Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in god?

  • Of course, without him nothing would exist!

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  • Maybe.

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  • No way!

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Well, a lot of religions have different dogmas, so what makes yours correct versus theirs?

well i guess it does come down to what you believe

If he loved us and wanted us saved, he would do so without us appeasing his ego - God is a narcissist, and Christianity mirrors that. I have a post in there I'll dig up on that subject if you want.

yes, please dig up that post

No, it isn't. Most people realize they don't hold those figures to the same level as God, but they do worship them in the sense of prayer, Hail Mary's, etc. Then you have all the icons that are prayed to, which goes against the idolatry aspect.



Unless you didn't get baptized correctly. Then you're screwed.

That's not true


@DQuaN
I hope not

@Exorcet

Purposely, inflicting pain, ignorance, and suffering is not love

God does not do that to us if that's what you meant by this.
Plus Christians are not polytheistic!!!

@R1600Turbo
Well you will see him after you die on judgement day
 
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well i guess it does come down to what you believe
That's not how it works. I you believe something, it means you think it's true. So if someone asks you why something is true, it's the same as asking why you believe it.

So your answer doesn't answer the question. What makes you think Christianity is true?

Keep in mind you're telling us that if we don't believe, we'll go to hell, so you should want us to believe you. But none of us will believe without a reason, so what reason can you give us?
 
if you want a super quick answer it's because Jesus passed on the gospel to the apostles and told them to spread the gospel message to all the nations
 
I don't particularly want a super quick answer, but anyway...

How do you know Jesus did that?
 
Purposely, inflicting pain, ignorance, and suffering is not love

God does not do that to us if that's what you meant by this.

Some examples of God violently killing people:

Genesis 19:4-5
Ezekiel 16:46-47 (specifically Ezekiel 16:49-50)

Genesis 6:8

Exodus 12:29

Leviticus 10:1-3
 
I've read many books before, but I have never believed the content included inside was absolute truth, because books are not proof of anything.

I like to think of these things in terms of "tests" that I can perform to determine truth.

In this case, what test or question can I ask that will show the Bible to be true, but won't show other, fictional books to be true as well.

For example, if I believe it because many other people believe it's true, then I would also have to believe the Qur'an, which you have said isn't true. Therefore, that wouldn't be a valid test.
 
What's it been wrong about?
The history of the universe for one thing. Nothing in Genesis makes sense, and the whole creation story makes it pretty clear that God isn't interested in making life for humans for very good.

At the very least he could have done this:

 
well i guess it does come down to what you believe

The issue is by being adamant your faith is correct, you are denying the faith of others. This is part of my issue in these religions is they require everyone else to be wrong so they can be correct, while offering little wiggle room in most cases.

yes, please dig up that post

I dug up the two most recent bits where I mention this.

Here I talk about why I moved away from Christianity.

And with this post, I mention the apparent apathy of an all powerful god.

@DQuaN
I hope not

Hope he doesn't hell, or hope that he doesn't not believe in Jesus?

Which is it?
 
Then you have chronically misread or misunderstood the point.

There is no such thing as non-electrical electricity. All electricity is electrical.
There is no such thing as non-knowledge knowledge. All knowledge is knowledge.
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No misunderstanding at all.
All knowledge is knowledge.

The differentiation I'm claiming is not all knowledge originates in the intellect, but is spiritually discerned or originates in a person's spirit.

That is why it is accessable or findable, only through faith.

BTW, as I said, all electricity is electrical, and magnetic as well and vice versa.
Knowledge concerning one, automatically and consequentially involves the other.

We've been saying this repeatedly throughout the thread.

Exactly.
That's why it doesn't matter, at least technically, where it originates.

"Carnal" specifically means "fleshy" - from the Latin carne (meaning flesh), with the same root as "carnivore" (flesh-eating).

From the above list, only the body comes under that remit.

That is the root word, yes.

If you do not have the time to respond to direct question from others you have no business asking direct questions of others - we have no reason to suspect you'll take the time to read them.

If it's posted there is reason to suspect.
Whether, it is read or responded too, is another thing.
BTW I don't see anyone here responding to everything.

It's also
Incidentally, with sufficient precision and electricity, you can be made to unknow just about anything. It's not relevant though.

Thats common knowledge.
I'm referring to a non outside induced, way of unknowing.
 
No misunderstanding at all.
All knowledge is knowledge.

The differentiation I'm claiming is not all knowledge originates in the intellect, but is spiritually discerned or originates in a person's spirit.

And from where does the spirit originate?

All that I am is behind my eyes. You could excise my brain from my body and place it into a robot body and I'd retain the entirety of my personality - except for the part where I get annoyed because my knee hurts.

This applies to you also. You'd keep your mind, your thoughts, your intelligence and your faith.


BTW, as I said, all electricity is electrical, and magnetic as well and vice versa.
Knowledge concerning one, automatically and consequentially involves the other.

Now you appear to be arguing for an interconnectedness between what you call "spiritual knowledge" and what you call "carnal knowledge" - which is odd given your previous distinctions.


Incidentally it's worth noting that electricity is only magnetic when it moves or changes and magnetism is only electrical when it moves or changes. A static magnetic field generates no electricity and a static electrical field generates no magnetism. It's also worth noting that the two phenomena are inverse waveforms of one another, unified under the field of electromagnetism.


Exactly.
That's why it doesn't matter, at least technically, where it originates.

Uhh... This doesn't seem to be a response to what you quoted.

You expressed relief at reading the concept that scientists and atheists are always open to any new knowledge, I pointed out that scientists and atheists have been saying this throughout this thread... how does what you said relate to that?


That is the root word, yes.

Word roots tell us what words mean. "Carnal" refers to the flesh.

If it's posted there is reason to suspect.
Whether, it is read or responded too, is another thing.
BTW I don't see anyone here responding to everything.

You do seem to selectively read though. Everyone responds to what you say, to varying degrees of completeness - sometimes entire posts, sometimes specific sentences - but you do not do them the courtesy of reciprocating. People have to ask you the same questions four or five times before you even acknowledge their questions even exist.

If you do not have time to read and respond, you do this discussion no favours at all as it appears you ignore large chunks of it even when directed to you. Take the time to read everything before you respond, rather than dipping in and out of it.


Thats common knowledge.
I'm referring to a non outside induced, way of unknowing.

Then it would be fair to point out that there is no non-outside induced way of knowing.

The relevance of how I can't "unknow" my child to the discussion is still unclear.
 
Okay, so if we make the assumption that there is one and one god only - to make things easier, we'll go with the Christian / Muslim / Jewish one. White dude, big beard, not Santa. Him.

A couple of millennia ago, he created the universe and everything in it in that six day working week he has. Right?

Now, ignoring the terrestrial concerns such as oil, fossils and evidence of evolution, can we look at the rest of the universe?

It's fair to say that, on current thinking, the universe and time are infinite as they are continuously expanding. This means that the maths around the laws of probability points to there being life out there somewhere. Or that there has been. Or will be.

Did god create that life as well? If so, have they been given the same 200-odd Commandments? Have they been saved by a visit from Jesus? Do they have their own heaven or do they share ours?
 
In defense of the bible, even though I am personally agnostic, the Hebrew word used for "day" in Genesis is the same word that can mean a thousand years. It was translated to day to show "God" is not constrained to the same time/space that we are.

http://www.icr.org/article/meaning-day-genesis/

Just a little something the majority of Christians don't know.

You may want to check your sources, as the main places that make that claim happen to be Creation and Young Earth sites.

The word is Hebrew for day....

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Yom

...however that has not stopped it being reinterpretted by those with a rather clear agenda....

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis.html
 
It also doesn't help that the story would make exactly as much sense no matter what you redefined day to mean (light without stars? separating day and night?).
 
You may want to check your sources, as the main places that make that claim happen to be Creation and Young Earth sites.

The word is Hebrew for day....

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Yom

...however that has not stopped it being reinterpretted by those with a rather clear agenda....

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis.html

"Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co." is the source for the definition you have provided; which is clearly a very outdated definition.

Those who have pushed the definition of yom as an unspecified time/millenia are actually old-earth creationists and not young earth, as it would make no sense for a young earth creationist to push for "yom" meaning a long period. http://www.oldearth.org/word_study_yom.htm

There are multiple instances in the bible in which the hebrew word "yom" is used to denote a period of time, or age, instead of a 24 hour period (not that I believe anything in the bible, or hold it in any regard as factual information).

The Hebrew language is not as diverse as the English. In many cases one word can be translated to many when going from Hebrew to English.

Here you can clearly see all the possible translations: http://concordances.org/hebrew/3117.htm
 
"Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co." is the source for the definition you have provided; which is clearly a very outdated definition.

Those who have pushed the definition of yom as an unspecified time/millenia are actually old-earth creationists and not young earth, as it would make no sense for a young earth creationist to push for "yom" meaning a long period. http://www.oldearth.org/word_study_yom.htm
It would make sense for both groups to use it, as defining a Genesis day as a thousand years would allow young earthers to claim the 10k period as the age of the Earth (not all go for 6k).



There are multiple instances in the bible in which the hebrew word "yom" is used to denote a period of time, or age, instead of a 24 hour period (not that I believe anything in the bible, or hold it in any regard as factual information).

The Hebrew language is not as diverse as the English. In many cases one word can be translated to many when going from Hebrew to English.

Here you can clearly see all the possible translations: http://concordances.org/hebrew/3117.htm
Which is once again a biblical site providing that interpretation, I'm yet to find a non-biblical source making that claim. This source is better than most in that it does show that in a singular form Yom (as its used in Genesis) is a day, and is used in a revised or plural form to indicate a different period of time (and in the same way that 'day' and 'days' are clearly not the same period of time).
 
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And good luck finding one lol. The only sources that pop up on Google are in some way affiliated with creationism or some type of religion.

But really, what other field would have any reason to find multiple translations for a Hebrew word used in different contexts in the bible. Most scientific/academic institutions could certainly care less. Only reason I am even aware of it is a private Christian education; which I have significantly distanced myself from.
 
And good luck finding one lol. The only sources that pop up on Google are in some way affiliated with creationism or some type of religion.

But really, what other field would have any reason to find multiple translations for a Hebrew word used in different contexts in the bible. Most scientific/academic institutions could certainly care less. Only reason I am even aware of it is a private Christian education; which I have significantly distanced myself from.

That's the exact point I'm making, the only sources of this claim are from those who would have an interest in giving it multiple meanings. Which taints them as sources.
 
You guys crack me up with these Genesis arguments, the story does not depict the creation of earth, only an age of the earth. It's the ultimate straw man argument anyway, disproving the bible does not disprove God's existence. I've said it way too many times in this thread, I don't care if you believe what the book says or not, but at least try to interpret it properly.

Moving on, I pop'd in here not to stir any pots or debate regarding what the bible says or means, I found something a few days ago that I found interesting so I will share the link. It's important to me because my family recently lost a loved one and I think it may have given some comfort to a few close to me.

A scientist rethinking things, not some crack pot, but maybe he cracked lol, it's a good read.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...a-doctor-s-experience-with-the-afterlife.html

I might have bought his book but I think he gave away the most I would get from it for free.
 
You guys crack me up with these Genesis arguments, the story does not depict the creation of earth, only an age of the earth. It's the ultimate straw man argument anyway, disproving the bible does not disprove God's existence. I've said it way too many times in this thread, I don't care if you believe what the book says or not, but at least try to interpret it properly.

How true, it only disproves the Bible and whatever arguments are based on the Bible being something more than a book of stories. This isn't a surprise.

Moving on, I pop'd in here not to stir any pots or debate regarding what the bible says or means, I found something a few days ago that I found interesting so I will share the link. It's important to me because my family recently lost a loved one and I think it may have given some comfort to a few close to me.
Sorry for your loss.

A scientist rethinking things, not some crack pot, but maybe he cracked lol, it's a good read.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...a-doctor-s-experience-with-the-afterlife.html

I might have bought his book but I think he gave away the most I would get from it for free.

He insists that his dream occurred while his brain was completely off, but then he woke up. At some point the brain stopped being off, and that's probably when the dream occurred.

He was also a Christian before this.
 
You guys crack me up with these Genesis arguments, the story does not depict the creation of earth, only an age of the earth. It's the ultimate straw man argument anyway, disproving the bible does not disprove God's existence. I've said it way too many times in this thread, I don't care if you believe what the book says or not, but at least try to interpret it properly.
First no one is trying to 'disprove God', as has been covered many times you can't disprove a claimed existence, burden of proof and all that.

As for interpreting it correctly I'd would be interested in you demonstrate a clear and unified consensus on that among Christians.



Moving on, I pop'd in here not to stir any pots or debate regarding what the bible says or means, I found something a few days ago that I found interesting so I will share the link. It's important to me because my family recently lost a loved one and I think it may have given some comfort to a few close to me.
Really? Throwing around borderline digs is not an attempt to 'stir pots'?


A scientist rethinking things, not some crack pot, but maybe he cracked lol, it's a good read.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...a-doctor-s-experience-with-the-afterlife.html

I might have bought his book but I think he gave away the most I would get from it for free.
It does look interesting in the vein that NDE is, but as proof of life after death correct me if I'm wrong but he didn't die?
 
And from where does the spirit originate?

God of course.

All that I am is behind my eyes. You could excise my brain from my body and place it into a robot body and I'd retain the entirety of my personality - except for the part where I get annoyed because my knee hurts.

This applies to you also. You'd keep your mind, your thoughts, your intelligence and your faith.

Thats like saying all thats in a computer is hardware.
More to it than that.
On the faith, no I wouldn't.
Faith is of and by your spirit, or soul, heart and will.
The intellect cannot percieve the reality of it, because it is outside the dimensional capacity of the carnal intellect.
However, I would say that the intellect can examine it, and fully well realize there is something to it.

Now you appear to be arguing for an interconnectedness between what you call "spiritual knowledge" and what you call "carnal knowledge" - which is odd given your previous distinctions.

They are interconnected.
Electrical knowledge must also, and does, include magnetic knowledge.
Two different entities, which are present simultaneously.
That which comes through the spirit is instantly percived, intellectually, even though it did not originate there.

This is a difficult concept possibly, for you to grasp, since you are convinced the intellect functions on it's own and is all there is.

Again this is why I draw attention to relational aspects with women.
They, generally speaking, do not operate primarily from a logic intellect,
position as we men do.
There is truly a great reason for this though, in that we can be influenced and balanced with respect to all dimensions.

It's no wonder, God gave you two daughters.
He gave me two as well.

Incidentally it's worth noting that electricity is only magnetic when it moves or changes and magnetism is only electrical when it moves or changes. A static magnetic field generates no electricity and a static electrical field generates no magnetism. It's also worth noting that the two phenomena are inverse waveforms of one another, unified under the field of electromagnetism.

True.
Flow is involved, for the presence of both.

Uhh... This doesn't seem to be a response to what you quoted..

Knowledge is knowledge, and there are all kinds of knowledge.
Where it originates, is irrelevant.

You expressed relief at reading the concept that scientists and atheists are always open to any new knowledge, I pointed out that scientists and atheists have been saying this throughout this thread... how does what you said relate to that?.[/color][/b]

The only problem here is the reluctance to percieve spiritual knowledge, is to a degree, just another branch of science, although it is much more than that.
However, due to it's unique nature, it has to be pursued and conducted under different procedures, than normally instituted.

Word roots tell us what words mean. "Carnal" refers to the flesh..

The Bible just takes it a step further to include all physical related aspects.

You do seem to selectively read though. Everyone responds to what you say, to varying degrees of completeness - sometimes entire posts, sometimes specific sentences - but you do not do them the courtesy of reciprocating. People have to ask you the same questions four or five times before you even acknowledge their questions even exist..

I pretty much read all of them, but they go off in many different directions, and cannot get to all of them.
I suppose I could go back several pages, but I would have to go back further and further as time goes on.

If you do not have time to read and respond, you do this discussion no favours at all as it appears you ignore large chunks of it even when directed to you. Take the time to read everything before you respond, rather than dipping in and out of it.

Well if I could slow it down to my time frame, I could get to them, but I'd have to stop it for days at a time, to do that.
The best I can do is offer my apologies to anyone I did not answer.

Then it would be fair to point out that there is no non-outside induced way of knowing.

All things being normal, there is know way that I know of, to unknow someone or something.

The relevance of how I can't "unknow" my child to the discussion is still unclear.

The relevance is, like Dr. Hugh Ross, I can't unknow the dimensional reality of someone and something that I know,
because there is no scientific evidence, it exists, or evidence appears contrary to the someone's account.
 
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