Dragon Trail’s bus stop
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Ok, I'll go home.
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I'm not familiar with the Russian track, but it has a bus stop where cars enter at that speed, with that narrow of a corridor for a safe exit? Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't the main purpose of a bus stop chicane to slow down cars so that the next turn doesn't become unsafe? But people are taking the bus stop on Dragon Trail with no speed reduction either entering or leaving it.
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- Somebodyshootme
No flicking of the wheel, a smooth transition is needed, my best way of describing it is "firm and concise".
On the exit of the bus stop, by the rumble strip on the left side of the exit I am already steering somewhat to the right.
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- Spurgy777
No need, just launch your car at it and hope for the best, what's the worse that could happen? Ok you might hit the walls causing a massive pile up and giving half the grid engine damage, but look on the bright side, the other half of the grid have only been mildly inconvenienced and are damage-free!
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- Rockhampton.
I cant tell you how many times I have died, destroyed cars, employed panel beaters at various bus stop incidents. Between here and downhill at mount panorama, I would hate to be on my pit crew!
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- Vienna
Not sure this is the best way generally but this is the way how I do it and what is best for me:
First of all I enter the right/left combination as early as possible, I go fully over the curbs on the right, but usually only the left wheels will go over the left curbs (up to here everything is full throttle of course, this should work with pretty much any car). My goal is to be in a straight line as soon as possible after the right/left so I can can concentrate on when to steer to the left again, as this is by far the most tricky part.
The upcoming walls do have an angle at the end, and what you want to do is drive parallel to the wall at the end where it is angled, because if you are in this angle and if you are close to the wall then there is a small path to push through there.
So the point is to start steering towards the wall rather early (before the curbs on the right end), but only a little, so you line yourself up to be parallel to the wall on the left where it ends.
So it is less of steering left and right, but rather steering a bit to the left, lining yourself up for the end of the wall, to push through in pretty much a straight line, and then as soon as you have cleared the wall (at a close distance) start steering to the right (only if you see you have enough room for the wall on the right of course...).
If you follow this line then you also only have to steer to the right a bit at the exit and run much less danger of hitting the wall to the left after the exit.
What you absolutely do not want to do is start steering to the left on the small straight too late - if you start steering to the left after the curbs have ended you are definitely too late - you won't have a problem with hitting the corner on the left, but you have to greatly reduce speed to not hit the corner on the right and the wall to the left after the exist.
Regarding when to lift the throttle: it is possible to go through this flat out with the M6, I have done it a couple of times in qualifying, but more often than not I crash. So this is very risky in my opinion. So the much safer way is to lift the throttle, I'd say around where the curbs are on the small straight, this will give you a larger margin for error, so you can start steering to the left a bit later (but not much!), and allows you to clear the two corners at a safer distance without running the risk of hitting the wall at the exit.
Someone above said to see it as one large left turn - I don't see it that way, but i guess depending on your style this is what might work for some/many. I find it easier to line myself up for the left/right if I am approaching this in a straight line.
But the main point in my opinion is to think of this more of lining yourself up to push through in pretty much a straight line, rather than a turn to the left and one to the right.
In the end it is a bit similar to the double chicane on Yamagiwa at the bottom, where you also have to try to push through in pretty much a straight line. Of course the risk at the Dragon Trail bus stop is much higher though
First of all I enter the right/left combination as early as possible, I go fully over the curbs on the right, but usually only the left wheels will go over the left curbs (up to here everything is full throttle of course, this should work with pretty much any car). My goal is to be in a straight line as soon as possible after the right/left so I can can concentrate on when to steer to the left again, as this is by far the most tricky part.
The upcoming walls do have an angle at the end, and what you want to do is drive parallel to the wall at the end where it is angled, because if you are in this angle and if you are close to the wall then there is a small path to push through there.
So the point is to start steering towards the wall rather early (before the curbs on the right end), but only a little, so you line yourself up to be parallel to the wall on the left where it ends.
So it is less of steering left and right, but rather steering a bit to the left, lining yourself up for the end of the wall, to push through in pretty much a straight line, and then as soon as you have cleared the wall (at a close distance) start steering to the right (only if you see you have enough room for the wall on the right of course...).
If you follow this line then you also only have to steer to the right a bit at the exit and run much less danger of hitting the wall to the left after the exit.
What you absolutely do not want to do is start steering to the left on the small straight too late - if you start steering to the left after the curbs have ended you are definitely too late - you won't have a problem with hitting the corner on the left, but you have to greatly reduce speed to not hit the corner on the right and the wall to the left after the exist.
Regarding when to lift the throttle: it is possible to go through this flat out with the M6, I have done it a couple of times in qualifying, but more often than not I crash. So this is very risky in my opinion. So the much safer way is to lift the throttle, I'd say around where the curbs are on the small straight, this will give you a larger margin for error, so you can start steering to the left a bit later (but not much!), and allows you to clear the two corners at a safer distance without running the risk of hitting the wall at the exit.
Someone above said to see it as one large left turn - I don't see it that way, but i guess depending on your style this is what might work for some/many. I find it easier to line myself up for the left/right if I am approaching this in a straight line.
But the main point in my opinion is to think of this more of lining yourself up to push through in pretty much a straight line, rather than a turn to the left and one to the right.
In the end it is a bit similar to the double chicane on Yamagiwa at the bottom, where you also have to try to push through in pretty much a straight line. Of course the risk at the Dragon Trail bus stop is much higher though
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- Canada
I noticed that if you go straight through the chicanes without even cutting any of the corners, your car ghosts in one spot, I watched a replay of my race and saw that my car ghosted every single lap in the same spot through the chicanes with a straight racing line through it. Weird.
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- Germany
Any section that resembles a hard left/right then straight for a short section, then a hard right/left, is a "bus stop".
Turns 8,9,10,11 on Daytona, for example.
On this section I think the third person view is not very good. Just my opinion but that view in particular blocks the view of the turns, and nose or hood cam let's you use more visual aids to hit the corner just right. So if it's tripping you up and you are using third person, try nose camera or hood cam.
Thank you! Hugely helpful!
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- Shottah072
Most gr.3 and 4 cars should be able to go full thorttle. But whatever you do, dont brake, that is bound to cause trouble in a race.
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- Hungary
Wow, impressive. I have never managed (or had balls?
) to make the exit quicker than 190-195 kph, which is ~120mphi wonder if it would also depend on what camera you use when driving... maybe one that gives more feel of the car corners might help?
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- Somebodyshootme
Basically what I meant by one left hand turn through there, but your description of it is way better :-)Not sure this is the best way generally but this is the way how I do it and what is best for me:
First of all I enter the right/left combination as early as possible, I go fully over the curbs on the right, but usually only the left wheels will go over the left curbs (up to here everything is full throttle of course, this should work with pretty much any car). My goal is to be in a straight line as soon as possible after the right/left so I can can concentrate on when to steer to the left again, as this is by far the most tricky part.
The upcoming walls do have an angle at the end, and what you want to do is drive parallel to the wall at the end where it is angled, because if you are in this angle and if you are close to the wall then there is a small path to push through there.
So the point is to start steering towards the wall rather early (before the curbs on the right end), but only a little, so you line yourself up to be parallel to the wall on the left where it ends.
So it is less of steering left and right, but rather steering a bit to the left, lining yourself up for the end of the wall, to push through in pretty much a straight line, and then as soon as you have cleared the wall (at a close distance) start steering to the right (only if you see you have enough room for the wall on the right of course...).
If you follow this line then you also only have to steer to the right a bit at the exit and run much less danger of hitting the wall to the left after the exit.
What you absolutely do not want to do is start steering to the left on the small straight too late - if you start steering to the left after the curbs have ended you are definitely too late - you won't have a problem with hitting the corner on the left, but you have to greatly reduce speed to not hit the corner on the right and the wall to the left after the exist.
Regarding when to lift the throttle: it is possible to go through this flat out with the M6, I have done it a couple of times in qualifying, but more often than not I crash. So this is very risky in my opinion. So the much safer way is to lift the throttle, I'd say around where the curbs are on the small straight, this will give you a larger margin for error, so you can start steering to the left a bit later (but not much!), and allows you to clear the two corners at a safer distance without running the risk of hitting the wall at the exit.
Someone above said to see it as one large left turn - I don't see it that way, but i guess depending on your style this is what might work for some/many. I find it easier to line myself up for the left/right if I am approaching this in a straight line.
But the main point in my opinion is to think of this more of lining yourself up to push through in pretty much a straight line, rather than a turn to the left and one to the right.
In the end it is a bit similar to the double chicane on Yamagiwa at the bottom, where you also have to try to push through in pretty much a straight line. Of course the risk at the Dragon Trail bus stop is much higher though
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