Bad day for groups of Seven yesterday...

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The one thing I can't stand about the 'States is that the damn media here is obsessed with only info that either has to do with our methods of getting oil(can be distantly related, but still is related), where our military is, or domestic problems. The only way I found out about the 7 Canadians was by seeing it in a column on the BBC...
 
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Post three shows how naive rjensen11 is. Jensen, if you could remember Challenger you'd understand why this is such a national tragedy, and why the media covers it so much.
 
I agree with M5Power - this goes far beyond the loss of seven people. The space program is a symbol of human endeavour, and as close as we get to pure science as we get these days. Losses like this that imperil the program are tragedies at a much higher level than simply the loss of seven lives.

For example, we had pretty big time rail derailment just south of Sydney last Friday morning, and that news got pushed down the order on Sunday morning (Australian time) with the Columbia news - and I don't have a problem with that.
 
You know guys, I dont know if these were rumours, but anyways... they said that the Columbia was a really old spaceship, dated from the 60's. This thing was not supposed to make more trips to outerspace. They totally revamped it, but it still was old. So they send this group of seven people expecting them not to return. Thats why they didnt make such a big deal about welcoming them. They were surprised to see the thing returning to earth, but at the end, it blew up. They said some of the backwings was broken during the fall, and that inflicted even more damage in the engine back and balance.
 
I don't know what you are talking about, but Columbia was built in 1979, and first flew 82 for the sole purpose of flying into space. Which it had done successfully over 20 times. The basic design of the shuttles have remained the same except updated computers and other equipment. Which must be the revamping you are talking about.

As far as them returning, they had the normal welcoming party out at the run way as they always do. NASA officals, and the famlies of those aboard. They wouldn't have the families on the runway if they didn't expect it to return home. As a matter of fact, the welcoming committee didn't leave the runway until 2 min after the shuttle was suppose to touch down at JFK and NASA didn't start looking at it as a loss until then.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
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Post three shows how naive rjensen11 is. Jensen, if you could remember Challenger you'd understand why this is such a national tragedy, and why the media covers it so much.

I know it's tragic and stuff, but still, I havn't even seen one US source mention Canada for a long time... The only other place we hear about people dieing is in Israel...
 
Originally posted by rjensen11
I know it's tragic and stuff, but still, I havn't even seen one US source mention Canada for a long time... The only other place we hear about people dieing is in Israel...
Has there ever been fair reason to mention Canada? Not much happens up there (especially politically!) - and I'm not being facetious.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Has there ever been fair reason to mention Canada? Not much happens up there (especially politically!) - and I'm not being facetious.

Maybe M5POWER should you stop looking at the world with a typical narrow minded american point of view. The world doesn't begin and end at the U.S. borders. Travel a bit and you might learn something about the world. If you only rely on the U.S. media you'll never realize what your missing. Americans seem to think Canada is the 51st state, well it's not. The two countries are very different in size and attitude, especially the different way the two countries view the ENTIRE world. Canada sees things as more global community.While the U.S. only sees a ways to advance their own agenda. I live close to the N.Y. state border and it always amazes me at the sheer ignorance of americans, a great example was at a local pub where american go because of the lower legal driking age. A student from Plattsburg state told me she was amazed that we didn't have snow yearound, this was in mid-July, Plattsburg state is 35 minutes away. Please don't comment on anything that happens outside the U.S. it just proves my point. Not all americans are narrow minded but they just don't seem to care what happens elsewhere except in their own little part of the world.
 
Originally posted by freerider
Maybe M5POWER should you stop looking at the world with a typical narrow minded american point of view. The world doesn't begin and end at the U.S. borders. Travel a bit and you might learn something about the world. If you only rely on the U.S. media you'll never realize what your missing. Americans seem to think Canada is the 51st state, well it's not. The two countries are very different in size and attitude, especially the different way the two countries view the ENTIRE world. Canada sees things as more global community.


Not surprisingly, somebody immature and arrogant took my post to mean something it did not based on their own stereotype.

I say this: Idiot, re-read my post and actually answer the question I asked. Canada is not in a strategical position and never takes unpredictable positions in wars, if they even fight in the wars. Canadian politics are boring, elections are plain, simple, and again, Canada is not important in that their political actions namely mean nothing worldwide. Canada's large cities are much like American cities, their people much like Americans, and their lives similar to ours. So now I ask you, since you evidently know everything: (after all, you are what, sixteen?) What Canadian stories should the United States media be covering? Canadian sports? I hear the National Hockey League's got a few Canadian teams that are failing. Enlighten me with your ever-present knowledge, oh great one. :rolleyes:

While the U.S. only sees a ways to advance their own agenda. I live close to the N.Y. state border and it always amazes me at the sheer ignorance of americans,

Yes, well, you're extremely intelligent yourself - what with saying other people are ignorant.

Not all americans are narrow minded but they just don't seem to care what happens elsewhere except in their own little part of the world.

How's this, Idiot: I know more of what goes on in the world than you, and that's a fact. And the reason I can say this as fact is that you've not only clearly generalised an entire population based on naive stereotypes from a country very similar to your own, but that you don't even understand - or could bother to answer - a simple question that I posed without going off on a tangent about how much you think Americans are narrow-minded. The reason, Idiot, you perceive Americans in the way that you do is probably because of your generalisations - not theirs.

Now - let's go back to the original question and see if you finally have an answer. What is newsworthy that occurs in Canada?
 
Well the IDIOT isn't 16, Obviously I'm not as well educated as you. My only real education came from 8 years in the Canadian military in **** holes like Bosnia, Central America, Zaire, Rwanda, and Afghanistan teaching the superior american forces how to stay alive, it's pretty tough teaching you guys when all I have to offer is experience(especially since Canada has never been in a war). The problem with the our boring, plain elections is that they always seem to get settled with Votes, not in court. I never said all americans were ignorant, just some have narrow-minded points of view, from my experience traveling in your country. It's strange that you say that Canadian political actions mean nothing worldwide. Are they supposed to? Is our government supposed to influence other countries. When I wrote that post it wasn't meant to be an insult, only an eye opener. It was nothing directed at you personaly What's news worthy in Canada, not much, just a debate on whether I'm going to Iraq to be part of the coalition.

Peace M5POWER
 
What's news worthy in Canada, not much, just a debate on whether I'm going to Iraq to be part of the coalition.

My best friend's National Guard troop was called up yesterday (though he is in need of some Canadian forces to teach him how to stay alive ;)) so I know how you feel. If you do go, I wish you best of luck.
 
Cheers mate, do you know when he's shipping out? Might be soon, 14th February is the big day for everyone.
I guess we're like a couple of tomcats meeting-up, alot of screeching but no damage done. Best of luck to your Bud.
 
Originally posted by freerider
Cheers mate, do you know when he's shipping out? Might be soon, 14th February is the big day for everyone.



He actually got called up three days ago and left yesterday - they evidently don't get a lot of time to prepare!


I guess we're like a couple of tomcats meeting-up, alot of screeching but no damage done.




Fair analogy. :lol:

Best of luck to your Bud.



Best of luck to yourself, too, if you're deployed. 👍
 
Well, for the most part, Canadians are almost exactly like Americans. I have met people from both countries (I live in Canada) and they are the exact same people.

The only ones that are different are the ones that are thinking about it all the time. Like the patriots of each country.

I could care less, borders are meaningless to me.


I live a block away from one of the kids who died in that avalanche.

Now, as far as politics go, the American politicians are way more aggressive and thick headed. They dont want to show any weakness to their people because that doesnt look good.

The canadians let their politicians do what they do, because they are in control of the country, and they know whats best, NOT ME!

I really like Jean Cretien (Canadas Prime Minister). He is a very smart, self-afacing and methodical man. He doesnt waste his time trying to make people love him to death. In fact, he almost strangled someone in a crowd a few years ago. Some people who are for the most part, stupid, dont like him because he doesnt seem very pleasant or aesthetically pleasing. Well, thats not what I want in a leader.


After a fair amount of travelling I have done. I realize that people are basically the same all over the world. There are the same types of people everywhere, and that makes sense if you think about it. Peoples foundations are all the same, and you would do what anybody else on earth is doing if you were in their same situation.


I also believe that people become who they are purely on experience and environment. Knowone is born a morally superior person.

So if you were born to Saddam Husseins mother as Saddam Hussein, I dont care who you are now, the person that has experienced the life of Saddam Hussein is someone that believes what Saddam Hussein does. And people like that are bound to come around in this world.


This whole way of thinking is pretty abstract, and it would take about an hour conversation with someone to fully understand it.
 
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