Oh and Catholics don't worship Mary, or the Saints, or the Pope. That's a common misconception
Well, a lot of religions have different dogmas, so what makes yours correct versus theirs?
If he loved us and wanted us saved, he would do so without us appeasing his ego - God is a narcissist, and Christianity mirrors that. I have a post in there I'll dig up on that subject if you want.
No, it isn't. Most people realize they don't hold those figures to the same level as God, but they do worship them in the sense of prayer, Hail Mary's, etc. Then you have all the icons that are prayed to, which goes against the idolatry aspect.
Unless you didn't get baptized correctly. Then you're screwed.
Purposely, inflicting pain, ignorance, and suffering is not love
That's not how it works. I you believe something, it means you think it's true. So if someone asks you why something is true, it's the same as asking why you believe it.well i guess it does come down to what you believe
Read the New Testament (specifically the gospels)
Purposely, inflicting pain, ignorance, and suffering is not love
God does not do that to us if that's what you meant by this.
What's it been wrong about?
The history of the universe for one thing. Nothing in Genesis makes sense, and the whole creation story makes it pretty clear that God isn't interested in making life for humans for very good.What's it been wrong about?
well i guess it does come down to what you believe
yes, please dig up that post
@DQuaN
I hope not
Then you have chronically misread or misunderstood the point.
There is no such thing as non-electrical electricity. All electricity is electrical.
There is no such thing as non-knowledge knowledge. All knowledge is knowledge..
We've been saying this repeatedly throughout the thread.
"Carnal" specifically means "fleshy" - from the Latin carne (meaning flesh), with the same root as "carnivore" (flesh-eating).
From the above list, only the body comes under that remit.
If you do not have the time to respond to direct question from others you have no business asking direct questions of others - we have no reason to suspect you'll take the time to read them.
It's also
Incidentally, with sufficient precision and electricity, you can be made to unknow just about anything. It's not relevant though.
No misunderstanding at all.
All knowledge is knowledge.
The differentiation I'm claiming is not all knowledge originates in the intellect, but is spiritually discerned or originates in a person's spirit.
BTW, as I said, all electricity is electrical, and magnetic as well and vice versa.
Knowledge concerning one, automatically and consequentially involves the other.
Exactly.
That's why it doesn't matter, at least technically, where it originates.
That is the root word, yes.
If it's posted there is reason to suspect.
Whether, it is read or responded too, is another thing.
BTW I don't see anyone here responding to everything.
Thats common knowledge.
I'm referring to a non outside induced, way of unknowing.
People have to ask you the same questions four or five times before you even acknowledge their questions even exist.
In defense of the bible, even though I am personally agnostic, the Hebrew word used for "day" in Genesis is the same word that can mean a thousand years. It was translated to day to show "God" is not constrained to the same time/space that we are.
http://www.icr.org/article/meaning-day-genesis/
Just a little something the majority of Christians don't know.
You may want to check your sources, as the main places that make that claim happen to be Creation and Young Earth sites.
The word is Hebrew for day....
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Yom
...however that has not stopped it being reinterpretted by those with a rather clear agenda....
http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis.html
It would make sense for both groups to use it, as defining a Genesis day as a thousand years would allow young earthers to claim the 10k period as the age of the Earth (not all go for 6k)."Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co." is the source for the definition you have provided; which is clearly a very outdated definition.
Those who have pushed the definition of yom as an unspecified time/millenia are actually old-earth creationists and not young earth, as it would make no sense for a young earth creationist to push for "yom" meaning a long period. http://www.oldearth.org/word_study_yom.htm
Which is once again a biblical site providing that interpretation, I'm yet to find a non-biblical source making that claim. This source is better than most in that it does show that in a singular form Yom (as its used in Genesis) is a day, and is used in a revised or plural form to indicate a different period of time (and in the same way that 'day' and 'days' are clearly not the same period of time).There are multiple instances in the bible in which the hebrew word "yom" is used to denote a period of time, or age, instead of a 24 hour period (not that I believe anything in the bible, or hold it in any regard as factual information).
The Hebrew language is not as diverse as the English. In many cases one word can be translated to many when going from Hebrew to English.
Here you can clearly see all the possible translations: http://concordances.org/hebrew/3117.htm
And good luck finding one lol. The only sources that pop up on Google are in some way affiliated with creationism or some type of religion.
But really, what other field would have any reason to find multiple translations for a Hebrew word used in different contexts in the bible. Most scientific/academic institutions could certainly care less. Only reason I am even aware of it is a private Christian education; which I have significantly distanced myself from.
You guys crack me up with these Genesis arguments, the story does not depict the creation of earth, only an age of the earth. It's the ultimate straw man argument anyway, disproving the bible does not disprove God's existence. I've said it way too many times in this thread, I don't care if you believe what the book says or not, but at least try to interpret it properly.
Sorry for your loss.Moving on, I pop'd in here not to stir any pots or debate regarding what the bible says or means, I found something a few days ago that I found interesting so I will share the link. It's important to me because my family recently lost a loved one and I think it may have given some comfort to a few close to me.
A scientist rethinking things, not some crack pot, but maybe he cracked lol, it's a good read.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...a-doctor-s-experience-with-the-afterlife.html
I might have bought his book but I think he gave away the most I would get from it for free.
First no one is trying to 'disprove God', as has been covered many times you can't disprove a claimed existence, burden of proof and all that.You guys crack me up with these Genesis arguments, the story does not depict the creation of earth, only an age of the earth. It's the ultimate straw man argument anyway, disproving the bible does not disprove God's existence. I've said it way too many times in this thread, I don't care if you believe what the book says or not, but at least try to interpret it properly.
Really? Throwing around borderline digs is not an attempt to 'stir pots'?Moving on, I pop'd in here not to stir any pots or debate regarding what the bible says or means, I found something a few days ago that I found interesting so I will share the link. It's important to me because my family recently lost a loved one and I think it may have given some comfort to a few close to me.
It does look interesting in the vein that NDE is, but as proof of life after death correct me if I'm wrong but he didn't die?A scientist rethinking things, not some crack pot, but maybe he cracked lol, it's a good read.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...a-doctor-s-experience-with-the-afterlife.html
I might have bought his book but I think he gave away the most I would get from it for free.
And from where does the spirit originate?
All that I am is behind my eyes. You could excise my brain from my body and place it into a robot body and I'd retain the entirety of my personality - except for the part where I get annoyed because my knee hurts.
This applies to you also. You'd keep your mind, your thoughts, your intelligence and your faith.
Now you appear to be arguing for an interconnectedness between what you call "spiritual knowledge" and what you call "carnal knowledge" - which is odd given your previous distinctions.
Incidentally it's worth noting that electricity is only magnetic when it moves or changes and magnetism is only electrical when it moves or changes. A static magnetic field generates no electricity and a static electrical field generates no magnetism. It's also worth noting that the two phenomena are inverse waveforms of one another, unified under the field of electromagnetism.
Uhh... This doesn't seem to be a response to what you quoted..
You expressed relief at reading the concept that scientists and atheists are always open to any new knowledge, I pointed out that scientists and atheists have been saying this throughout this thread... how does what you said relate to that?.[/color][/b]
Word roots tell us what words mean. "Carnal" refers to the flesh..
You do seem to selectively read though. Everyone responds to what you say, to varying degrees of completeness - sometimes entire posts, sometimes specific sentences - but you do not do them the courtesy of reciprocating. People have to ask you the same questions four or five times before you even acknowledge their questions even exist..
If you do not have time to read and respond, you do this discussion no favours at all as it appears you ignore large chunks of it even when directed to you. Take the time to read everything before you respond, rather than dipping in and out of it.
Then it would be fair to point out that there is no non-outside induced way of knowing.
The relevance of how I can't "unknow" my child to the discussion is still unclear.