Thanks Mitch for the encouragement. If I hadn't been reading these threads, I wouldn't have someone help tune these critters where they were tame enough to drive. My son since he was a teen hated to drive my cars. He always said they were too twitchy, now I understand his complaints. I have always made the cars low & stiff. Guess even an old fool can learn, if willing to listen.
I used to get that vacuum cleaner & never used it. It was a joke around the house. Someone else had to open my gift cars on GT5 or I'd get a vacuum cleaner. Seems I was missing out on a decent car that I was ruining.
Don't think I can go much further with it on Monza with The DS3. Need to buy a wheel & pedal set. Didn't know any better & bought the 430 Scuderia edition (thrustmaster) that was a waste of cash. I'm not even sure my grandsons will enjoy it. At least if they take it it's out of my way.
No need for buying a wheel for like 1/2 seconds on a track, you can do that without a wheel my friend. I'll give you some advice I hope it helps, I'm .26.7 but I've space to shave it under 26 easy, so,
• Main straight, there you'll have max speed, brake in the middle of the 200m mark (first mark on the left) and be4 that mark you'll see a orange Thing
, so, brake in the middle with shifting hard to the 1st gear!
• First Chikane,
I'll usually brake hard till entry then I hit the hand brake to get better angle for the apex, and in the middle of the first right hander you can hit again hand brake or without it go through the next left hander wide on the cerbs, stay early on a throttle.
• Long right hander;
Coming from the first chicanes, go immediately left and and "aim"for the right hander, where the black tyre marks are, and when you get this one just stay full throttle throughout this one, don't worry , you wount go out of the track, easy following the exit to the left then go prepare the car for the next two chicanes.
•Two chicanes;
Brake on the first mark, (try directly on a 200m to brake), hard till 1st gear and again, hand brake, try to pissiotion the car as much as possible to the left hand side and then cut the right exit of the apex, (first gear) for a as much as possible straight/not flat exit but with solid rhythm!
•Lesmo 1;
Position your car on a left hand, hard brake to 1st gear and in the middle if the corner go hard into the corner, correction and better entry you can do with hand brake as well, stay on throttle as early as possible, grab bit cerb, avoiding spinning wheels, shift to 2nd gear!
• Lesmo 2;
Position your car on a left side if the track, brale hard (1st gear) then let you're car roll throught the Corner, try to go on a right apex cerb, after you hit the cerb hard throttle, hit the 2nd gear, grab a outer cerb smooth for better exit speed.
• Last three left-right-left;
Pissiotion your car on the right side of the track, on a second mark (I thing) hard brake till 1st gear, cut the inner cerb, with hand brake if you will, stay on a left hand side then don't go immediately into the right hander, wait a bit, then cut smooth the right hander and the following left hander, cuting cerb is must for a better exit speed.
• Parabolica;
I'm braking on 150m I thing, hard, till 1st gear, go deep into the Parabolica and try to go early as possible on the throttle. In the middle of the Parabolica shift up to second gear and roll with full power to the straight finish line.
My set up is from the 3rd or 4th page (search), gear box is set the max speed to 390, and by wish adjust the 3rd gear a bit!
* when I mention hand brake, the method is, first brake with your normal brake, then if you see that you miss the apex or something like that, then hit the hand brake, or if you're on a good line for a corner entryc for better entering into the corned bit the hand brake. Try few times to get the feel for it, you'll see it will improve your entry dramatically and exit as well.
I'm sry for a long post, I hope it will help you and every one who's struggling to get some improvements! Maybe I'm not competitive for writing this post, but momentaly I'm on 130 possiotion, till end of the session I'll try to get in the top 100, so, those are my thoughts how to do a lap!
I remember my first wheel. My g/f got it for me shortly after I got GT5 on release day. It was some off-brand, $60 wheel endorsed by Dale Earnhardt. 
I knew little about steering wheels, or anything game related for that fact, so I really thought I was the bees knees with that wheel until I plugged the thing in and tried using it. 
It was complete and utter crap. 
I didn't even feel like wasting my time returning it or re-selling it, I just threw the thing in the dumpster. 
The less attention people give him/them because of his/their shenanigans, the better. Just report him and move on. By giving him the attention he craves, you are only playing into his hand. 
. Thank you 
