Do you believe in God?

[Bobalob]

SuperCobraJet, you clearly have some issue with "science".

Described by you as "trial and error" within enclosed bubbles (encompeses all that we can experience, and some we cant, infared spectrum etc, so a big bubble) which I find very difficult to understand.

How do you personally, day to day, appreciate the technological advances of mankind? You treat them like selfish byproducts of human endeavours and i am really, really interested how this fits into your life.

The almost militant way of thinking against science must surely cause conflict?

If i understand what you say correctly you attribute no good qualities to science what so ever, so I ask you, do uou exclude science from your life? Do you live in a mud hut? Curse cavity wall installation and satalite tv viewers?

You give little credit to it at all and I find this incredibly baseless.

 

[DK]

He is the Messiah... and I should know, I've followed a few...

Nah, he's just a very naughty boy.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Yes.
You can be brain dead, but on artificial heart/lung machine.
Your spirit is still there.

Your brain is just a processor.
The soul software is you.

Where is it?

You still can't unknow someone you know.

Yes you can.

http://www.livescience.com/7315-drug-deletes-bad-memories.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/health/research/06brain.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110304092111.htm

So if the soul software is "you" how do we have the capability to alter memories and personalities chemically/biologically?

I suggest reading up on neuroscience before making ridiculous claims like that.

 

[TJC_69]

Well sir, wouldn't better to be a Christian & if heaven & hell isn't real I've still lived a good life, but if it is real I'll be heaven bound & won't go to hell.



Your going to wish for prayers for you when your still down here for Armageddon & the anti Christ, or while your in hell. If your not saved I'm sorry to say your going to hell.

Where to start here ...... hmmm .

http://atheism.about.com/od/theismtheists/tp/WhyTheistsBelieveInGod.htm

The Real Reasons People Believe in God

1. Indoctrination into Religion
2. Indoctrination into Anti-Atheist Bigotry
3. Peer & Family Pressure
4. Fear of Death
5. Wishful Thinking
6. Fear of Freedom & Responsibility
7. Lack of Basic Skills in Logic & Reasoning

Let's take a look at number 7 from the link .

7. Lack of Basic Skills in Logic & Reasoning
Most people don't learn nearly as much about logic, reason, and constructing sound arguments as they should. Even so, the quality of arguments typically offered by believers as justification for their religious and theistic beliefs are remarkable for just how atrocious they are. If only one basic logical fallacy is committed, it can be considered an achievement. Given how important believers claim the existence of their god and truth of their religion are, Instead, they invest a lot of effort into constructing circular rationalizations and finding anything that sounds even remotely plausible.

Seen this countless times in this thread so far , laughable flawed logic is indeed laughable i'm afraid .

TrdScionxB2
Your going to wish for prayers for you when your still down here for Armageddon & the anti Christ, or while your in hell. If your not saved I'm sorry to say your going to hell.

Ahhh , the classic argumentum ad baculum , ( Appeal to Force ) , eh ? How classy 👍

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/skepticism/blfaq_fall_force.htm

... an argument often heard from some Christians. A god is not made any more likely to exist simply because someone says that if we don't believe in it, then we will be harmed in the end.

It seems this particular God thing you subscribe to doesn't appear to teach much in the way of logic ....

Please tell me why I should buy a years subscription to something that makes no sense please ? Thanks .

 

[dylansan]

Not to mention:

Well sir, wouldn't better to be a Christian & if heaven & hell isn't real I've still lived a good life, but if it is real I'll be heaven bound & won't go to hell.

Pascal's Wager, a very common example of a false dichotomy. In fact, scroll to the criticisms part of that page, there's quite a few flaws.

 

[Super Novi]

We can not prove that he exists, nor can we prove that he doesn't.
We can agree on that, right?

 

[Bobalob]

Which god? We've focused on the Christian God, and touched on islam.

Still quite a few to consider yet...

 

[TJC_69]

We can not prove that he exists, nor can we prove that he doesn't.
We can agree on that, right?

Well .... maybe we can prove it .

Maybe not right this second but in the future and under 2 possible scenarios ;

1. We scientifically progress to such a stage whereby we can answer the question ourselves as to the reason ' Why ' our universe came into being . The root cause of its existence if you will . Maybe it's purpose or function to expand on that further .

Or possibly , and indeed the more paradigm shifting option of the two ;

2. A friendly information transfer upon contact from a sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial civilization .

Option 1 being the most likely of the two at this present time .

I'm not saying here that it's the job or indeed function of science to answer this particular question . I am merely stating that it could be a possibility . A much more plausible possibility than a man in the sky from my perspective .

 

[gamerdog6482]

Well .... maybe we can prove it .

Maybe not right this second but in the future and under 2 possible scenarios ;

1. We scientifically progress to such a stage whereby we can answer the question ourselves as to the reason ' Why ' our universe came into being . The root cause of its existence if you will . Maybe it's purpose or function to expand on that further .

Superstring Theory answers this question, as much as I understand.

I'm not saying here that it's the job or indeed function of science to answer this particular question .

Relativity and quantum mechanics would greatly disagree with you.

 

[niky]

Depends on your definition of "why". If you're asking "why" in the sense that you should be asking "how", yes. If you're asking "why" in the sense that you're asking "to what purpose", then no.

 

[TJC_69]

Superstring Theory answers this question, as much as I understand.
Relativity and quantum mechanics would greatly disagree with you.

As far as I can gather , superstring theory states ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory

Superstring theory is an attempt to explain all of the particles and fundamental forces of nature in one theory

So i'm reading it as functionality of the universe if i'm correct ? But i'm not seeing root cause as a derivative ? A way of going back further than the Big Bang Theory for us to see a cause of Universe production ? A God or no God deal breaker if you will .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything

Some great reading in there , you have a valid point also 👍

niky
Depends on your definition of "why". If you're asking "why" in the sense that you should be asking "how", yes. If you're asking "why" in the sense that you're asking "to what purpose", then no.

( How ) , yes 👍

So , how is it possible to find out the purpose ? Any ideas Niky ?

 

[JMoney]

I believe in God, Jesus and the holy spirit because it makes perfect sense. Half of science is complete bullcrap. What makes more sense, a universe creating itself or someone creating it? Of course, someone had to create it. 33% of the world is christian, 25% muslim, and 1% jewish, so 59% of the world believes in the same guy.

As to evolution? That stupid theory can be disclaimed by one fact: that humans have no fur. This makes us completely unique, and if we evolved from monkeys then why would we lose fur? If we are outside at night, we die, so how are we the superior species if we didn't start this way?

There is plenty evidence that He exists in everyday life, you just have to look for it. Why doesn't He just zap the bad people and show His face, I don't know and I believe we weren't meant to.

 

[TJC_69]

I believe in God, Jesus and the holy spirit because it makes perfect sense. Half of science is complete bullcrap. What makes more sense, a universe creating itself or someone creating it? Of course, someone had to create it. 33% of the world is christian, 25% muslim, and 1% jewish, so 59% of the world believes in the same guy.

As to evolution? That stupid theory can be disclaimed by one fact: that humans have no fur. This makes us completely unique, and if we evolved from monkeys then why would we lose fur? If we are outside at night, we die, so how are we the superior species if we didn't start this way?

There is plenty evidence that He exists in everyday life, you just have to look for it. Why doesn't He just zap the bad people and show His face, I don't know and I believe we weren't meant to.

What do they teach people in schools these days ? We need our taxes refunded ...

Science is not bullcrap , it's the sum total of humankinds knowledge . Please actually google what evolution is and maybe , I dunno , read up on it ? You make yourself look ignorant and of a very low IQ with statements such as those 👎

No there's not , prove it 👍

 

[Exorcet]

Half of science is complete bullcrap.

Such as? My guess would be the half (or more) you don't immediately understand.

What makes more sense, a universe creating itself or someone creating it?

Or trying to figure out what made the universe, or assuming some old book has the answer without providing a shred of evidence?

What's so obvious about someone creating the universe anyway? It directly leads to the question of where that person came from, so it in effect answers nothing.

33% of the world is christian, 25% muslim, and 1% jewish, so 59% of the world believes in the same guy.

Doesn't mean a thing.

As to evolution? That stupid theory can be disclaimed by one fact: that humans have no fur. This makes us completely unique, and if we evolved from monkeys then why would we lose fur? If we are outside at night, we die, so how are we the superior species if we didn't start this way?

You've seen body hair probably. The rest of this paragraph makes it sound like you don't understand evolution at all.

Do you get vaccines?

There is plenty evidence that He exists in everyday life, you just have to look for it.

We've looked. There's nothing to see. Provide specific examples if you can.

 

[Joel]

I believe in God, Jesus and the holy spirit because it makes perfect sense. Half of science is complete bullcrap. What makes more sense, a universe creating itself or someone creating it? Of course, someone had to create it. 33% of the world is christian, 25% muslim, and 1% jewish, so 59% of the world believes in the same guy.

As to evolution? That stupid theory can be disclaimed by one fact: that humans have no fur. This makes us completely unique, and if we evolved from monkeys then why would we lose fur? If we are outside at night, we die, so how are we the superior species if we didn't start this way?

There is plenty evidence that He exists in everyday life, you just have to look for it. Why doesn't He just zap the bad people and show His face, I don't know and I believe we weren't meant to.

First things first, we did not "evolve from monkeys". Monkeys and humans have a common ancestor, humans took one evolutionary path, and monkeys took another. Fur gradually went away as it was no longer necessary for survival, humans' big advantage was the size of our brain. If we're outside at night, we die, but we're smart enough to make a coat.

I also enjoy the hilarious irony of you being on the internet and declaring that half of science is bullcrap. When you're sick, do you go to the doctor, and declare that 50% of what he says is bullcrap?

 

[TJC_69]

First things first, we did not "evolve from monkeys". Monkeys and humans have a common ancestor, humans took one evolutionary path, and monkeys took another. Fur gradually went away as it was no longer necessary for survival, humans' big advantage was the size of our brain. If we're outside at night, we die, but we're smart enough to make a coat.

I also enjoy the hilarious irony of you being on the internet and declaring that half of science is bullcrap. When you're sick, do you go to the doctor, and declare that 50% of what he says is bullcrap?

👍

 

[niky]

So , how is it possible to find out the purpose ? Any ideas Niky ?

The purpose? Make your own.

 

[TJC_69]

The purpose? Make your own.

If I made my own reason up as to the purpose of the Universe , I would hazard an educated guess on simulation theory .

As long as it's creator wasn't Microsoft that is

 

[Schwartz]

Where is [the soul]?

@SCJ

Yes, and what is it's mass? And you can't say it doesn't have any mass. If something doesn't have any mass, than by definition it doesn't exist.

Same with God, what is his mass? (No pun intended )

 

[Kingland093]

The Real Reasons People Believe in God

1. Indoctrination into Religion
2. Indoctrination into Anti-Atheist Bigotry
3. Peer & Family Pressure
4. Fear of Death
5. Wishful Thinking
6. Fear of Freedom & Responsibility
7. Lack of Basic Skills in Logic & Reasoning

Anti-atheist bigotry? There's been waaaay more anti-religious bigotry!

You can't force someone to fully believe in something, they need to make that choice for them-self

So that article is basically saying that all religious people are a bunch of lazy and stupid people That's so anti-religious!

 

[TJC_69]

Anti-atheist bigotry? There's been waaaay more anti-religious bigotry!

You can't force someone to fully believe in something, they need to make that choice for them-self

So that article is basically saying that all religious people are a bunch of lazy and stupid people That's so anti-religious!

No there hasn't . You need to study up on your history a little .

Start here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

Or... they can be told from a young age that their parents God exists , and assume their parents religion as a default .

No it's not, it's an outline of how religion works .

It's not anti religious , it's merely the truth 👍

 

[Schwartz]

You can't force someone to fully believe in something, they need to make that choice for them-self

I'm a believer because I was born and raised Catholic, and I currently go to a Christian school too.

And you have contradicted yourself. If there is this "free will" to believe in anything, than why do so many people practice the same religion as their parents (As you have evidenced)? Is it just a coincidence? I doubt it. Why aren't you a muslim or Jew? I'll tell you why. Because everyone around you is Catholic. They tell you that God gives you free will to choose because they don't want you to understand that you really don't have the free will to choose.

You didn't choose to believe in God, your parents told you to.

 

[Kingland093]

Or... they can be told from a young age that their parents God exists , and assume their parents religion as a default .

No it's not, it's an outline of how religion works .

It's not anti religious , it's merely the truth 👍

But they'd still have to make the choice on whether or not to follow what their parents say

I don't think that religion is just forcing people to believe the same things as you

 

[dylansan]

Considering you've already asserted your anti-science, anti-evolution stance, I don't think you're in a position to judge.

Have you looked up any more information about evolution? Care to retract your earlier statement? Or would you like to defend it? Pick one, because you can't simply ignore our points and continue the discussion.

Also, you might want to drop the anti-religious thing, as it's perfectly reasonable to be against something if there is reason to do so. It's up to the posters to demonstrate that there is actually a reason.

 

[TJC_69]

But they'd still have to make the choice on whether or not to follow what their parents say

I don't think that religion is just forcing people to believe the same things as you

You are really anti-religious aren't you

You might need to re-read the listed link again I feel. As Schwartz pointed out also, you do fit into one of the listed categories .

Please directly quote me saying as such , or retract your statement . My stance is clear on this subject , i'm an atheist , you might have been taught to view athiests as such but that's not my fault . No point crying foul when you don't like the truth of the matter , life doesn't work that way ....

 

[Kingland093]

How about I modify my statement.

My parents taught me about Christianity when I was young but as I got older I was given the choice on whether or not to keep my faith and I chose to keep it

 

[GTP_Gearhead]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zYGoAQ&usg=AFQjCNGluJOPBaP4qZSk75X4vzO2aN1lnQ

Here is what I believe. I feel it is an incredible film.

 

[TJC_69]

How about I modify my statement.

My parents taught me about Christianity when I was young but as I got older I was given the choice on whether or not to keep my faith and I chose to keep it

How about I check back later to see if you have quoted me directly as , in your words I am ' anti religious ' . If not , and you haven't retracted your comment . I'll be taking this up with the mod team ...

 

[Kingland093]

Umm sorry but I don't know how to edit posts on mobile devices
I'll do it the first chance I get tomorrow

 

[TJC_69]

Umm sorry but I don't know how to edit posts on mobile devices
I'll do it the first chance I get tomorrow

Would be appreciated indeed . I've always maintained a logical and balanced view , and have stated many times that everyone has a right to their own beliefs .

Never once have I said I am anti religious .