Ban 'Gifting' Petition... Please sign.

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zero appreciation from who? how do you know? im guessing you've asked all 5 million buyers?



the game was almost meaningless from release from a career mode point, there was no gratification from winning races because not only is the prize credits poor not only canyou not re-win the prize car but it is also irrelevant to progression and not only that but they are mostly a bag of crap (midget anyone? how about midget in bspec too?) but they are also nearly exclusivley standard models, i didnt buy this game for ps2 cars! your view is strictly from a pissing contest view because its about how others view it, why cant you just enjoy this game? or is having a certain car that no one else have an extension of your manhood even if you dont really enjoy that car?


yes earning 20 million credtis to buy 1 car was such a great idea in the 1st place, do you know what the people who use the save back up exploit can do now? yes thats right! they can now do what they paid their hard earned on this game to do, ENJOY IT wow what a great idea, you should try it

Dude, you clearly don't get it. If you've got this much time to waste on here all day. Then go "earn" something in the game. Because I, along with many other's don't give a crap about what excuses you and many others come up with..... save the typing for someone who cares. You ARE exploiting the game to get cars YOU didn't earn. Do we NEED to spell it out more clearly for you?
 
you started your post by saying this

Just going say one thing.

then you ended it with this
Also some of you are right this is a waste of time, people dont understand the meaning of a petition. You ether sign or get the hell out.

Signed
but before that you wrote this
We all payed the same price for the game but we obviously did not pay the same price to ear some of these cars.

This is console gamer mentality = cheat and get away with it.

Duping or exploiting on pc mp games has always always resulted in a ban or patch to fix the issue and often punish cheaters.

Always wanted to drive ferrari in rl but im broke maybe i should go ask one of the owners if he will dupe me one. Let you know how that goes.

Also some of you are right this is a waste of time, people dont understand the meaning of a petition. You ether sign or get the hell out.

At this point all car value is 0, and I dont blame cheaters its really the developers fault they should have seen it coming.

Signed
it seams that as well as confusing a game with real life and also letting something bother yoy that has no effect on you, you also dont practice what you are preaching to others! you guys are so pathetic its tragic, may this new year bring you a life
 
Dude, you clearly don't get it. If you've got this much time to waste on here all day. Then go "earn" something in the game. Because I, along with many other's don't give a crap about what excuses you and many others come up with..... save the typing for someone who cares. You ARE exploiting the game to get cars YOU didn't earn. Do we NEED to spell it out more clearly for you?


That's your opinion. It's no more or less valid then anyone else
 
Dude, you clearly don't get it. If you've got this much time to waste on here all day. Then go "earn" something in the game. Because I, along with many other's don't give a crap about what excuses you and many others come up with..... save the typing for someone who cares. You ARE exploiting the game to get cars YOU didn't earn. Do we NEED to spell it out more clearly for you?
People worked real jobs to get the money to buy the game, I'm pretty sure they've done enough by the time they buy the game to drive what they like, when they like.
 
who the hell cares!?

Play the game like you want and don´t look on the other guys!

I personally don´t like to do this Birthday glitch or trading glitch! BUT, I like to do it if I can´t get a car and/or will never get it!

The X2010 carbon for example! I will never get it, because I´m not that good with my controller!
So, thanks to the trading thread, I´m able to get one sometime.
Or spending 20Mio for one car! Its Ok to spend the money once, but to get all of them, it would take me years.
And I don´t want to wait that long, because there are plenty of other things I would like to do.....

Just don´t look at the others, clear and simple!
 
For all against this don't reply so the thread gets burried. If it is left on top PD might see it and act upon it no matter how many people are agains it.
 
Dude, you clearly don't get it. If you've got this much time to waste on here all day. Then go "earn" something in the game. Because I, along with many other's don't give a crap about what excuses you and many others come up with..... save the typing for someone who cares. You ARE exploiting the game to get cars YOU didn't earn. Do we NEED to spell it out more clearly for you?

You're the one who doesn't get it! It is absolutely none of your business how I chose to exploit a game I paid for with my hard earned cash.

Not everyone is a teenager with enough time to grind 24/7. People have lives.
 
Dude, you clearly don't get it. If you've got this much time to waste on here all day. Then go "earn" something in the game. Because I, along with many other's don't give a crap about what excuses you and many others come up with..... save the typing for someone who cares. You ARE exploiting the game to get cars YOU didn't earn. Do we NEED to spell it out more clearly for you?

dude, you clearly dont get it, no one cares about you crying your self to sleep because you can no longer compete in a pissing contest because everyone can get the same cars as you, they are not excuses, apart from endurance races i've completed the game so i've put my time in, but heres the thing, i bought this game to enjoy it and i enjoyed it a hell of a lot more thanks to the expoit, and why are you so botheredhow people got their cars, do people come and knock on your door and when you answer they just go 'HAHAHAH I GOT GOT CARS FOR FREE WHICH YOU EARNED' hmm is that why it bothers you? because if that isnt happenning i dont see how it effects you to the point you are clearly bothered, i'll do you a deal, reinburse me my money i paid for the game then i'll play it how YOU want me to play it, i've cheated no one, it isnt cheating because i could have the same amount of cars if i put a gazzilion hours into it, those cars will not take me to a magical part of the game that you cant get to,

If you've got this much time to waste on here all day. Then go "earn" something in the game.?

so now you've told us how to play the game you also want to tell me how to spend my day? perhaps you should go enjoy the game rather than worry about how people enjoy their own property, you need a life dude if gifting bothers you, you obviously dont have one bcause you feel that gifting has cheapened your gt5 acheivments which just shows gaming is your life,just look whatsin you sig ' Red Bull X1 owner ( earned it! ) Miles Driven 77,161.2' so the x1 is a status symbol to you is it, pathetic, i dont have it because its not a car that has a place in my car, i just want to enjoy the game, get out and get some fresh air son
 
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I still can't understand the corrupted morality of those in this thread (and others like it) who can't live and let live. No good reasons have been presented to support why this should be banned, you simply think you know what is right and want to force your beliefs on every one else driven by hate.

Perhaps you try to justify your hate by saying "we don't hate the people just what they do" but the fact remains you are petty hate filled people and the irony is the people you hate (or hate the actions of) see your morality as abhorrent and some of us see you as among the worst examples of existence.

It is bad enough that these kind of morality debates exist in real life but get a grip people, it is just a game. Live and let live.
 
For all against this don't reply so the thread gets burried. If it is left on top PD might see it and act upon it no matter how many people are agains it.

If PD see a thread, I trust them to read more than only the title of a thread and how many replies it has...
 
Dude, you clearly don't get it. If you've got this much time to waste on here all day. Then go "earn" something in the game. Because I, along with many other's don't give a crap about what excuses you and many others come up with..... save the typing for someone who cares. You ARE exploiting the game to get cars YOU didn't earn. Do we NEED to spell it out more clearly for you?

Unless you've earned the, what, 200 million necessary... how are you buying every X1 colour? Using the exploit?

Need I remind people (again) that duplicating was possible before the saves were unlocked. The difference now is that people who want to backup their save to avoid having it corrupted and losing everything can now do that.

I can only imagine what epic level of whinging would've happened if these members were around for earlier GT games, where the DexDrive or SharkPort meant we could all share the same exact save.
 
If PD see a thread, I trust them to read more than only the title of a thread and how many replies it has...

if they take any features away that have made this game more enjoyable for me before they give me the game they actually made me believe i was buying im gona make a lot of noise,














or just demand my money back
 
While I agree that gifting is cheap and ruins the skill factor, I prefer to keep gifiting in tact. Why? Because I am not cheating and I like the fact that friends can give each other cars for gifts. If you prefer to feel the satsifaction of completing everything yourself, than don't use the exploit and don't help others do it.

Now the problem is the unfair advantage this may give someone in online. That is why there are power and weight restrictions options in place to allow you to make an even playing field.

this.
 
Unless you've earned the, what, 200 million necessary... how are you buying every X1 colour? Using the exploit?

Need I remind people (again) that duplicating was possible before the saves were unlocked. The difference now is that people who want to backup their save to avoid having it corrupted and losing everything can now do that.

I can only imagine what epic level of whinging would've happened if these members were around for earlier GT games, where the DexDrive or SharkPort meant we could all share the same exact save.

You don't have to remind me of nothing. I been in this game since day one. What you see as whining goes to should you as a mod of this site. Clearly they pick kids who support anything. Yes I know you cheat the system too. You are not better or worse then the rest. Can't earn it so go exploit it.

Talking about whinnying little kids. You and all the rest with your daily "excuses" of why you can't play the game correctly. Of course this is going to happen when legit players and players that look for exploits come together. Then you are a fine example of that too as a mod. As I've said before, the mistake PD did here was make it open ended to be abused like this. So it's not all the players looking to cheat the system fault. So don't take it as so much hate to you guys. The thread here is about PD fixing the issue. Not having the exploiting players come in and talk about all the excuses or reasons why they cannot play this game legitimately. Which I for one call total BS on. Why? Because you think everyone else here doesn't work? Doesn't have school, other factors in real life to address on a daily basis?

By the way, unless you have more then 3 decades of hardcore gaming under your belt. Then you having nothing remotely close to I. I still own all my consoles dating back to 1982. Even my first at 1978 which was a hand held. So please save the "kid " comments for someone else.

Fact reminds no matter how you address it. You either play legit or you don't.
 
Totally agree with this, all the gifting free cars is ruining the exclusivity.
 
Fact remains "legit" is a matter of perspective. This isn't much different to a petition to remove Skid Recovery.
 
By the way, unless you have more then 3 decades of hardcore gaming under your belt. Then you having nothing remotely close to I. I still own all my consoles dating back to 1982. Even my first at 1978 which was a hand held. So please save the "kid " comments for someone else.

Fact reminds no matter how you address it. You either play legit or you don't.

I have the same amount of years in, so my view must be important, right?

The fact remains, you either enjoy your gaming experience or you don't.

Those who are 'exploiting' are enjoying it. Those who don't feel the need to exploit are enjoying it. Those who are crying because the other kids don't play by their rules don't seem to be enjoying themselves, judging from the whining going on around the forum.
 
When you take away freedoms, you take away what it means to be human.
 
lol, since I dont trade or gift or use this whatsoever.. I would love to see that, but im sure PD will fix this glich, only question is - "how much time do they need"? its chaos out there.
 
Fact reminds no matter how you address it. You either play legit or you don't.

And how is that any of your business? Who are you to tell others how they should enjoy their game?

This nonsense would have made sense if it was about morality vs ethics. But it's not. It's as baseless and hopeless as a crusade.
 
now that save game data is unlocked, has become a total mockery. However, the alternative of locking the game save again is a FAR worse evil, IMO.

Not that I actually scam the system, but I actually like trading cars with my friends. And the thought of hours of gaming potentially being lost in not a good one.

So no, I wont sign this.
 
This thread should be close. I'm not signing for this since that's going to ruin GT5.
 
why do you car how others get their cars / or whatever . Play your game and dont worry about others .
 
Im on the opposite end of the spectrum. If anything, we should be allowed to gift more items/cars per day, I dont use exploits anyway.
 
I have the same amount of years in, so my view must be important, right?

The fact remains, you either enjoy your gaming experience or you don't.

Those who are 'exploiting' are enjoying it. Those who don't feel the need to exploit are enjoying it. Those who are crying because the other kids don't play by their rules don't seem to be enjoying themselves, judging from the whining going on around the forum.

Like I was addressing you in that quote? You people are so funny. You cheat and turn a blind eye to it, lol. So you are a cheater. Not much of a surprise nowadays. I mean anything online has cheaters, glitchers, boosters and exploiters. Just like life, some humans can't do it unless they find an easy path. Won't make you a level 40 player still now will it?

again, get all the cars in the game you like how ever. But this thread is about PD fixing it so there is no black market. So the online is not flooded with X1's. Unless everyone just makes rooms with limits. Either way, I think these talks are pointless for all.
 
By the way, unless you have more then 3 decades of hardcore gaming under your belt. Then you having nothing remotely close to I. I still own all my consoles dating back to 1982. Even my first at 1978 which was a hand held. So please save the "kid " comments for someone else.

Fact reminds no matter how you address it. You either play legit or you don't.

Thank you, for before your post I was merely a wanderer on a pointless path. Now that I have found a gaming messiah(i.e. you by your logic) I now have found the right pointless path to continue my pointless journey.

Also, you can take away gifting, but you can never take my X2010*!!!!!!!!!!

*I'm using the X2010 to practice for the Red Bull challenge where I will win one "legitimately". Until I get there though I'm going to continue having fun racing online with my duped cars against my friends duped cars and that's something that's hard to argue against as I'm too busy doing that "FUN" thing everyone is talking about(you should try it, it's quite enjoyable).
 
You don't have to remind me of nothing. I been in this game since day one. What you see as whining goes to should you as a mod of this site. Clearly they pick kids who support anything. Yes I know you cheat the system too. You are not better or worse then the rest. Can't earn it so go exploit it.

:rolleyes:

I have all golds on the licenses (which I achieved within 24 hours of having the game). I did it, again, on a secondary save. I've golded all the Special Events, again, on both saves. My GTP_Registry save is sitting at levels 33/31 right now, my secondary (which is actually my main PS3 account), is at 26/0. I have... 4 endurances left in B-Spec, and 8 in A-Spec, on that GTP account.

Yep, I've duplicated cars; I sent an X1 to my secondary account, and an FGT. Should I really have to grind for both of them again when I've already achieved it? Because PD saw fit to not allow us to copy saves originally, I was more than a bit annoyed that my two PSN accounts would have to have separate saves. This fixes it somewhat.

Talking about whinnying little kids. You and all the rest with your daily "excuses" of why you can't play the game correctly.

Please, point me to where there's a write up on what constitutes "correctly". You still haven't answered; how'd you buy all the coloured X1's? There's literally no way to have earned enough credits to buy them all this quickly after the game's been out.

Of course this is going to happen when legit players and players that look for exploits come together. Then you are a fine example of that too as a mod. As I've said before, the mistake PD did here was make it open ended to be abused like this. So it's not all the players looking to cheat the system fault. So don't take it as so much hate to you guys.

This reeks of back-peddling after countless posts from you specifically doing just that (the "hate to you guys" bit). You've even taken to heading into threads for no other purpose than to criticize those in there in the Marketplace. So no, it isn't just about the mistake PD made, at least evidently for you.

The thread here is about PD fixing the issue. Not having the exploiting players come in and talk about all the excuses or reasons why they cannot play this game legitimately. Which I for one call total BS on. Why? Because you think everyone else here doesn't work? Doesn't have school, other factors in real life to address on a daily basis?

Again, define "legitimately". I can enter a Veyron in the hot hatch race: PD left that open. This duplicating exploit is a similarly obvious over-sight, and admittedly, should be easy to fix. But for whatever reason, they didn't. At least, if they ever plan on it, not yet anyways.

By the way, unless you have more then 3 decades of hardcore gaming under your belt. Then you having nothing remotely close to I. I still own all my consoles dating back to 1982. Even my first at 1978 which was a hand held. So please save the "kid " comments for someone else.

The only one tossing out the kid comments here (repeatedly) is you. Making broad, inaccurate generalizations about members is toeing a line here.

Nevermind the laughable idea that the only opinions with weight are ones from people with similar amounts of time experience with games as you. If someone comes along with their first experience starting at 1977...

Fact reminds no matter how you address it. You either play legit or you don't.

Fact remains you play however you want to play, and don't get off dictating how others should play.
 
Your need to force some sort of elitist sense of accomplishment on players world-wide is downright stupid.

Everyone plays for their own reasons, screw off and enjoy yours. Its none of your concern how or why anyone else obtains cars.

Its a game, you can play for dignity all you want. Im going to play for fun.

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Nevermind the laughable idea that the only opinions with weight are ones from people with similar amounts of time experience with games as you. If someone comes along with their first experience starting at 1977...

Too bad my Magnavision conked out about twenty-odd years ago. Monochrome Pong goodness. Ours even came with the light gun that was optional on the launch system.

I used to be "hardcore". Grind. Grind. Grind. Enduro. Enduro. Enduro. When MGS2 came out, we finished it in one run-through, first night. But now I've got a wife and a kid, three jobs (and only one pays the bills) and I even have to babysit three different forums. Now people are telling me I should still be gaming 24/7? I don't think so.


This is GT 5

And so? I used the same car duplication trick in GT4 (Traded with myself. Reloaded save. Traded back. Two cars where there once was one.) And despite wasting all that time "cheating", I'd managed to gold all licenses and all of the races. And my A-Spec quotient was pretty high, because I was working my way through the 200 A-Spec challenge (race the AI in the worst possible car that can win). All I had left to finish by the time I "gifted" my PS2 to my brother-in-law were the last two Special Missions. But at that point, I was already so mired in responsibilities with my family that I chose to leave that portion of my life behind.

WoW is an MMO and a bad example. You want to use a good example try Diablo games. You must be bad at cheating, ever herd or aimbot and walhack in HL2? Or all of the CS hacks? Stop talking if you dont know please.

I'm terrible at cheating. I like to play fair. And yes, young one, I happen to know what aimbots and wallhacks are, I've fallen victim to these more than once, and we've kicked people out of rooms for that. I've seen Diablo cheats so extreme that they caused game crashes when used to boost Druid levels (this was quite a few Diablos ago, though). I even know how to program bunny-hop scripts (just for a lark). We kicked people for that, too.

So yes, thank you, I do know how to talk.

And how is WOW a bad example? It's the same thing as GT5 "gifting" and trading. You can buy farmed gold and equipment for cash instead of actually playing for them. You can even buy a fully-levelled up character and kick behind despite being a total newbie.

Of course, getting a car as a gift won't magically make you drive 50% faster.


Duping your cars is an exploit. This game has mp feature this means I can dupe my x1 unlimited amount of times and use it to trade for whatever I want. You ever herd of diablo 2? I hope you did, it is the SOJ economy when dupes broke out the game went to ****. And bliz deleted dupes and other times baned accounts. That is jsut one example You can do whatever you want in single player game but when it comes to mp its a whole diffrent story.

Another Example Diablo 1 when the save file was stored on players pc what happend next? Invincible hack in online aspect of the game.

Driving a duplicated car is not the same as walking around in Diablo multiplayer with a bunch of duplicated charms and modified-to-hell equipment. It drives just the same as any other car in the game.

Now if it had some magical friction modifier that gave it race-slick grip on comfort tires, it would be cheating... but otherwise, duplicating a car doesn't give you anything you couldn't get through B-speccing (i.e.: you're not the one playing, your AI is) a single high paying series. And "gifting" doesn't give you anything you can't B-Spec for (and that includes the X1).

And want to know what keeps weenies from trading their X1 for lots of cash and cars? The fact that anyone can get an X1 from anyone nowadays. For free. You've simply got to love an open economy.

I don't know about you... but I've never lost a race online because the other guy had more game money. I've lost because I've been punted or brake-checked, but never because the other guy has a bazillion credits.

In fact, people who get all the big cars right away without playing through the game usually suck.

The only actual "cheat" that even matters online is the "clutch cheat". And that has been patched.


Yes this is a forum but this is a petition read the title. You ether petition something or dont. You ether sign or dont.

Part of a petition signing is swaying people to either sign or not. If the argument for the prosecution can argue so vehemently against 'gifting', then the defense should be given a chance to counter-argue.
 
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