’m sure many are proficient in basic English, there are many devs & staff based in Europe and the US.

You would think working for PD is a source of pride and a career highlight for many. They must be aware of the issues and want to deliver the best product possible. Either they’re being frustrated by Kaz & management to make much needed changes in a timely manner. Or the team lacks the pride & passion Gran Turismo was once known for.

All the more frustrating when you see other teams in the genre communicating with their playerbase at every opportunity. Nothing would make me happier if PD have been working on something special and surprise us all. But I’m afraid the continued silence and lack of improvements/content looks very bad for Kaz, PD, PlayStation.

It’s not befitting of any 1st party studio in 2023. Certainly not one in charge of such an important franchise for Sony. Maybe it’s time to make those management changes every other long-standing PS Studios team has undergone?
 
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