Do you believe in God?

[arora]

Well I popped in here hoping to see something different then the bible talk going back and forth but I guess that's not gonna happen. Anyway I've been compiling quotes and reading about some of our greatest scientists and also artists.(I'm writing a compare and contrast) Something came to mind so....

You know it's comments like this that continue to perpetuate the idea of the angry atheist.

Why are so many atheist so angry at the religious? Why do you feel the need to attack their beliefs? Does it some how make you feel better?

"The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who--in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses'-- cannot hear the music of the spheres."

Hopefully some of you know who wrote that.

 

[Strittan]

You know it's comments like this that continue to perpetuate the idea of the angry atheist.

Why are so many atheist so angry at the religious? Why do you feel the need to attack their beliefs? Does it some how make you feel better?

Well, doesn't stupidity make you angry in a way? Same deal with religion. I simply think that many atheists (including me) thinks religious people are stupid. Especially when they're trying to convert us.

EDIT: Did I really attack religious people though? No, I got upset by DaveTheStalker's attempt to convert me/us.

I don't know if there is a God or not, but I think the possibility that he does excist is rather small.

 

[TankAss95]

You know it's comments like this that continue to perpetuate the idea of the angry atheist.

Why are so many atheist so angry at the religious? Why do you feel the need to attack their beliefs? Does it some how make you feel better?

I've started to think that Atheists get angry or frustrated with religious people or people steadfast to beliefs because they feel that the religious person(s) is(are) in false hope. They don't understand the whole concept of what the religious person is going through, and that idea makes them feel weird. They know stuff that they are certain disprove what the other believe in, yet can't quite understand why he holds onto his belief through this concept called 'faith'.

 

[HP]

Any belief in a higher power IMO is caused by our reluctance as a race to accept that we are simply a race of bipeds on a rock in the vacuum off space. That is the reality of our existance and to believe otherwise, without a shred of evidence, is lunacy.

People get locked up in asylums for having multiple personalites & for talking to themselves but any conman evangelist can fill a stadium with human beings and tell them that the invisible man in the sky needs their money real fast and that they should all talk to him at once whilst waving their arms at him because he won't listen otherwise... It is just mind boggling to believe that people actually really believe in something without a shred of evidence. Imagine a jury doing that... "No judge, there is no evidence at all but we have faith in that lawyer so we are voting guilty".

I could go on but I won't because I know it is pointless, for a race of beings with such intelligence potential we sure do some stupid things... But I guess faith in lieu of evidence and fact is acceptable isn't it

 

[theotherspongey]

Any belief in a higher power IMO is caused by our reluctance as a race to accept that we are simply a race of bipeds on a rock in the vacuum off space. That is the reality of our existance and to believe otherwise, without a shred of evidence, is lunacy.

People get locked up in asylums for having multiple personalites & for talking to themselves but any conman evangelist can fill a stadium with human beings and tell them that the invisible man in the sky needs their money real fast and that they should all talk to him at once whilst waving their arms at him because he won't listen otherwise... It is just mind boggling to believe that people actually really believe in something without a shred of evidence. Imagine a jury doing that... "No judge, there is no evidence at all but we have faith in that lawyer so we are voting guilty".

I could go on but I won't because I know it is pointless, for a race of beings with such intelligence potential we sure do some stupid things... But I guess faith in lieu of evidence and fact is acceptable isn't it

Not many churches are money hungry though.

 

[Strittan]

It is just mind boggling to believe that people actually really believe in something without a shred of evidence. Imagine a jury doing that... "No judge, there is no evidence at all but we have faith in that lawyer so we are voting guilty".

Indeed. This may also be one of the reasons atheists get upset from time to time, because some believers are speaking as if what they say are facts, while there is no evidevnce whatsoever.

 

[Joey D]

I wouldn't say "attack", there are just haters and normal people, like me, who just don't understand.

Yes there are many normal atheists that really don't give a damn about what others believe. These aren't the ones I have a problem with. An outspoken atheist is no better then an evangelical Christian.

Well, doesn't stupidity make you angry in a way? Same deal with religion. I simply think that many atheists (including me) thinks religious people are stupid. Especially when they're trying to convert us.

EDIT: Did I really attack religious people though? No, I got upset by DaveTheStalker's attempt to convert me/us.

I don't know if there is a God or not, but I think the possibility that he does is rather small.

"I simply think that many deist (not including me) think atheist people are stupid. Especially when they're trying to convert us."

Do you see how ignorant and close minded that statement sounds? How can you ever expect someone to understand your view if you automatically consider them stupid right off the bat?

And honestly, I can see calling someone stupid for their beliefs to be rather attacking. Not to mention your other statements in this thread make you no different then the people you are speaking out again, and in many ways even worse.

Indeed. This may also be one of the reasons atheists get upset from time to time, because some believers are speaking as if what they say are facts, while there is no evidevnce whatsoever.

To a believer it can be seen as the same way.

 

[TankAss95]

Any belief in a higher power IMO is caused by our reluctance as a race to accept that we are simply a race of bipeds on a rock in the vacuum off space. That is the reality of our existance and to believe otherwise, without a shred of evidence, is lunacy.

People get locked up in asylums for having multiple personalites & for talking to themselves but any conman evangelist can fill a stadium with human beings and tell them that the invisible man in the sky needs their money real fast and that they should all talk to him at once whilst waving their arms at him because he won't listen otherwise... It is just mind boggling to believe that people actually really believe in something without a shred of evidence. Imagine a jury doing that... "No judge, there is no evidence at all but we have faith in that lawyer so we are voting guilty".

I could go on but I won't because I know it is pointless, for a race of beings with such intelligence potential we sure do some stupid things... But I guess faith in lieu of evidence and fact is acceptable isn't it

You know I find evidence for the existence of God through my own experiences and through the beauty if the world we live in. And if you think that Christianity is a scam for people to acclaim wealth then you have been watching too much "Christian" TV my friend. So, call me a lunatic if you want, along with anyone else who thinks the same way, but I really feel sorry for those who live without knowing God. I would feel my existence would be pointless without him, however crazy or scary that may sound.

 

[theotherspongey]

Yes there are many normal atheists that really don't give a damn about what others believe. These aren't the ones I have a problem with. An outspoken atheist is no better then an evangelical Christian.

"I simply think that many deist (not including me) think atheist people are stupid. Especially when they're trying to convert us."

Do you see how ignorant and close minded that statement sounds? How can you ever expect someone to understand your view if you automatically consider them stupid right off the bat?

And honestly, I can see calling someone stupid for their beliefs to be rather attacking. Not to mention your other statements in this thread make you no different then the people you are speaking out again, and in many ways even worse.

To a believer it can be seen as the same way.

Not giving a damn is better then hating.

I could care less about what anyone believes. I respect, but don't follow.

 

[Joey D]

Not giving a damn is better then hating.

I could care less about what anyone believes. I respect, but don't follow.

And that I have no problem with. Respect other's beliefs even if you don't agree and just focus on what you believe.

 

[dylansan]

We need also to recognize that our very minds were created by God. We can only use these minds to the extent that He allows, and it is, therefore, utterly presumptuous for us to use them to question Him and His motives.

I don't need to be the creator of the universe to know that torturing people for all eternity is bad. This is proved by the mere fact that people tend not to want to live when in severe pain or torment, and that we sympathetically allow people on the edge of death to die quickly so as to stop their pain. There is not way eternal could ever be motivated by love or kindness.

“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

Maybe, maybe not. To create people who see evil in things that are actually good would be really counterproductive to actually causing good. If He wanted us to do good things, the least he could do was make those good things seem good.

“Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, why hast Thou made me thus?” (Romans 9:20).

Why not? I refuse to assume my "creator" had a good reason to do so, when it's just as possible He didn't. Why is it such a problem to ask?

We ourselves do not establish the standards of what is right. Only the Creator of all reality can do that. We need to settle it, in our minds and hearts, whether we understand it or not, that whatever God does is, by definition, right.

If God is trying to make a world that's "good" for us humans, then it must be able to be judged as good by us humans. We judge things to be evil all the time based on what we know about life and laws of nature, and those things are not good just because God allowed them to happen. If you think God made the world for us, then we, the people who are actually living and get to experience evil and good things all the time, are the only judges of what is actually good. If God wants us to be happy, he can't do thinks that make us sad and tell us that's what happiness it. We know what happiness is, and we know that's what we want, and we know that's why we live, so whatever God thinks we want is irrelevant.

 

[TankAss95]

Not giving a damn is better then hating.

If you don't give a damn about God then why are you continuing to post on this thread? Of course you have the right to be here along with everyone else but you have never mentioned what your thoughts are towards "the big bang" or other science theories which I am supposing you believe so strongly in. Judging others opinions without sharing your own is not a healthy habit in any of the Opinions forums in GTP.

 

[theotherspongey]

If you don't give a damn about God then why are you continuing to post on this thread? Of course you have the right to be here along with everyone else but you have never mentioned what your thoughts are towards "the big bang" or other science theories which I am supposing you believe so strongly in. Judging others opinions without sharing your own is not a healthy habit in any of the Opinions forums in GTP.

I would but typing huge paragraphs on a mobile isint my thing.

Also, I don't judge other people's opinions.
What gave you that idea?

 

[TankAss95]

I would but typing huge paragraphs on a mobile isint my thing.

I am using a mobile, if I can do it then I'm sure you can. Plus you don't have to write huge paragraphs - just your opinions or thoughts and a reason why you think that. If you believe that scientific theories are definitely correct, or that the existence of God is definitely rubbish then give a reason why.

 

[HP]

You know I find evidence for the existence of God through my own experiences and through the beauty if the world we live in. And if you think that Christianity is a scam for people to acclaim wealth then you have been watching too much "Christian" TV my friend. So, call me a lunatic if you want, along with anyone else who thinks the same way, but I really feel sorry for those who live without knowing God. I would feel my existence would be pointless without him, however crazy or scary that may sound.

Not Christian TV dude, I was involved with the church when younger & saw it with my own eyes. I sought truth & found nothing but lies & greedy humans preying on the weak & vulnerable, thankfully I was neither & spoke my mind; that's when they got violent and the pastor physically threw me into a brick wall... I think he missed the Love Thy Neighbour memo...

There's also a plethora of deities throughout history that predate Jesus that have the same story; Horus was one I believe & there are others (I'll research & provide names) as well. Does the modern day monotheist have anything to say on that? Not being sarcastic either, it's a genuine question.

 

[Strittan]

To a believer it can be seen as the same way.

A lot of what non-religious scientists say are facts though, that's the major difference.

 

[HP]

A lot of what non-religious scientists say are facts though, that's the major difference.

Oh come now Strittan, have a little faith

 

[Joey D]

A lot of what non-religious scientists say are facts though, that's the major difference.

As I've pointed out before, many religious scientist have provided facts as well.

You are a prime example of why I questioned my atheist beliefs. I couldn't go through life continuously thinking I was better then anyone religious.

And I will pose the same question to you that I did to Tic Tac:

If they [deist scientist] believe in God and can manage a groundbreaking discovery that changes the way science thinks then what is the problem? If you some how think these people are inferior I challenge you to tell me what you have done for the advancement of the world lately.

 

[TankAss95]

A lot of what non-religious scientists say are facts though, that's the major difference.

Yeah sure. "Facts" that will constantly be "revised" and "updated".

If science is constantly changing, then how do we know that everything we know is correct?

 

[Strittan]

And I will pose the same question to you that I did to Tic Tac:

So just because it's a religious scientist who discovers something, it proves religion? I don't get your point.

Yeah sure. "Facts" that will constantly be "revised" and "updated".

If science is constantly changing, then how do we know that everything we know is correct?

We're talking about different facts I think. Not everything scientists say can be proved, but we know some things for sure. For example, we know that the world is quite a lot older than 10.000 years, and wasn't created by God. We also know that there's a thing called evolution, which proves that humans (and other species) has evolved over millions and millions of years, and wasn't hand-crafted by God.

 

[Joey D]

So just because it's a religious scientist who discovers something, it proves religion? I don't get your point.

You said:

A lot of what non-religious scientists say are facts though, that's the major difference.

Couple that with your view that the religious are somehow stupid, my question seems rather fair. You imply that non-religious scientist are finding facts, leaving out the stupid religious scientist. A religious scientist discovering something does not prove religion, only that religious people are capable of intelligent thought and aren't as stupid as you may think, not to mention they are capable of finding facts.

 

[dylansan]

Yeah sure. "Facts" that will constantly be "revised" and "updated".

If science is constantly changing, then how do we know that everything we know is correct?

http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100312182937AAnCSaH

Interestingly, by this reasoning, there's no reason there can't be a god, hence Joey's beliefs are perfectly valid. However, the God of the Bible is self-contradicting, making it a really bad explanation for the universe. Also, the Bible claims to be absolute truth, which by definition is non-scientific.

 

[Strittan]

You said:


Couple that with your view that the religious are somehow stupid, my question seems rather fair. You imply that non-religious scientist are finding facts, leaving out the stupid religious scientist. A religious scientist discovering something does not prove religion, only that religious people are capable of intelligent thought and aren't as stupid as you may think, not to mention they are capable of finding facts.

Ok, I get you now. My bad. Not all religious people are stupid, but those who doesn't believe in the evolution are. In my opinion anyway.

I didn't mean to say all religious people are stupid. Oh wait, I don't think I did either.

 

[HP]

Also, the Bible claims to be absolute truth, which by definition is non-scientific.

Owned 👍

 

[Joey D]

I didn't mean to say all religious people are stupid. Oh wait, I don't think I did either.

Seriously?

Well, doesn't stupidity make you angry in a way? Same deal with religion. I simply think that many atheists (including me) thinks religious people are stupid. Especially when they're trying to convert us

 

[Strittan]

Seriously?

Where does it say "all religious people"? Sure, I can see why you took for granted I meant them all, but I didn't.

Again, I'm sorry.

Also, I should've said just "scientists" instead of "non-religious" scientists.

 

[MustangCobra95]

I believe in God, and thank him for my life

 

[TankAss95]

http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100312182937AAnCSaH

Interestingly, by this reasoning, there's no reason there can't be a god, hence Joey's beliefs are perfectly valid. However, the God of the Bible is self-contradicting, making it a really bad explanation for the universe. Also, the Bible claims to be absolute truth, which by definition is non-scientific.

But the Bible is not based on science, it is based on the word/inspiration of God. It is truth, yet it can be interpreted in different ways.

 

[Strittan]

I believe in God, and thank him for my life

Excuse me, but is it not a better idea to thank your mother and father for your life, instead of God? Or do you think that he literally made you?

But the Bible is not based on science, it is based on the word/inspiration of God. It is truth, yet it can be interpreted in different ways.

Wait a minute. Either it's the truth or it is not the truth.

 

[MustangCobra95]

Excuse me, but is it not a better idea to thank your mother and father for your life, instead of God? or do you think that he literally made you?

Well He made my parents, who then made me. So by the transitional property, He made me.