Anyone planning to drop GT5?

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Anyone planning on dropping GT5?

  • Yes

    Votes: 105 12.2%
  • No

    Votes: 672 78.1%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 83 9.7%

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Well, often impressions change when we get a product. When I got my three Forza games - still the only XBox games I own - my emotions did quite the rollercoaster, let me tell you. Rather like our Stock Market curves. It is really sad that F3 is so messed up because I constantly want to make a race car out of some car in GT5, and think of trying to find something similar in Forza 3 to work on. Then the reality of how freaking LONG it takes to slog through the decal list hits me, and I go back to racing in GT5.

Maybe F4 is going to be the real deal. If it has no serious bugs or issues to speak of, I'll be wondering if T10 finally implemented a drug testing policy! :lol:
 
vandaliser
it's just not the cockpit views that look **** in forza. Look the cars themselves. some of them are modelled incorrectly like the enzo for instance. The lighting and shading on their cars looks completely off during real time gameplay.

After 4 forza games is this the best they can do?

Not only that the cars in Forza sound like gas powered RC cars, and tire screeches sound like an airplane landing gear skidding. Then riding in the sand off track moves the same speed as if you were on Grass.....
 
Slip, you might regret making such an authoritative remark with no basis for knowing it to be true. One example is the Ford GT which I believe had the same modeling flaws from Forza 1, in particular, the missing nose vane on the right side when you applied the body kit to it. Now my 360 is in a bag where it's been since December 2009 and I have no intention in my limited time tonight to bother to wire and fire the thing up to make sure, but it was definitely ported over to Forzxa 2.

I shouldn't have to restate this, but then again, considering your penchant for utterly ignoring comments that might not line up with your own thoughts on a matter (like the repeated baiting in the FM vs GT thread), I suppose I'll have to; show me a model that was in FM1, that has had no polygon increase or increased texture quality, in FM3. The Ford GT issue is not the same thing - though again, that sort of glitch has a similar co-relation in GT5, as it's just a modelling error. The R8 Chromeline having a V8 for instance, or the Acura NSX having the 02+ taillights (though that's been fixed).

Now as far as models go, Forza's ported models look fine, cockpits aside, and I know how much the Standard haters... hate them in GT5, but honestly, I couldn't care less what they think or feel. The Forza fans sure don't care about any of the issues with their game series, so why should Forza - the whole series mind you - get a pass but GT not?

I see you're still singing the same tune with your fingers thoroughly jammed in your ears. That's your choice, but making up false info for the sake of furthering some argument won't help you much.

And as for your remarks about your 2200 replays bogging down in GT5, and not seeing any difference with "the same thing" in Forza 3, I happen to have a very late model PC I built with a pair of nifty SATA drives, and the whole thing runs pretty fast. But getting thumbs to load of images in my photo folders takes a few minutes. In this, GT5's file handling is similar. But compared to the file handling in ForZa 3 on the 360, there is no comparison to the sluggish behavior I have to endure with just 170 livery elements and 200 some odd pics. I can get to any of my 1600 Standard cars, replays, photos on my PS3 in about a minute, but it was triple that on my 360, or worse, and that after the file fix was issued.

This really should be dealt with in the thread related to my comment. But to keep it brief - it was a question, not a statement. "Reading comprehension", indeed.

I think we would both agree that Forza 4 needs to be as fast as GT5 in file handling, or faster, but with the wonky design of the 360, I'd be happy with any improvement in file speed.

Anyhow, I'm off to join in the festivities in the 2.0 thread! :dopey:

That I'll agree with, with the caveat I fully expect longer load times for something like liveries and vinyl designs compared to GT hanging for nearly a minute just to load a text list of paint chips. Or the waste of time I get having to get to any prize cars...

Oh, I think we're all excited for the 2.0 update, that there is no argument.
 
Cant agree with the metallica bit, The black album was outstanding in every way.................. It was AFTER that is where they lost it.. I'm a master of puppets justice guy but Black was great. Just because it's not thrash doesn't make it bad... Close minded much? Even load was good, some underrated songs like bleeding me, outlaw torn. Metallica were more concerned with making good mucis then appeasing a few close minded thrash fans.

Yes it's not Thrash, and yes it's not a "bad" album per se (altho it was the first album with a song I hated "don't tread on me" is AWFUL). But as a guitarist I appreciated the technical difficulty of thrash metal. Black simplified things....they sold out. Yes, there are very good songs on load and reload (completely agree with the two you mention, "the house Jack built" is a fave too). BUT.....using Bob Rock was a disaster, WTF did that gimp know about Metal? Heavy Rock maybe but not Metal. most of those songs could have been tweaked with a harder edge and been better. Hetfields..."Woah's" and "Yeah's" and "Baby's" on those albums just make me ****ing cringe.

it's just not the cockpit views that look **** in forza. Look the cars themselves. some of them are modelled incorrectly like the enzo for instance. The lighting and shading on their cars looks completely off during real time gameplay.

After 4 forza games is this the best they can do?

Maybe they put a bit more power into actually getting good racing out of the Ai?

Not only that the cars in Forza sound like gas powered RC cars, and tire screeches sound like an airplane landing gear skidding. Then riding in the sand off track moves the same speed as if you were on Grass.....
Criticising Forza's sound...REALLY???

you two are serious fanboys <-- not a compliment
 
Not only that the cars in Forza sound like gas powered RC cars, and tire screeches sound like an airplane landing gear skidding. Then riding in the sand off track moves the same speed as if you were on Grass.....

You must be either out of your mind of just too mad that your beloved is getting outshined by the fm series. Just listen too this and tell me the cars sound worse than in GT5. Here this will refresh your memory



it's just not the cockpit views that look **** in forza. Look the cars themselves. some of them are modelled incorrectly like the enzo for instance. The lighting and shading on their cars looks completely off during real time gameplay.

After 4 forza games is this the best they can do?

I presume you are talking about fm3 with the bad lighting. Well newsflash FM4 will drop within two weeks.
And looking at this Gt5 will be demolished, chewed and spat out 3 times over if they dont come correct with 2.0 and you know it...



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I already did drop it, months ago. This isn't a whine - I am a huge, long-term fan of Gran Turismo, and I really enjoyed playing GT5 for a while. For some reason I have felt no urge to play it, at all, for many months.
 
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And looking at this Gt5 will be demolished, chewed and spat out 3 times over if they dont come correct with 2.0 and you know it...
I love any statement on the internet that ends with, "and you know it".
Vadaliser doesn't know it, just as you don't know FM isn't the greatest thing ever.
You believe it.
I think to say either's graphics (premiums for GT5) are significantly better then the other's is untrue.
 
I see you're still singing the same tune with your fingers thoroughly jammed in your ears. That's your choice, but making up false info for the sake of furthering some argument won't help you much.
All right, I'm calling you out. What am I lying about?
 
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You must be either out of your mind of just too mad that your beloved is getting outshined by the fm series. Just listen too this and tell me the cars sound worse than in GT5. Here this will refresh your memory



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Well, they cheated with Forza 3. Forza 2 was more impressive for me, and didn't have the abhorrent NFS styling, either.

FM2 had individual intake / engine and exhaust sounds for exterior shots, as well as varying sounds for upgrades.
FM3 mixed the intake and exhaust sound together as one source and the sounds don't change with upgrades, outside of engine swaps and aspiration changes.

That's significantly fewer sounds to balance in FM3 compared to FM2, never mind GT5 (read: more time spent per mix).
GT5 takes the same approach FM2 did, only the engine / intake sound is only "engine", no intake, which is a massive error perpetuated since the second game.

I don't like the increased NFS-ism exhibited in the sound bites from FM4 so far, but I wonder if they've stopped cheating now.
 
Really stop trying to poke holes in forza as a gt fan i have to say F4 is gonna pwn all get out of denial every1. 2.0 isnt gonna bring a third of what F4 has, but i can hope and pray that it does
 
I can't understand people who always praise the engine sound in FM3? Sure, it sounds meaner and louder, but does it sound better and more accurate?

FM3 lacked the idle sound, and the "sound engine" was awful. I couldn't watch any replays in FM3 because of that. The sound in the replays were the same sound you heard when you were racing in cockpit view with, and the game had no doppler effect whatsoever.

So my opinion is, the engine sound isn't great in any of the two games.
 
Really stop trying to poke holes in forza as a gt fan i have to say F4 is gonna pwn all get out of denial every1. 2.0 isnt gonna bring a third of what F4 has, but i can hope and pray that it does

I think the question is will F4 bring a 1/3 of what gt5 has? Already has phototravel clone, lighting, special events clone....i'd say its half way there right? :) Competition is great people. For 3 iterations forza had almost the same lighting but Turn stepped up there game after the othergame came out. Be glad. I know i am. If my buddy came over i could easily convince him Forza 4 is an updated GT5. Actually, i'll try that.
 
ocalot2k5
I think the question is will F4 bring a 1/3 of what gt5 has? Already has phototravel clone, lighting, special events clone....i'd say its half way there right? :) Competition is great people. For 3 iterations forza had almost the same lighting but Turn stepped up there game after the othergame came out. Be glad. I know i am. If my buddy came over i could easily convince him Forza 4 is an updated GT5. Actually, i'll try that.

A 1/3? Forza 3 brought three times the amount of content that gt5 had and it came out a year earlier. It may have had only half the cars but really? How many different versions of a car do you need? 500 is plenty
 
A 1/3? Forza 3 brought three times the amount of content that gt5 had and it came out a year earlier. It may have had only half the cars but really? How many different versions of a car do you need? 500 is plenty

Three times the amount of content? Who are you kidding?
 
Fredde_swe
Three times the amount of content? Who are you kidding?

Events wise Forza had a lot more than that.

Not sure what else he's talking about.
 
ocalot2k5
Really? Since we are talking content buddy....Did forza have anything like GT5 special events?

Here we go.

You mean the Internet connection events yes.

If you do then no. Thank goodness. I wouldn't even class them as racing.

Event is probably the correct title.

Forza had weekly hot lap challenges and livery competitions though.
 
Here we go.

You mean the Internet connection events yes.

If you do then no. Thank goodness. I wouldn't even class them as racing.

Event is probably the correct title.

Forza had weekly hot lap challenges and livery competitions though.

Really, Not racing? It had a nascar event where your given tips by a nascar pro? It had an amg event where your shown how to navigate the most important corners on the green hell then eventually race the whole thing while passing an infinite amount of cars on track? (Forza 4 has that now) It has a special event where you had to beat a lap time by a pro driver again? Not done yet, the top gear track event, Gran tour accros rome, kart racing event, point to point rally and also some on snow. My point? GRAN TURISMO 5 HAS CONTENT. Lets not get carried away here.
Oh, and i havent even mentioned the A-spec or B-spec or the seasonal events updated periodically by PD!!! oh boy.
 
Until Forza stops trying to be both a sim and arcade game and is designed for wheels no I'm not dropping GT5, forza still lacks in the physics/handling dept.
 
Here we go.

You mean the Internet connection events yes.

If you do then no. Thank goodness. I wouldn't even class them as racing.

Event is probably the correct title.

Forza had weekly hot lap challenges and livery competitions though.

So, you dis-credt GT5's weekly content and praise forza's? Sorry, hard to take this bias seriously. There are also time and drift trials weekly...
 
ocalot2k5
Really, Not racing? It had a nascar event where your given tips by a nascar pro? It had an amg event where your shown how to navigate the most important corners on the green hell then eventually race the whole thing while passing an infinite amount of cars on track? (Forza 4 has that now) It has a special rally event where you had to beat a lap time by a pro driver again? Not done yet, the top gear track event, kart racing event, point to point rally and also some on snow. My point? GRAN TURISMO 5 HAS CONTENT. Lets not get carried away here.
Oh, and i havent even mentioned the A-spec or B-spec or the seasonal events updated periodically by PD!!! oh boy.

Top of my head Forza has around 100 events to my knowledge.

Some events are broken up into 8 races or so.

Not sure how many GT has.
I was only suggesting what the poster was getting at with more content.

Couldn't give a damn if GT has 101.
 
Top of my head Forza has around 100 events to my knowledge.

Some events are broken up into 8 races or so.

Not sure how many GT has.
I was only suggesting what the poster was getting at with more content.

Couldn't give a damn if GT has 101.

My point is GT5 events are not your normal race from point A to B events. They are really different. On different terrains, cars, weather, rules you name it.
 
ocalot2k5
My point is GT5 events are not your normal race from point A to B events. They are really different. On different terrains, cars, weather, rules you name it.

What different rules? Excuse my ignorance.
 
Well, they cheated with Forza 3. Forza 2 was more impressive for me, and didn't have the abhorrent NFS styling, either.

FM2 had individual intake / engine and exhaust sounds for exterior shots, as well as varying sounds for upgrades.
FM3 mixed the intake and exhaust sound together as one source and the sounds don't change with upgrades, outside of engine swaps and aspiration changes.

That's significantly fewer sounds to balance in FM3 compared to FM2, never mind GT5 (read: more time spent per mix).
GT5 takes the same approach FM2 did, only the engine / intake sound is only "engine", no intake, which is a massive error perpetuated since the second game.

I don't like the increased NFS-ism exhibited in the sound bites from FM4 so far, but I wonder if they've stopped cheating now.

Agreed but the argument was about FM3 sounds being terrible either way its better than gt5. Shoft engine noise was just too much every car sounded like a racingmonster.

Top of my head Forza has around 100 events to my knowledge.
290 Events in Fm3

I can't understand people who always praise the engine sound in FM3? Sure, it sounds meaner and louder, but does it sound better and more accurate?

Yes clearly.

Bam!
FM3 lacked the idle sound, and the "sound engine" was awful.

Rubbish:tdown:
 
Agreed but the argument was about FM3 sounds being terrible either way its better than gt5. Shoft engine noise was just too much every car sounded like a racingmonster.


290 Events in Fm3



Yes clearly.

Bam!


Rubbish:tdown:

Great, you found a car that sound decent.

About the idle sound, listen to this. Doesn't sound like a 1000hp v8 to me



Compare it to this


And about your videos, can you hear any doppler effect in the replay? I can't, and they use almost the same sound for cockpit view and chase cam. FM3 have some great samples, yes, but the engine is rubbish compared to the sound engine in GT5. In my opinion the sound was much better in Forza 2.
 
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Great, you found a car that sound decent.
And about your videos, can you hear any doppler effect in the replay? I can't, and they use almost the same sound for cockpit view and chase cam. FM3 have some great samples, yes, but the engine isn't rubbish compared to the sound engine in GT5. In my opinion the sound was much better in Forza 2.

Whatever makes you sleep at night..

Btw you really picked the worst offscreen video i ever saw.
That 458 sounds Exactly like its supposed too sound. First time i heard raced that car in Gt5 even my girlfriend asked me what the duck was wrong with the sound :sick:

Trust me have gt5 since launch so don't make ish up.
 
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Whatever makes you sleep at night..

Btw you really picked the worst offscreen video i ever saw.
That 458 sounds Exactly like its supposed too sound. First time i heard raced that car in Gt5 even my girlfriend asked me what the duck was wrong with the sound :sick:

Trust me have gt5 since launch so don't make ish up.

Listen to this then:)



I know, I only pick the worst case scenario. Wanna know why? I'm tired of people who claims that the sound in FM3 is perfect. It's great overall, it's better than GT5's sound in many aspects. But itsn't perfect, not at all.
 
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