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The M4 and Supra were leagues above the X-Bow and S-FR at that track. 
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- United Kingdom
- Hasnain282
Did the first slot of Manufacturers last night. 4 tenths separated 2nd-15th in quali and I was 15th 
First couple of laps weren't great and I lost the slipstream but on lap 6 it all kicked off up ahead so I caught up and made some positions through others' misfortunes right through to the end.
Did 2nd slot of Nations and I was the only one in the 08 GTR in the lobby. Was another very close quali with the top 5 separated by 0.043 and somehow I was on pole.
Was genuinely not expecting it and was just laughing when I got it 
I did a 1 stop in the race as I wasn't up for driving on rims, but unfortunately I didn't drive so well in terms of decision making. Was on for about 6th place but I made a mistake on T1 and then lost it on the kerb on the exit and ended up 18th. A shame, but a decent amount of action in the race regardless.
First couple of laps weren't great and I lost the slipstream but on lap 6 it all kicked off up ahead so I caught up and made some positions through others' misfortunes right through to the end.
Did 2nd slot of Nations and I was the only one in the 08 GTR in the lobby. Was another very close quali with the top 5 separated by 0.043 and somehow I was on pole.
Was genuinely not expecting it and was just laughing when I got it I did a 1 stop in the race as I wasn't up for driving on rims, but unfortunately I didn't drive so well in terms of decision making. Was on for about 6th place but I made a mistake on T1 and then lost it on the kerb on the exit and ended up 18th. A shame, but a decent amount of action in the race regardless.
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- Fayetteville, AR
- DNA_Pelikan
Man oh man. The Red Bull Ring is a blast in Gr.3 cars. The climb to turn 2 always builds so much excitement and then racing back down to the start/finish for another lap is very reminiscent of a roller coaster. Some of the closest racing I have witnessed.
My goal was to rake in some big points in the early room and call it a night. Unfortunately, I picked up a well deserved penalty the first race and ended up serving the it in the penalty zone before the pit. I didn’t feel like I could safely reenter without distracting other drivers so I ended up parking and dropping from 8th to last.
The second race was my best if the evening. I finished 7th and bagged nearly 1900pts. I still hadn’t had a solid qualifying so I took a gamble and ran the last race. I was aiming at a top 5 finish.
The stars had aligned for the last room of the night. I put in a sub 1:30 lap and started on the grid in 8th. I went into full attack for T1 and for whatever reason instead of upshifting to 3rd to kill wheelspin on the bumpy exit I tried to wind out 2nd which essentially turned my Mustang into a bottle rocket with no stem. I managed to keep it facing the right direction but immediate threw away my chances of a top 5.
Overall, a great evening of racing with very talented and fast drivers. RBR is hands down one of my favorite tracks. Onward to Autopolis.
My goal was to rake in some big points in the early room and call it a night. Unfortunately, I picked up a well deserved penalty the first race and ended up serving the it in the penalty zone before the pit. I didn’t feel like I could safely reenter without distracting other drivers so I ended up parking and dropping from 8th to last.
The second race was my best if the evening. I finished 7th and bagged nearly 1900pts. I still hadn’t had a solid qualifying so I took a gamble and ran the last race. I was aiming at a top 5 finish.
The stars had aligned for the last room of the night. I put in a sub 1:30 lap and started on the grid in 8th. I went into full attack for T1 and for whatever reason instead of upshifting to 3rd to kill wheelspin on the bumpy exit I tried to wind out 2nd which essentially turned my Mustang into a bottle rocket with no stem. I managed to keep it facing the right direction but immediate threw away my chances of a top 5.
Overall, a great evening of racing with very talented and fast drivers. RBR is hands down one of my favorite tracks. Onward to Autopolis.
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- Paint booth
- FMecha_EXE
Manufacturers: Spin, spin, spin... during qualifying, at least.
Nations: Didn't bother finishing because of tire wear issues (I only had a '08 NSX, of which I was supposed to debut a new livery based on an offsite B-spec/RP series, but I ran into creative issues). I ran softs during qualifying, moved rear tires to mediums, pitted so that I have medium in both, quit.
I seemingly find more luck in Gr.4 races in manufacturer's races.
Nations: Didn't bother finishing because of tire wear issues (I only had a '08 NSX, of which I was supposed to debut a new livery based on an offsite B-spec/RP series, but I ran into creative issues). I ran softs during qualifying, moved rear tires to mediums, pitted so that I have medium in both, quit.
I seemingly find more luck in Gr.4 races in manufacturer's races.
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- Sunny Glasgow
- Uncle_baz
- UncleBaz
So, i done the Nations last night.. went for the 1 stop as in practice my tyres were gone in 9 laps and I didn't enjoy it. Qualified 10th on my first lap..messed the last one up..again. Got myself upto 6th and on the last lap 5th gets a penalty. So decided not to take any chances, 7th catches us on the last corner and boom, they shove it up the inside and just understeer right into me..and u can guess what happens next... rolled over in 9th. Totally frustrated..so that was it for the night
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- OutlawQuadrant
What an absolute waste of an evening.
RBR is a strong track for me and one of my favorites. I really thought it would be a strong Pug track but it wasn't at all. The curbs were evil, T2 required traction control to overcome the horrendous 1st gear, just about everyone did all three slots and I got blocked during qualifying. I needed 5th or better to improve my Manu points but the car simply wasn't up to it.
Worst of all, all our rivals gained big points and Pug is suddenly not looking good now.
PS: The new slipstream is flat out awful and needs to go.
RBR is a strong track for me and one of my favorites. I really thought it would be a strong Pug track but it wasn't at all. The curbs were evil, T2 required traction control to overcome the horrendous 1st gear, just about everyone did all three slots and I got blocked during qualifying. I needed 5th or better to improve my Manu points but the car simply wasn't up to it.
Worst of all, all our rivals gained big points and Pug is suddenly not looking good now.
PS: The new slipstream is flat out awful and needs to go.
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- FT_Ant
New slipstream is amazing. Not ridiculous DRS like anymore.
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- paracuru
- praiano63
I agree for the level of force of the stream but not the distance of the effect. With the GR2 cars on fuji i was able to take the slipstream of a car 1 sc ahead till the end of the straight. 1 second at 200 /250 kmh represent 50 to 70 meters of distance. I don't think it's physically possible , but yes , even like this , it's a lot better than before.
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- United Kingdom
- breeminator
- breeminator
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- paracuru
- praiano63
^Funny but not really relevant, what really happens is that they have a penalty the first lap from the air, then it's slightly less after that.
But seriously, why do people seem to think that getting a slipstream 1 second ahead isn't realistic? Have they ever watched any actual racing? Indycar drivers say they can feel a benefit for a car a whole straightaway ahead at IMS, that's almost 10 seconds...
But seriously, why do people seem to think that getting a slipstream 1 second ahead isn't realistic? Have they ever watched any actual racing? Indycar drivers say they can feel a benefit for a car a whole straightaway ahead at IMS, that's almost 10 seconds...
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- OutlawQuadrant
For me, the slipstream feels even stronger but it could be more of the distance where it could be picked up. Regardless, it means getting dirty air further away and it's the one area in which trying to minic reality makes no sense. The one advantage of a virtual world is the capability to remove real world problems that are detrimental to racing. I'd rather have weak slipstream and eliminate dirty air effects altogether but that's just me.
Now, as for Wednesday's Manu combo, annoying they are repeating something we did in preseason. Suffice it to say I'm skipping given what happened last time.
Now, as for Wednesday's Manu combo, annoying they are repeating something we did in preseason. Suffice it to say I'm skipping given what happened last time.
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- Iowa
- pfei
Sorry, I missed most of preseason. What exactly is the problem? Tire wear? Because I did some practice lobbies and still can't decide whether to no-stop on mediums, no-stop on hards or one-stop on mediums. Ferrari 458 GT4.
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- OutlawQuadrant
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- Iowa
- pfei
As just an A driver I'm not sure how relevant my info is for you, but I feel more comfortable on hards because the drop-off is more gradual. I can push the whole race, whereas on mediums I was tip-toeing around trying not to wear them out and that causes me to be inconsistent. I only did three races and didn't note the times. I was just trying out different possibilities. However my race on hards was by far my best. I had to pit on lap one to put them on since the new practice/qualy/race format caught me out, but all the races had a couple A+ drivers (all on M) in there and the first two races on M I was losing 1-1.5s a lap. With the hards however, I was four seconds behind the leader when I pit to swap the M for H, and I finished 22s behind. Which means I gained about 2s on the A+ rated leader on those seven laps with the hards even though those lead drivers were smashing me by 1.5s in qualy (I think I was putting in high 54s in qualy on M). The last few laps I was watching the timers and I was steadily cutting the gap a tenth or two per sector in the closing laps. I think my best lap on hards was mid-55 whereas the "aliens" were doing mid-54s (in one race I saw a 53-something fastest lap) on M in the beginning but dropping off quickly because of wear.
Like I said, I'm fast but nowhere near alien level, and on top of that I don't practice much, so I'm not sure how relevant all this is but hopefully it at least gives you a general idea of what you're looking at.
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- United States
With the Gr.4 Porsche, I feel like I'm fighting the car in every turn. It wants to burn up those tires so bad. Granted, I'm just an A driver, so I have a lot to learn, but this round is the most "off the pace" I've been yet. Can't seem to make the tyres work.
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- boitcon
Both Nations and Manu are full of sliding around this week. Those tires are gonna burn!
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- pfei
Manu is no doubt a no-stop on mediums. Did a 15:34 with my modest speed. 1:54 flat fastest lap. Then another high 54, a couple in the 55s, a couple in the 56s, and the last laps 57s and low 58. Only pushed on lap 2. The rest were managing tires.
I can imagine the top drivers can take 15s out of my total time. Ferrari 358 GT4.
I can imagine the top drivers can take 15s out of my total time. Ferrari 358 GT4.
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Manu is 100% a no stopper on Mediums.
Toyota, Hyundai, Renault, Porsche and Alfa will be getting big points.
Behind the top 5 will be Aston, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Honda and Jaguar battling for scraps.
Toyota, Hyundai, Renault, Porsche and Alfa will be getting big points.
Behind the top 5 will be Aston, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Honda and Jaguar battling for scraps.
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I think I am actually going to try this race in my Mitsubishi, but the tyre wear thing sounds a bit scary. I'm sure it will be fine...
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- Australia
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- breeminator
- breeminator
Yes, I wasn't sure what point praiano was making about my post, but the effect I stated exists and doesn't break any laws of physics. The only thing that is up for debate is the magnitude of the effect.
Edit: One important factor is wind. In otherwise still air, the disturbance caused by an object passing through the air can persist in place for quite some time. In the presence of a crosswind, the wind can blow away that disturbed air, causing the benefit to a following object to reduce more quickly. AFAIA GT Sport doesn't model wind, so we'd expect the disturbed air behind cars to persist for quite a long time.
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Is the tyre management this race at a level such that it necessitates rear brake bias? I'm running -2, which may be my problem?
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- Sacramento California
- FT_Ant
Vague tip for tire wear; don’t use your brakes
LeGeNd-1
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- Australia
- GTP_LeGeNd-1
I think I am actually going to try this race in my Mitsubishi, but the tyre wear thing sounds a bit scary. I'm sure it will be fine...
I can't even make the RM last 4 laps at race pace in practice
I was losing 1 sec a lap with each lap that passes. If you're no stopping Mitsu, definitely go with RH unless you're a masochist, or you want to pootle around at a snail's pace Either way, outlook not so good for meme team
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- Lion-Face
Thank you for that. I hadn't seen a great comparison between meds/hards so was wondering what the lap pace difference was and you have confirmed it. I did a short test tonight, all of 3 laps to see how the hards felt and I guess it will come down to the individual driver and how they feel on the tires as you say. Good pace if you were making up time on A+ drivers in the end with the Ferrari, that is tough to do!
I am going to stick to the Meds and try to look after them early because even though the hards come into their own late race, the race being 8 laps long means there isn't enough time to make up the difference. A 9 lap race and maybe the hards would be the go to tire, or very close, but with the current settings, I feel managing a set of mediums is the way to go.
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