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IMO when you go for a melee kill you should have lined yourself up long in advance - if you need to readjust your aim at the last moment you did it wrong. :p I have melee on circle and ADS on R3 (tactical layout), works fine for me :D
 
Well by my reckoning when I run around a corner and a guys in your face, you need to be turning around the corner. In the split second longer it takes to hit circle rather then where your thumb is, you're done for. Which is really the whole point of melee, last resort not first move, for many of us bar knife junkies or when it's someone you have caught from behind.
 
You can change the controller to have O be melee instead of R3 in Options menu.
I know, but that layout is just weird for me, and looks like I'm not alone in that department. :D
IMO when you go for a melee kill you should have lined yourself up long in advance - if you need to readjust your aim at the last moment you did it wrong. :p
So you think it is too late, if I decide to knife at the last second?

What do rest of you think? I do tend to "go for it" the last second, so Sharky's take actually would make sense.
 
If you're behind the enemy, then it's not too late; if he's staring you in the face, however, you're gonna die whether you knife or hipfire :lol:

Whether circle or R3 works better for you depends how you knife - in the back or in the face. I tend to knife from behind, so I find circle works best for me as I can readjust my aim without being noticed if needed. Plus I can then have crouch/prone on R3, which makes it easier to hide behind cover when under fire.
 
Usually when I knife is when you just spot someone last second, like when you run around a corner and an enemy does at the same time and he just starts to run by, I quickly spin and knife on the turn. If you're behind someone, you have every luxury to do much as you wish, a quick bullet through the brain, a burst in the back or the knife, it's not going to make a huge difference by a far rounds.

If I'm looking for cover under fire, I'm probably more worried about finding cover then which way I'm looking at the moment, I want to get down so there's no need to turn as I crouch/prone. That said, I now go all spidey hands on my control so I use my index finger to hit the D-pad or face button (such as circle), whilst keeping middle fingers on fire or possibly grenade and aim or secondary equipment. Leaving my thumbs to do the sticks.

In the end though, if R3 is a problem, the last thing you need is dodgy crouching and proning. Changing stance is far, FAR more important then knifing unless you're being knife noob with marathon, lightweight, or similar.
 
My problem is more to do with the button itself though. When I push it, in middle of the action, knife will not come out. I'm gonna go play now, so I will try it out some more.
 
Even when you're not trying to knife someone? So you can't even knife the air?

On a few occasions I've hit melee and my knife didn't come out, but in all those cases it's because I ended up getting shot a split-second later....
 
Yeah. Same thing happens with reloading. If you get killed during the middle of a reload, when you respawn the animation restarts and you end up "reloading" your already loaded gun :lol:
 
Even when you're not trying to knife someone? So you can't even knife the air?

On a few occasions I've hit melee and my knife didn't come out, but in all those cases it's because I ended up getting shot a split-second later....

And that is why it's my last resort, I find unless you really are right in the face, and even then at times, it's more effective to hip fire unless you're tailored to knifing with commando and such. Other then that, it's in someones back usually, the plus for me being purely saving ammo as I almost exclusively use silenced weaponry so I wouldn't give myself away by shooting which is the better option when you've caught multiple enemies behind. Why? Why not knife both? Or as many as you can? Because you can sit in some sort of cover, or move to it, once you start nailing them if you're shooting. Chances are if there's a group, you've ventured near a spawn point and that means there's a good chance someone else is going to get wise and turn to see what's going on, or be spawning on your side/rear, like say the player you just killed.

You're just less vulnerable with a bit of distance, it's easier to back away once you've done your damage.

Side note, I don't think I've ever been killed mid reload or knife, I only reload when I know I'm safe and I'm a religious reloader happily proning behind cover purely to reload, and I rarely knife full stop because it's not worth the risk. The amount of times I see someone knife a guy then get instantly shot down by a nearby team-mate makes me feel much safer shooting enemies that are in the open, even from behind.
 
That is true, but it is so funny to get behind the other teams spawn and knife 3-6 people all in one little spot with none of them realizing it:) I had a came winning kill cam where I ran into a room and knifed 3 people looking out 2 windows, everyone in the match laughed when it showed it.
 
I think thats all knife classes could ever be good for, a quick giggle, but in the same way quick scoping and no scoping quickly became a boring, common and uncreative method of 'pwning', knifing has very quickly become a common 'tactic' for players and it's just not interesting to me at all. It's nice when you knife a few guys when you're not trying solely to knife people though. When I see a guy marathon sprinting with a tactical knife in the team objective games I play, I just can't help but think moron. By all means have the tactical knife, they're useful at times, but when people treat it like a primary I think it is one of the most, if not the, shallow ways to play which takes about as much finesse as driving into a brick wall. I mean you don't have to be a genious to get behind the enemy, run the ways where fighting isn't happening, simple and thats the hard part.
 
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Unless people smarten up and learn how to avoid/lessen the chance of getting knifed, "Gumps" (my knife class is called "Forrest" :lol: ) are here to stay.
 
Unless people smarten up and learn how to avoid/lessen the chance of getting knifed, "Gumps" (my knife class is called "Forrest" :lol: ) are here to stay.

Indeed, as are things like akimbo shotties. Most of these problems can be solved with one perk, cold blooded. If they can't see you they have more difficulty getting close to you without you knowing. Similarly, enemy streak rewards are completely harmless to you if you don't stand next to friendlies. That is why I use it in most if not all matches, sometimes small maps call for a bit of stopping power instead, similarly if you need to be more direct and offensive. Cold blooded was the key from taking me from 2.20, to 2.80 and over on my KDR, and now I have the stinger as well as my blinged Famas, I can sway the tides massively during a fight. Often I can be a phychological weapon, distracting enemies from the objective because they get so set on finding me, and 9 times out of 10 I'm prepared for it and take them down. Then any air support they call I take out as soon possible to stop them pinning my team. I believe only the AC130 causes major issues for me due to a lack of ammo, but it still rarely kills me because I don't show up on the AC130s screen with the square and heat signature.

I really want to get a reasonable group into a public room and sort out some real group tactics, like a full team of cold blooders, rendering enemy streaks nigh on pointless. I'm dying to get a team to create a smoke screen as well and use thermals (although I still need to get my thermal unlocked, not used an ACOG yet), I've employed smoke screen tactics on COD4 (ie about 4-5 smoke 'nades covering an area) and WaW before. It's an excellent psychological weapon and generally good tactic. First of all, before the days of thermal, people are easily distracted by it, they know somethings going on but they don't know what so sometimes focus on the smoke heavily. That or just in general confusion don't know what to do. If they try rush through, you're waiting behind the smoke to nail them (or with thermal now on MW2 you can nail them long before). Then there's the obvious of matching streak rewards. The most important being to have multiple members with UAV and harrier. UAV is of course incredibly useful full stop and you can have 2 harriers in the air at once which is naturally pretty lethal if given the chance to put down some fire.
 
Well, I just finished playing, and I just had to laugh.

First, I go into a private map. I spent good 2, 3 minutes on ...... that downpour map, I can't remember the name. :lol: Anyway, my knifing is dead on. On the move, on target, while turning, just perfect, on cue.

I go into an ranking match. My #%@! knife will not come out, and I die. :lol: It was so hilarious & unbelievable to me, I just had to laugh. It would've been an easy kill, too.

Later on, regular knifing, easy one's, it's working fine. I'm having some monster games, with series of 30-something to around 5 deaths in TDMs. Great. Then the last game I just played, Invasion(coolest map, btw), this guy jumps in front of me, my knife doesn't come out. Then I notice though. He is frozen, not moving at all. This happened inside one of the buildings, so I look outside, I see my teammate running, so the game didn't freeze or anything like that, it's just my guy. I knife again, he drops. Maybe his controller lost connection or something, I don't know. :lol: That one, I went 23-1, I called it good.

P.S. It was against mostly noobs. :p I think we had three, maybe four prestiges in the game, myself included. I'm not gonna complain, my k/d is now up to 1.96 on XBL. PSN, I don't remember exactly, but it's way better, thanks also to the poor matchmaking. 👍
 
I think you're looking for "Underpass" ;)

I hate that map, I always do hopelessly pathetic there. Sniping doesn't work, knifing doesn't work, AUG'ing doesn't work :/
 
I think you're looking for "Underpass" ;)

I hate that map, I always do hopelessly pathetic there. Sniping doesn't work, knifing doesn't work, AUG'ing doesn't work :/
That's the one. :crazy: I never used to at first, but last month or so, yeah, I'm also hopelessly bad there. Can't quite figure out why. Running, camping, stopping power, or cold blooded, I've tried them all.
 
I think thats all knife classes could ever be good for, a quick giggle, but in the same way quick scoping and no scoping quickly became a boring, common and uncreative method of 'pwning', knifing has very quickly become a common 'tactic' for players and it's just not interesting to me at all. It's nice when you knife a few guys when you're not trying solely to knife people though. When I see a guy marathon sprinting with a tactical knife I just can't help but think moron. By all means have the tactical knife, they're useful at times, but when people treat it like a primary I think it is one of the most, if not the, shallow ways to play which takes about as much finesse as driving into a brick wall. I mean you don't have to be a genious to get behind the enemy, run the ways where fighting isn't happening, simple and thats the hard part.


Getting behind the enemies spawn at the start and taking them out with a knife isn't moronic at all to me, nor shallow. Just because you like to go head on with them and exchange fire back and forth doesn't mean everyone has to use that tactic. My tactics are different on every map but lets take Favela for example. On it I will rush them as fast as I can to get behind their spawn to start either cutting from one to another or to put a few silenced P90 bullets into them. Rushing is no different from run n gun style, its the same thing. Whats so moronic about run n gun or a different play style than yours in general?
 
Getting behind the enemies spawn at the start and taking them out with a knife isn't moronic at all to me, nor shallow. Just because you like to go head on with them and exchange fire back and forth doesn't mean everyone has to use that tactic. My tactics are different on every map but lets take Favela for example. On it I will rush them as fast as I can to get behind their spawn to start either cutting from one to another or to put a few silenced P90 bullets into them. Rushing is no different from run n gun style, its the same thing. Whats so moronic about run n gun or a different play style than yours in general?

You just said you use your primary, properly, which is something some people just don't do. So what you describe isn't what I'm talking about. I mean people who exclusively try to use a tactical knife and nothing else. It sounds silly, but I've seen people who spawn, swap to pistol and then pretty much don't fire at all. It's fine when you use it once you're up close already, but I believe it should be swapped to as the distance is short, not run around with it constantly.
 
You just said you use your primary, properly, which is something some people just don't do. So what you describe isn't what I'm talking about. I mean people who exclusively try to use a tactical knife and nothing else. It sounds silly, but I've seen people who spawn, swap to pistol and then pretty much don't fire at all. It's fine when you use it once you're up close already, but I believe it should be swapped to as the distance is short, not run around with it constantly.

And on small maps like Scrapyard or Rust? I've done nothing but knife quite effectively on those maps, so clearly it isn't moronic if it works.

Drop the Holier Than Thou attitude.
 
And on small maps like Scrapyard or Rust? I've done nothing but knife quite effectively on those maps, so clearly it isn't moronic if it works.

Drop the Holier Than Thou attitude.

For a kick off Rust never appears on the play lists I play. Scrapyard does but rarely, and knifing religiously doesn't help capture or defend any of the objectives when the enemy will spawn so close on a small map. The only possible reward to the team is a streak reward because you need to do more then just kill and get a good score to win in the modes I like to play.

Edit: The very least I ask for is linking streak rewards if someone wants to play this way. I managed to get some randoms to sync up UAVs and harriers and it lead to the easiest domination game I've ever played, 200-39. We had a UAV and 2 harriers in the air for the majority of the game, the other team got their 39 points and then we held all 3 flags for the remainder of the game by being split 2-2-2 across Favela working around each flag without actively sitting on them. For arguments sake if a knifer was around on my team, a gap would've been made and we would've likely lost a flag if it wasn't for our streak rewards.

There's a time and a place for it, in CTF, marathon and such is extremely desirable. As soon as any real defence needs to go up, which is often, it's time to change up to your primary and increase your teams killzone as much as possible.
 
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For a kick off Rust never appears on the play lists I play. Scrapyard does but rarely, and knifing religiously doesn't help capture or defend any of the objectives when the enemy will spawn so close on a small map. The only possible reward to the team is a streak reward because you need to do more then just kill and get a good score to win in the modes I like to play.

Yes, I understand how objective based games work. Moving extremely fast on Domination games and killing those trying to capture points works quite well.

You simply called it moronic. You did not specify the game types (from what I read) nor the maps in your playlists. For how many words you type, you don't seem to convey yourself very well.

If everyone played how you seem to want them to, I have a feeling the game would be quite boring.
 
Yes, I understand how objective based games work. Moving extremely fast on Domination games and killing those trying to capture points works quite well.

You simply called it moronic. You did not specify the game types (from what I read) nor the maps in your playlists. For how many words you type, you don't seem to convey yourself very well.

If everyone played how you seem to want them to, I have a feeling the game would be quite boring.

I was under the illusion that shooting people on a shooter would generally be considered interesting to shooter players.

Also, I said team based objective games, ie domination, demolition, SnD sometimes, CTF, Sabotage, HQ. TEAM being the key word here. Perhaps some of you GTP folk do help your various teams whilst employing a knife set up, but I sense you will actually fire your weapon which is more then can be said for the alarmingly numerous players who don't fire at all and ignore objectives for the sake of trying to knife people.

Also, there's no need to call me up for using alot of words when I may not convey myself to you well, I find it a little insulting that you think that was even mildly relevant. I try to explain myself heavily because my view point differs massively from others on many subjects. This is just another one of those things which I believe just isn't neccessary, and why although I am no big COD fan, I thought the simpler nature of 4 was more fun. I've said as much as I wish on the exclusive use of knives as a tactic and I still feel there are much more effective ways to rush, and certainly much more diverse ways to play and being able to react to an ever changing battle without needing to respawn is useful.

Edit: Also, for you boys that do like knifing I have been thinking about clever ways to use the throwing knife. What I've come up with is the riot shield. I believe, although I can't confirm, that you can throw grenades, and thus throwing knives, with the shield out and infront of you. That means you can hide behind the safety of your shield, chuck the knife from behind it and get yourself an easy kill.
 
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Well I did not say it was a good option to change to . . . :lol:

Indeed, just that there is an option. It does annoy me sometimes when you can't fully customise controls, but I find CODs very good overall using default flipped. I can usually adjust to most layouts, but it particularly grates when you can't have the triggers for shoot, I mean c'mon, triggers! Luckily you can on MW2, even though it was a little more hidden then it has been on previous games in the series.

On another note, what layouts do the rest of you use and why? I use default because the functions I rely on most are obviously movement, aiming and shooting, then changing stance and reload which I like to be reliable but never want to hit by accident. It worked for me on COD4, so I never changed it and now I can happily reach all the buttons I could need at once.
 
Dragonistic add me as a friend GTP_uk86ze.
Theres always over 6 of us from GTP playing on every night, cold blooded and smoke screens are plenty on our teams.
Normal bunch is me, MR Volcano, Fairplay, LP2k, Theewar , MR geez,Marchbrown and a few others.
 
Edit: Also, for you boys that do like knifing I have been thinking about clever ways to use the throwing knife. What I've come up with is the riot shield. I believe, although I can't confirm, that you can throw grenades, and thus throwing knives, with the shield out and infront of you. That means you can hide behind the safety of your shield, chuck the knife from behind it and get yourself an easy kill.


Using the riot shield while using the throwing knife doesn't keep you covered. Your character will have to pull the riot shield out of the way to throw it but the animation is quick. I like using the riot shield to annoy people, if used properly you can really be annoying. If you wait until the person is reloading or in the middle of throwing a bang or grenade at you they will be dead. People always reload uncovered against a shield because they think its safe.


And on the subject before. I do switch to my pistol and tactical as soon as I spawn, I do that so I can run faster. One I get to a corner where I know I will meet at least 1 of the other team I will swap back to the UMP or P90 and then with my sites already down the gun I will side step around the corner, if its clear then I will switch back to the tac knife and sprint again. On most maps where they have more than 2 options to take I can usually get behind them and take out 80% of the team within the first 20 seconds of the match. When I use that class I always get the "kill every member of theyre team" deal at the end. I also like trolling for snipers on the out skirts of maps with that class, it can run straight through claymores and even if they hear them he runs so fast I'm already stabbing them before they can even find me.
 
Dragonistic add me as a friend GTP_uk86ze.
Theres always over 6 of us from GTP playing on every night, cold blooded and smoke screens are plenty on our teams.
Normal bunch is me, MR Volcano, Fairplay, LP2k, Theewar , MR geez,Marchbrown and a few others.

I am very much in, is lag an issue though?
 
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