"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Robben]

Yes, a rule of thumb. One that doesn't work very well at all in most cases

It works fine if you have a middling door number, but only coincidentally, because...

Top or bottom half is a much better rule, and rank (door number, unbugged) only needs to be thought about for extreme cases (e.g. a high A or S in a room of Bs).

Oh, so a bottom half finish regardless of door number = a loss?

 

[Outspacer]

Wait.

I was halfway A and finished race at no. 2. After the race,my SR went to C and DR B.

How come finishing 2nd takes your DR from halfway A to B?

SR going to C limits DR to A. But then, SR going down to 30 resets DR to 50000, while setting DR to B. Pretty sure that's a bug, and it shouldn't have been applied to you while DR A.
http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1301783

Oh, so a bottom half finish regardless of door number = a loss?

Almost always. For the lowest ranked in a room of 20 finishing 11th or 12th might gain a little bit in some cases, but that's an extreme case.

 

[250Cal]

So, as he says, there is a rule of thumb... beat your number (generally) gain points, lose to your door number (generally) lose points. Except where C and D drivers are grouped with B or above.

So to contextualise to my comments which you originally quoted: I am a B driver and was grouped firstly all with Bs and then with Bs and Cs. Hence my higher door number in the second race.

The conditions under which that rule of thumb apply become so context specific that it gets flakey quickly.

The better rule of thumb is to finish in the top half of the field (and even then you need to factor in SoF again).

 

[Robben]

And the general rule is +80pts per driver beaten? Or have I misunderstood that as well?

 

[250Cal]

Oh, so a bottom half finish regardless of door number = a loss?

Generally speaking, yes.

Depending on the strength of field you can finish on the podium and lose points.

 

[250Cal]

And the general rule is +80pts per driver beaten? Or have I misunderstood that as well?

Depends on strength of field.

 

[Robben]

Depends on strength of field.

What if it is a room full of equivalent rating?

 

[Outspacer]

And the general rule is +80pts per driver beaten? Or have I misunderstood that as well?

And -80 per driver that beats you!

That's when everyone is equally rated, and when the matchmaking is working well it's usually not far off that.

 

[250Cal]

SR going to C limits DR to A. But then, SR going down to 30 resets DR to 50000, while setting DR to B. Pretty sure that's a bug, and it shouldn't have been applied to you while DR A.
http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1301783



Almost always. For the lowest ranked in a room of 20 finishing 11th or 12th might gain a little bit in some cases, but that's an extreme case.

11th is the lowest I have finished (in a field of 20) and received a positive DR score. All FIA events, all stacked fields i.e. at least 8 DR S drivers.

 

[250Cal]

What if it is a room full of equivalent rating?

Like for like DR and SR?

 

[Robben]

And -80 per driver that beats you!

That's when everyone is equally rated, and when the matchmaking is working well it's usually not far off that.

So, for example, if I have a grid of 12 all B rated and finish 2nd I will get (10 x 80) - (1 x 80) = 720?

 

[Robben]

Like for like DR and SR?

DR...presumably SR isn't involved in points distribution?

 

[banckzy]

anybody played race C? did you manage to do it without a stop? if so, which car did you use?

getting myself prepared for when i get home tonight...

 

[Robben]

anybody played race C? did you manage to do it without a stop? if so, which car did you use?

getting myself prepared for when i get home tonight...

That's my pick for today... might use the Beetle

 

[250Cal]

DR...presumably SR isn't involved in points distribution?

It impacts strength of field, which impacts DR points.

So, for example, if I have a grid of 12 all B rated and finish 2nd I will get (10 x 80) - (1 x 80) = 720?

I'll come back to you on this, I need to cut the data.

Edit. For a full DR A grid of 20 cars, it's about 120 a place.

 

[bmxmitch]

Gld I dont really have time today

anybody played race C? did you manage to do it without a stop? if so, which car did you use?

getting myself prepared for when i get home tonight...

Did one race with a stop. I easily overtook one without stopping and had 10 sec lead to him, so I'm not sure if not pitting is a good start on this track.
He did hold his 3rd place though

 

[banckzy]

Gld I dont really have time today


Did one race with a stop. I easily overtook one without stopping and had 10 sec lead to him, so I'm not sure if not pitting is a good start on this track.
He did hold his 3rd place though

So just to clarify... you pitted but you think the best option is to not pit?

What car was you driving?

 

[Outspacer]

11th is the lowest I have finished (in a field of 20) and received a positive DR score. All FIA events, all stacked fields i.e. at least 8 DR S drivers.

Even in races where the top/bottom half rule doesn't work for some drivers, it can still work for most drivers in the race, so that's why I say it works most of the time. The cases where it doesn't work are interesting and worth discussing, but they are far less common.

So, for example, if I have a grid of 12 all B rated and finish 2nd I will get (10 x 80) - (1 x 80) = 720?

If they all had exactly the same DR points, yes. Otherwise, still roughly true - unless you're right at the top or bottom of the field in rank it should balance out.

An almost-A B beating an almost-C B would only gain about 40 points, for an extreme example.

DR...presumably SR isn't involved in points distribution?

It isn't, at least not directly. But since SR can limit DR letter, you can get someone with more DR points than their DR letter implies, which does affect scoring.

 

[Robben]

@Outspacer
@250Cal

👍

 

[250Cal]

Even in races where the top/bottom half rule doesn't work for some drivers, it can still work for most drivers in the race, so that's why I say it works most of the time. The cases where it doesn't work are interesting and worth discussing, but they are far less common.

Agreed. I was just giving examples to validate your point. I don't have 12th/13th position finishes to compare at this time.

 

[Outspacer]

Agreed. I was just giving examples to validate your point. I don't have 12th/13th position finishes to compare at this time.

Yes, and it's a useful example

If we were trying to find a better rule of thumb, it's still usually the top/bottom halves sections rule, but the threshold moves slightly up or down from the middle based on DR levels. I don't think it's viable though, because we don't know DR accurately enough when entering a race - an S and an A might be quite close in DR points, trading about 80 points, or be so far apart that the S might only gain 1 point for beating the A!

 

[Robben]

Regardless of the technicalities, since I have been following the rule (finish top half and above door number) as well as qualifying hard and watching top 10 replays I am climbing daily

 

[Outspacer]

Regardless of the technicalities, since I have been following the rule (finish top half and above door number) as well as qualifying hard and watching top 10 replays I am climbing daily

10 Qualify.
15 IF too tired to improve THEN QUIT
20 Race.
30 Check DR.
40 IF DR gain THEN goto 20 ELSE goto 10

 

[Mr616]

So just to clarify... you pitted but you think the best option is to not pit?

What car was you driving?

I think @bmxmitch was saying he did pit, and overtook somebody who didn't pit and beat him by 10 seconds.

 

[250Cal]

Yes, and it's a useful example

If we were trying to find a better rule of thumb, it's still usually the top/bottom halves sections rule, but the threshold moves slightly up or down from the middle based on DR levels. I don't think it's viable though, because we don't know DR accurately enough when entering a race - an S and an A might be quite close in DR points, trading about 80 points, or be so far apart that the S might only gain 1 point for beating the A!

Yes, I can only approximate.

I've got too much data now. Need to stick it in some pivot table/charts to make it easier to deal with.

 

[banckzy]

I think @bmxmitch was saying he did pit, and overtook somebody who didn't pit and beat him by 10 seconds.

ahhh yes, re-reading it it now makes sense.

another coffee needed..

 

[Satomiblood]

Looking forward to that Corvette race later today.

 

[Shottah072]

Im running some laps at Kyoto and none of the top 10 laps are available to download. Is there a problem on my end or is this the new trend now ?

 

[BSDShoes]

Im running some laps at Kyoto and none of the top 10 laps are available to download. Is there a problem on my end or is this the new trend now ?

You can cancel an upload attempt if you hit a top 10, this would be suspicious, maybe they're doing some corner cutting that they don't want people to see?

 

[zzz_pt]

Im running some laps at Kyoto and none of the top 10 laps are available to download. Is there a problem on my end or is this the new trend now ?

Sometimes the replay won't upload. It happened to me a few times.