Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in god?

  • Of course, without him nothing would exist!

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  • Maybe.

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  • No way!

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I believe god exists because it is the only possible way I can be in existence right now. Science says we came from two Hydrogen Atoms. Do you really think that all you have and will ever see was due to two tiny atoms?

No it's not, several other possibilities have been mentioned in this very thread. Is it one possible way you came to be in existence? Sure, though one I find really hard to believe, I guess it's a possibility. But to say it's the only one is flat wrong, and makes your argument really hard to take seriously.

Science explains how stuff works. Our whole existence must have a meaning that science itself cannot explain. Call me nuts but I can even feel it. Life itself must not be a chance. And that's me saying that even watching a number of the videos you have posted.

These statements are only true to the fallible human mind. Us being a completely random, meaningless occurrence doesn't bother the universe one bit.
 
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You guys are making me feel like the biggest troll in GTP. :lol:
I'm honestly discussing this with an open mind though. It just seems that our existence is too strange to be down to chance, no matter how much scientific info you give me.
 
You guys are making me feel like the biggest troll in GTP. :lol:
I'm honestly discussing this with an open mind though. It just seems that our existence is too strange to be down to chance, no matter how much scientific info you give me.
Yes it's strange, which is why it wasn't created by an old man in the sky (or whatever you believe), because that would be a thousand times stranger.
 
Our existence doesn't need a meaning, we just give it one. Whether that is God or some search for an understanding of origin. I don't think it has a meaning at all, but that's just me.

Our existence may seem strange because we're living matter trying to justify our existence, perhaps?
 
TankAss95
You guys are making me feel like the biggest troll in GTP. :lol:
I'm honestly discussing this with an open mind though. It just seems that our existence is too strange to be down to chance, no matter how much scientific info you give me.

Lol ya this whole thread is just a your wrong im right thing when no matter what anyone thinks there is no right or wrong since there's no proof for either one. I do think there may be a chance that there is some sort of thing that made everything, but god is only made by the Romans that pushed Christianity onto people years ago and if they didn't accept they would be killed. It was a way to control the masses that obviously went amazing considering the majority of people in the world are Roman Catholics. Again a all being knowing every thing person just existing is false. It is impossible that something would be made smarter than any human for no reason out of know where. Why would that happen and how would that happen. There shouldn't be a discussion on do you believe in god there should be discussions on who made the universe.
 
It just seems that our existence is too strange to be down to chance, no matter how much scientific info you give me.

But does that say anything about God, or about you?

Also, chance isn't really accurate. If you want to get technical, the probability of the universe being exactly like it is, is 1 or 100%.
 
huskeR32
Us being a completely random, meaningless occurrence doesn't bother the universe one bit.

But why would anybody want to believe that? Acknowledging that we mean absolutely nothing is extremely depressing.
 
If I believed in something as strongly as most deists believe in god, and then become aware that a lot of people had very good reasons to doubt that thing, I would start to seriously question myself.

I wouldn't simply start to doubt it, I would go farther, and start to wonder what made me so eager to believe something that defies logic and reason.

Most of your discourse in this thread has shown an ability to think things through, and I would bet that you have asked yourself such questions. What were the answers you gave yourself?

Now, don't answer about god, about belief, or faith. Pretend the question isn't even about god. I'm really curious about the inner conflict that must accompany believing in something that a lot of people can't see any reason to believe in.

I want to know how you arrived at (a)I'm right, everybody who doubts is unfortunately wrong and missing out on something great, when (b)Wow, maybe I'm crazy and gullible for blindly following something that many people can't buy must have been another possible answer that occurred to you.

Please do not take this as an insult or an argument. I'm really interested in how the outcome of the inner conversations that any religious person must have. My only response for whatever answer you give will be "Thanks for sharing."

In an attempt to give the best answer I can I will respond.

I was raised as a Catholic and attended Catholic school until I was in 8th grade. I never really was a devote Catholic and my mom took me to Church sometimes, but mostly around the holidays.

In high school I started to care less and less about religion in general because, as a teenager, I had better things to concern myself with. You know girls, friends, finding yourself, all that crap. I started questioning my beliefs throughout high school and by the time I hit college I was an atheist. I continued to hold on to atheist beliefs for quite sometime until I start thinking about it.

Then I realize that virtually every atheist I have ever come across was angry with religion and God. They weren't so much a non-believer and more anti-believer. I reflected on the way I looked at things and saw that being an atheist was making me angry at religion too. I found that to be unacceptable because how could I possibly function in the world if I thought less of people who believed in a God or gods? So I started to examine why I thought the way I thought.

I answered hundreds if not thousands of questions and struggled with the topic of religion and God for quite sometime. I ended up thinking agnosticism was probably the best discourse since we don't know and I don't believe we ever really could know if there is or isn't a God. The more questions I asked and the most I thought about it I began to think there is a possibility for a supernatural presence to exist, which is where I am today. I label myself as an agnostic with deist leanings. I don't know for sure, nor do I ever think I can know, but I believe there is a slightly greater chance for a God then not. All other philosophical questions lead me through the same thought process. Pretty straight forward questions dealing with tangible things are often approached differently.

As for your A & B points, I don't believe any who doubts there is a God to be missing out on something great. For all I know if I would have stayed an atheist I might currently be missing out on something great too, but I honestly don't believe so. I think I would have been much more close minded and less accepting of other people. I also think I would have drove the people close to me away since I would think less of them for being religious or just a believer in general. The same goes for meeting new people, I doubt I would have ever met my current girlfriend if I didn't have an open mindedness about a deity.

I know that it all could be wrong, but if I spend my entire life stuck on one question then it will drive me crazy. So eventually I have to say enough is enough and interrupt the world around me the way that it makes sense to me. Now if I was preaching a belief in God I believe it would have to be approached differently. I would need far more evidence and points to show why a belief in God is correct. But when it's a personal belief then all you need to do is satisfy yourself.

I try to never change a person's beliefs but rather just discuss the ones I know best, my own. Everyone's personal beliefs, morals, etc. are going to be different so who am I to say who's wrong and who's right? Someone who's right in one person's eyes is not in another.

That's honestly the best summary I can give on my belief.
 
Tic Tach
There are no atheist "beliefs".

1 a : to have a firm religious faith b : to accept as true, genuine, or real <ideals we believe in> <believes in ghosts>
2 : to have a firm conviction as to the goodness, efficacy, or ability of something <believe in exercise>
3 : to hold an opinion : think <I believe so>
transitive verb

You have an opinion that god isn't real. Therefore... You believe! 💡
 
Thanks for the post Joey, but one thing leapt out at me, and it tells me that you still don't get it:

There are no atheist "beliefs".

To me it was a belief, I accepted the absence of God to be the truth, now I don't.

The dictionary definition of belief is "to accept as true or real" and that's how I'm using the word. I accepted there wasn't a God and I accept it to be real.

So, yes I do get it. You can label your affirmation to your ideas however you like.
 
Those are perverted uses of the word belief. Sure, one can have a position or stance, but ultimately and accurately, atheism is nothing more than the rejection of something that others have asserted, and asserted without evidence, so it is not a belief in something. Just like "bald" isn't a hairstyle.
 
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I do believe in god, but I dont believe that he runs the course of my life. In a way, I believe that he put on this earth to live my life to the fullest. Whatever choice I make. I was raised predominatley catholic, but I tend to see things in a spritual sense rather than faith. Im very open about other religions and belief. The only thing I dont like is when some people try to force their beliefs down my throat because, I will never do that to them.
 
Science explains how stuff works. Our whole existence must have a meaning that science itself cannot explain. Call me nuts but I can even feel it. Life itself must not be a chance. And that's me saying that even watching a number of the videos you have posted.

With the greatest respect, that's you misunderstanding much of what's been discussed.

"Science explains how stuff works" - yes.

"Our whole existence must have a meaning that science itself cannot explain" - sticky one for you: why? Why must everything have a "meaning"? If anything when you try and attribute meaning to everything then stuff gets even more complicated. Is there a meaning to a comet hitting our ancient world and killing 95% of the species around at the time? Is there a meaning to a little kid getting abducted and killed? Of course there isn't, unless you'd like to trot out "God works in mysterious ways", otherwise known as the worst explanation for anything ever.

"Life itself must not be a chance" - Gah, how many times? Nothing is "chance". Virtually everything we know outside of the movements of subatomic particles and the behavior of matter in a singularity is governed by the same laws of the universe as everything else. Life is the result of certain physical laws applying at a certain time.

I think it can be summed up by saying: Things that happen have a reason, but not necessarily a meaning.
 
Those are perverted uses of the word belief. Sure, one can have a position or stance, but ultimately and accurately, atheism is nothing more than the rejection of something that others have asserted, and asserted without evidence, so it is not a belief in something. Just like "bald" isn't a hairstyle.

Wait, so you're telling me your definition of belief somehow supersedes that of the dictionary? There are often multiple uses for a given word and using it one way instead of another is not incorrect or perverted.

All I am saying is that atheism was a belief to me looking back at it now from my current belief system.
 
Wait, so you're telling me your definition of belief somehow supersedes that of the dictionary? There are often multiple uses for a given word and using it one way instead of another is not incorrect or perverted.

All I am saying is that atheism was a belief to me looking back at it now from my current belief system.

"A-" as a prefix means an absence. It's derived from Greek and known as an "abessive" - a lack of the word marked. Theism is, specifically, a belief in one or more deities. Atheism is thus the lack of belief in one or more deities.

Nontheism would be more appropriate to describe a specific belief in no deities, but it's more commonly used to cover that belief, agnosticism and atheism. Maybe antitheism would do the job too, but that generally refers to a specific type of atheism where not only is there a lack of belief in the deity/deities but an active belief that such a belief is inherently bad.
 
"A-" as a prefix means an absence. It's derived from Greek and known as an "abessive" - a lack of the word marked. Theism is, specifically, a belief in one or more deities. Atheism is thus the lack of belief in one or more deities.

Nontheism would be more appropriate to describe a specific belief in no deities, but it's more commonly used to cover that belief, agnosticism and atheism. Maybe antitheism would do the job too, but that generally refers to a specific type of atheism where not only is there a lack of belief in the deity/deities but an active belief that such a belief is inherently bad.

Ok so maybe I should call it non-deism then since it wasn't directed just at the concept of no deities, but rather everything supernatural.
 
1 a : to have a firm religious faith b : to accept as true, genuine, or real <ideals we believe in> <believes in ghosts>
2 : to have a firm conviction as to the goodness, efficacy, or ability of something <believe in exercise>
3 : to hold an opinion : think <I believe so>
transitive verb

You have an opinion that god isn't real. Therefore... You believe! 💡

Wait, so you're telling me your definition of belief somehow supersedes that of the dictionary? There are often multiple uses for a given word and using it one way instead of another is not incorrect or perverted.

All I am saying is that atheism was a belief to me looking back at it now from my current belief system.

I though we cleared this up pages ago, but here goes:

"God doesn't exist" is a belief, you're absolutely right. The thing of it is though, that's not the definition of atheism. Atheism doesn't say that god does or does not exist. Let me repeat that: Atheism isn't about saying that god does or does not exist.

Atheism means not believing in any god because there's no evidence for them. Many atheists then arrive at the conclusion that there isn't a god, but that's not a part of their atheism. Please understand this!

There is no active claim of existence or non-existence about god in atheism.

If a deist says "I love chocolate," that statement has nothing to do with their religious beliefs. They just happen to love chocolate.

If an atheist says "god absolutely does not exist," that statement is also separate from atheism. It's an opinion held by somebody who atheistic, but it's not part of atheism.

By the way Joey, thanks for sharing 👍
 


I love how Bill Maher makes total sense everytime he opens his mouth. Especially love when he says "I'm not a christian, just like most christians.", because that's clearly how it is. At least in the US. I mean, there's probably no government in the world that is as christian as the US government, yet there's probably no government that kills as many people as the US government either.

Am I the only one who finds this double morality to be very ironic?
 
Strittan
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I love how Bill Maher makes total sense everytime he opens his mouth. Especially love when he says "I'm not a christian, just like most christians.", because that's clearly how it is. At least in the US. I mean, there's probably no government in the world that is as christian as the US government, yet there's probably no government that kills as many people as the US government either.

Am I the only one who finds this double morality to be very ironic?

Sorry if I'm being an 🤬 but the Americans don't worship God, they worship oil. Big difference.
 
Sorry if I'm being an 🤬 but the Americans don't worship God, they worship oil. Big difference.

Says the guy who apparently likes cars so much that he spends a lot of his time either playing GT5 or hanging out on a forum about GT5.

How about we avoid the whole painting everybody of a certain nationality with a broad brush, OK?

I ride my bike hundreds of miles every month, and I usually get to work one of two ways: my bike, or the bus. Completely out of choice mind you, as I own a nice car and live in a city where it's easy to get around in a car and find parking. To top it all off, I'm an American and I love it.

If you must spew some crap about one group of people out of blind ignorance, go start your own thread about it so that I can just avoid it. But keep it out of this thread please.

EDIT: You were right about one thing, that comment made you sound like a huge 🤬
 
huskeR32
Says the guy who apparently likes cars so much that he spends a lot of his time either playing GT5 or hanging out on a forum about GT5.

How about we avoid the whole painting everybody of a certain nationality with a broad brush, OK?

I ride my bike hundreds of miles every month, and I usually get to work one of two ways: my bike, or the bus. Completely out of choice mind you, as I own a nice car and live in a city where it's easy to get around in a car and find parking. To top it all off, I'm an American and I love it.

If you must spew some crap about one group of people out of blind ignorance, go start your own thread about it so that I can just avoid it. But keep it out of this thread please.

EDIT: You were right about one thing, that comment made you sound like a huge 🤬

Argue as much as you like the USA is the biggest consumer of oil in the world. Do you honestly think they would be killing as much people if there wasn't so much a demand for oil?
My post was not directed to the American people, but the American Government.
 
Says the guy who apparently likes cars so much that he spends a lot of his time either playing GT5 or hanging out on a forum about GT5.

How about we avoid the whole painting everybody of a certain nationality with a broad brush, OK?

I ride my bike hundreds of miles every month, and I usually get to work one of two ways: my bike, or the bus. Completely out of choice mind you, as I own a nice car and live in a city where it's easy to get around in a car and find parking. To top it all off, I'm an American and I love it.

If you must spew some crap about one group of people out of blind ignorance, go start your own thread about it so that I can just avoid it. But keep it out of this thread please.

EDIT: You were right about one thing, that comment made you sound like a huge 🤬

You may own a nice car, but - sorry to say - "Hers" is nicer ;)

Anyway, why politics here? The Soviet Union was built based on an atheist philosophy (scientific socialism) and so what? Do I draw from that anything worthy of debating here? Pulizzeeee ....
 
Argue as much as you like the USA is the biggest consumer of oil in the world. Do you honestly think they would be killing as much people if there wasn't so much a demand for oil?
My post was not directed to the American people, but the American Government.

Alright, if you want to speak in facts fine, I can handle that. Yes, we use the most oil. As I said, my problem was with your broad-brush denouncement of an entire nationality.

One more thing, as an American, I have been exposed to a lot of people's feelings on these wars, and guess what is (ironically) one of the biggest reasons that people in America support the war?

Wait for it.... Wait for it...

Religious hatred! Yay!
 
You may own a nice car, but - sorry to say - "Hers" is nicer ;)

Anyway, why politics here? The Soviet Union was built based on an atheist philosophy (scientific socialism) and so what? Do I draw from that anything worthy of debating here? Pulizzeeee ....

I agree with you 100%, let's leave politics out of this thread, I just couldn't let his comment slide. I can't stand when people broad-brush an entire nation with statements like that.

And "hers" will be nicer, but right now, it's still in "Spent the last 25 years sitting in a garage" condition. But the progress on that is for another thread. :)
 
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