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A big problem is that some drivers are running up to 2 seconds a lap slower than they should be running based on their qualifying time, and that creates problems if just one person is impatient and there is almost always at least one person who is.

As a new person who sits in qualifying for at least 30 minutes before trying a daily race and gets lucky on a qualifying time that I cannot match again... I feel this
 
This week's Race C is a great place to work on balancing the car - particularly the S's after T1. Not overpowered like a Gr.3 but still snappy/slidey if you are not smooth. Just stay in 3rd gear and work on throttle balance to control the speed of the car through the turns (no TC). The car is very good at letting you know when either end starts to get light and a minor adjustment will bring you back onto the line. Find the flow and transfer that feeling to other cars in the game.
Car control and racecraft both, the car's slow enough that you have time to think ahead, plan your moves, react to what the other drivers do. Absolutely great fun when people are clean.
 
I’m normally quite accepting of contacts in my races on GT Sport, people make mistakes, we’re all amateurs etc etcz However, the driving in the BS lobbies on daily race C towards the end of this week has been abysmal.

It’s just one or two but they nudge and barge their way through constantly.

Shame because the combo is excellent, just shame about the people that drive the cars......

Agreed, things became argy-bargy later in the week. I let one racer through with minimal resistance as he was faster than me... and then on the second time, either the same race or later, he just pushed me off in 2nd Degner. He eventually spun before the finish line so I got one of the places back. There was no discussion or apology or even a "Move out the way slowpoke". Just a quick exit.
 
Just perused the N400 list to see what Race B at NGP might bring... best guess is a 996/997 or M3/M4 showdown but would be awesome to have a 300SEL meme race.
 
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A big problem is that some drivers are running up to 2 seconds a lap slower than they should be running based on their qualifying time and that creates problems if just one person is impatient and there is almost always at least one person who is.


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As a new person who sits in qualifying for at least 30 minutes before trying a daily race and gets lucky on a qualifying time that I cannot match again... I feel this

This a defense for the sometimes maligned high-QT-but-lesser-race-pace cohort. Ash, it is not just your comment as others have made the similar analysis in different situations.

I count myself amongst the cohort. @atx_wrekka sounds like he is in the same camp. Speaking for myself, I don't want to look like a chump so I practice. Good qual times come from that and the natural consequence is that my race pace is less than what my QT time suggests. Normally, with exceptions, I give minimal resistance in the early race stage and anytime someone is significantly faster. I don't roll over but if the racer can catch me and make a move I am not going to fight. That's better than blocking, then a queue forms, you get sent to the ditch and the whole queue sails by. There is no advantage in that.

In short, I am not the problem. The faster racer needs to pass the slower ones but it might take finding the right spot. Certainly there are new folks who don't get it and should heed the above advice.

I do have an exception though. If I see a dogfight behind me I let it play out 'cause why on earth would I want the dogfight in front of me? There is no advantage in that.

My goal is similar to yours. I want to achieve the best finishing position I can get at the end of the race.
 
Using both Meganes for Race C this week. Think I'll race at the back and see how far I move up, without trying to pass.
 
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I’ve been one to trash talk folks about racepace. I never intended to offend anyone. I mean since game release I only ran my one account a loooong time.
You bet I practiced like mad on q. I also NEVER entered a race without a few practice laps first to ensure I was feelin good.
For the longest time for gr4 my target was 4.5 sec to bottom of top ten.
Once I got that I’d race the combo. I raced sparingly. Only when ready. I mean back then it was unfathomable to me how people got to be so fast...How is it even possible lol. Now I see, and can do it too sometimes...Hard work plus practice.
So anyways huge respect to folks putting in that time BUT. You gotta race. You gotta get prepared you gotta be feelin good but you gotta race.
I’ve never been talkin about B or C or D or even low A on NA.
I’m talking bout mid A who are say .75 off the top on qual, by end of week, so they start say 4-8 on grid and the guys ahead are 1.75 up by turn five. Cars behind are stacked up everybody’s fighting the whole race is ruined. People are getting sr hits...
I’m not sure there’s a number you can put on what times a person SHOULD run in race because all races are a little different.
This is why you gotta enter and race not just qual. Qual takes a lotta time no doubt but there’s a kinda average let’s say pack pace in most races...If you are mid A and you don’t have that but you have this great q time you and everyone around you gets in trouble sr wise.
That’s my beef. Early in the week it’s never a problem but later it can be. Especially if this is you and it’s your first time at 99.
I tangled with this peach on Thursday.

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There’s so much that can be discussed about qual no qual sandbagged qual. It all depends who you are and how you play.
On alt many times I’ve begun a race early in the week or first few entries no qual, especially if it’s an uncomfortable combo to me. If I get to a point where it’s a problem like say there’s always six super slow folks in front of me and I pass them by lap 2 and then run alone and can’t catch because too far behind AND I like the combo I will qual. Not try hard qual but put in a relatively clean lap...
It’s a different story if I wanna rank up. You better believe then I’m full try hard on qual. Get as many spots up the grid you can.
Everybody’s different. If you enter enough you get a sense of where the pace is relative to your immediate dr sr competition.
The thing is if you do try hard qual and you’re racing the daily seriously then imo pre race you need to check yourself with a few laps of practice.
Another way is to enter on no qual save the replay check things out and choose where you wanna be by putting in a specific time you know you can run.
That’s a great way to go if you don’t wanna place yourself under pressure, if you wanna attack more in race but don’t want to start last as say a B and have 8 D in front of you holding you up from the get go.
I never meant offense to anyone by ragging on the Uber qual people.
Ultimately my position is if you ARE putting in that top 100 qual you owe it to yourself and everyone racing not to go in cold.
To me it really depends...The qual you set...Are you looking to rank up or just have fun competition, or maybe you like slaloming through people your five seconds a lap faster than.
I think somewhere there’s a deal said about when ones improving on a skill learning new things the level of challenge has to be just right. Too challenging or too easy are both equally bad and in fun.
Anyways jmo food for thought.
Re impatient cars behind you, that’s what defense and brake checks are for IF they are being jerks on track.
If you go defensive-tempting them strongly towards the outside it’s easy to slow a bit and let them go if you want.
And THATS another can of worms.
Most people don’t RACE just to let others go by haha.
Personally, if I’ve put in a try hard qual I’m racing to finish up the grid as far as I can and keep as many behind me as possible and everything I do in the race is to that end. (Sprint mentality)
If I’m in a cruise qual I’m probably just racing for fun and don’t care much.
Again jmo food for thought.
Imo if you are seriously looking at say getting to A and being competitive as a goal, I’d run ONE acct ONLY.
If you have multiple interests in the game multiple accounts can serve those.
Still tho there’s a LOT of advantage also to sticking with just one account. I did that for a looong time and im glad I did.
However I’d also say getting one more has been fantastic too, for pure fun.
It’s fun to play online but without perpetual pressure and try hard mode engaged IMO.
Love the discussion and hearing folks thoughts on qual and the related issues.

Again my apologies if I offended folks before...:)
 
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I’ve been one to trash talk folks about racepace. I never intended to offend anyone. I mean since game release I only ran my one account a loooong time.
You bet I practiced like mad on q. I also NEVER entered a race without a few practice laps first to ensure I was feelin good.
For the longest time for gr4 my target was 4.5 sec to bottom of top ten.
Once I got that I’d race the combo. I raced sparingly. Only when ready. I mean back then it was unfathomable to me how people got to be so fast...How is it even possible lol. Now I see, and can do it too sometimes...Hard work plus practice.
So anyways huge respect to folks putting in that time BUT. You gotta race. You gotta get prepared you gotta be feelin good but you gotta race.
I’ve never been talkin about B or C or D or even low A on NA.
I’m talking bout mid A who are say .75 off the top on qual, by end of week, so they start say 4-8 on grid and the guys ahead are 1.75 up by turn five. Cars behind are stacked up everybody’s fighting the whole race is ruined. People are getting sr hits...
I’m not sure there’s a number you can put on what times a person SHOULD run in race because all races are a little different.
This is why you gotta enter and race not just qual. Qual takes a lotta time no doubt but there’s a kinda average let’s say pack pace in most races...If you are mid A and you don’t have that but you have this great q time you and everyone around you gets in trouble sr wise.
That’s my beef. Early in the week it’s never a problem but later it can be. Especially if this is you and it’s your first time at 99.
I tangled with this peach on Thursday.

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There’s so much that can be discussed about qual no qual sandbagged qual. It all depends who you are and how you play.
On alt many times I’ve begun a race early in the week or first few entries no qual, especially if it’s an uncomfortable combo to me. If I get to a point where it’s a problem like say there’s always six super slow folks in front of me and I pass them by lap 2 and then run alone and can’t catch because too far behind AND I like the combo I will qual. Not try hard qual but put in a relatively clean lap...
It’s a different story if I wanna rank up. You better believe then I’m full try hard on qual. Get as many spots up the grid you can.
Everybody’s different. If you enter enough you get a sense of where the pace is relative to your immediate dr sr competition.
The thing is if you do try hard qual and you’re racing the daily seriously then imo pre race you need to check yourself with a few laps of practice.
Another way is to enter on no qual save the replay check things out and choose where you wanna be by putting in a specific time you know you can run.
That’s a great way to go if you don’t wanna place yourself under pressure, if you wanna attack more in race but don’t want to start last as say a B and have 8 D in front of you holding you up from the get go.
I never meant offense to anyone by ragging on the Uber qual people.
Ultimately my position is if you ARE putting in that top 100 qual you owe it to yourself and everyone racing not to go in cold.
To me it really depends...The qual you set...Are you looking to rank up or just have fun competition, or maybe you like slaloming through people your five seconds a lap faster than.
I think somewhere there’s a deal said about when ones improving on a skill learning new things the level of challenge has to be just right. Too challenging or too easy are both equally bad and in fun.
Anyways jmo food for thought.
Re impatient cars behind you, that’s what defense and brake checks are for IF they are being jerks on track.
If you go defensive-tempting them strongly towards the outside it’s easy to slow a bit and let them go if you want.
And THATS another can of worms.
Most people don’t RACE just to let others go by haha.
Personally, if I’ve put in a try hard qual I’m racing to finish up the grid as far as I can and keep as many behind me as possible and everything I do in the race is to that end. (Sprint mentality)
If I’m in a cruise qual I’m probably just racing for fun and don’t care much.
Again jmo food for thought.
Imo if you are seriously looking at say getting to A and being competitive as a goal, I’d run ONE acct ONLY.
If you have multiple interests in the game multiple accounts can serve those.
Still tho there’s a LOT of advantage also to sticking with just one account. I did that for a looong time and im glad I did.
However I’d also say getting one more has been fantastic too, for pure fun.
It’s fun to play online but without perpetual pressure and try hard mode engaged IMO.
Love the discussion and hearing folks thoughts on qual and the related issues.

Again my apologies if I offended folks before...:)

No offense. As I said others have made the same comment and I would list them but the internet is not big enough :).

For me, I want to rank up - it's a competition. I am going to continue to set good QT as they are advantageous in the lower split. Alas, I do no have a top 100 problem that I need to worry about.
 
Race C can get wild. Tried to run from the back to build SR. Forgot how wild and unpredictable some of the lower drivers can be. I was ok though until one driver in a TT made it his mission to stay p6 forever. I got by him twice and both times got run off track and got the penalty for getting hit. Only lost 5 SR, but I was trying to build it.:banghead:

Got a qually lap now. Time to nurse it for a bit I'm the mid pack to hopefully get the points.
 
Right at the death! I looked set to claim the regional record with my 1:54.316, but just before going to sleep at 1am I checked my phone and saw that I'd gotten sniped :eek: So instead of having my morning coffee, I got on GTS and reclaimed the record with only 40 minutes to go before the end of the event :gtpflag: :cheers:

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Good good combo. I'll admit it this time. Set qualy after the first race. Qualifying on RM siunce I'm starting on that tyre. Ran the cars I wanted to run. Now, I'll set a qualy on the RS and run those same cars tomorrow. I'm good for the night.

Too easy in the Slophy. Just set cruise control and pit. Repeat. Every race below, had a couple people go off, but I got these places by pure racing.
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Strong strong car. I was pushing, but the F-Type that finished 9th is too fast. It spun off in front of me, on the last lap.
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Fourth gear from Hawthorn to Sheene's, Clearways to Clark. Solid performer. JUst got stuck behind a crazy battle featuring that Atenza hitting the TT & Slophy. The Scirocco managed to get by behind me and I couldn't follow it. CAyman was able to pass as I went wide into T1. Stayed behind the Slophy that finished 7th.
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Ran 1 more race C. Good combo, very clean racing this time. Had a 90pct clean run, just drifted wide on the main straight on 1 lap and hit that stupid pit entry. Very hard to get past a GTR or Jag if they are in competent hands. Slophy is again a bit like having a cheat, and the 86 is solid too. Might have to go back for more tomorrow and just take it easy.
 
I'm a sucka. Saw Race B is the 996. Grid Start. Jumped in with 13 seconds left. Didn't get disco'd. Gotta say , it's one of the best combos ever, The Grid Start is a must and PD delivered. Make this a Race C, PD. Please. ...and don't for get the RS tyres.

Survived the start. The jokers that finished 8th & 9th, divebomed me at separate parts of the track. God don't like ugly. I caught back up to each one and picked them off. Drove away from both them sucka emcees.
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Ran 1 more race C. Good combo, very clean racing this time. Had a 90pct clean run, just drifted wide on the main straight on 1 lap and hit that stupid pit entry. Very hard to get past a GTR or Jag if they are in competent hands. Slophy is again a bit like having a cheat, and the 86 is solid too. Might have to go back for more tomorrow and just take it easy.

So it's not the usual mayhem that a Daily Race at Brands Hatch has seen in the past?
 
So it's not the usual mayhem that a Daily Race at Brands Hatch has seen in the past?
Nah, it gets messy, just that race went well.

First race I tried calmly driving from the back, but it didn't work well.

Second race, By the entrance to Hawthorne on lap 1 the cars behind me had tangled enough to give our lead pack a 2 second gap. By the back straight lap 2 it was 4.5. I was just biding my time for clean SR and was last in the pack so just nursed my way past when presented with options. Also got ahead running Mediums first and keeping up, then driving past on softs after the stop where they didn't fight.
 
Top 10 Lap from Daily Race B last week. I love the car and track!


The speed you carry through the first hairpin is ridiculous.

This week, both RaceB and C look good. Loved the 997 GT3 a few weeks ago and it seems several cars are competitive at brands. Only issue I have is I like to no-pit at Brands to gain places as you avoid traffic and just circulate alone but you're gonna have to race given the tyre needs.
 
s. Only issue I have is I like to no-pit at Brands to gain places as you avoid traffic and just circulate alone but you're gonna have to race given the tyre needs.

Yep!
I see the top ten is all TT here. No way will I run ff here that’s blasphemy!


B race will be great also grid start plus great car. Tried for a 14, but couldn’t get it, car seems fastest loosey goosey just a bit on 0 tcs. Should be a fun one.
I haven’t ever driven the A race car dunno yet on that...
 
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I'm draggin' that Corvette where it don't belong - on the podium (back-to-back 3rd place finishes out of 2 races) from P6/P7 on the grid!

I gotta say though, that Ryansoccernasty guy baffles me. He was absolutely nowhere and yet all over the place in the race there (P11, in the Toyota 86) but apparently he later won by 15 seconds in a TT with that finishing time in the (next?) race? Is it two people sharing that account or something (aka one good driver and their small child)? He averaged 2 seconds per lap better in that second race....
 
I'm draggin' that Corvette where it don't belong - on the podium (back-to-back 3rd place finishes out of 2 races) from P6/P7 on the grid!

I gotta say though, that Ryansoccernasty guy baffles me. He was absolutely nowhere and yet all over the place in the race there (P11, in the Toyota 86) but apparently he later won by 15 seconds in a TT with that finishing time in the (next?) race? Is it two people sharing that account or something (aka one good driver and their small child)? He averaged 2 seconds per lap better in that second race....
Good stuff.
Yeah, it's the FF magic. The Megane FF I ran in my first race, was faster than the TT. I started next to last on RM, with no qualy. Once I put on the RS, I was picking cars off.
 
I'm draggin' that Corvette where it don't belong - on the podium (back-to-back 3rd place finishes out of 2 races) from P6/P7 on the grid!

I gotta say though, that Ryansoccernasty guy baffles me. He was absolutely nowhere and yet all over the place in the race there (P11, in the Toyota 86) but apparently he later won by 15 seconds in a TT with that finishing time in the (next?) race? Is it two people sharing that account or something (aka one good driver and their small child)? He averaged 2 seconds per lap better in that second race....
I know him and he is young, but just a bit erratic. He has a few cars he drives well. But he gets super aggressive and has all sorts of problems in traffic with driving clean and avoiding contact. Get him on his own in clean air and he will be able to set a blistering pace though. He's trying to earn more racecraft, but once he has that kind of speed he struggles to be patient.

Just watched some poor guy on Kie25 stream running IM to start Brands. Poor guy going to have to pit twice.:lol:
 
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