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Pretty average races yesterday, but was better compared to last week's nightmare. Considered moving to Megane Trophy for my second Nations run, but stuck around to NSX. Decided to stick on mediums for qualifying, hards for races for most part.
 
I had entered round 32 of the Nations Cup twice. On both of these occasions, I finished in 7th place. In this video, I had my personal best in terms of points scored.
 
Lol I dunno man, I understeered through that same corner first race out of a comfortable 3rd trying to chase Noble in 2nd. Very easy to do because you want to just shave speed off by braking as lightly as possible, and easy to misjudge the pressure.

I do appreciate the effort in keeping up with the action from NZ though :D Did you have sound on? I may have celebrated a pittle too hard when I went past... Haha
I only had sound on in between races and didn't need to hear my engine lol. It just so happened that the only people streaming top split Oceania on my twitch feed were you guys.
 
Finished 2nd for 1237pts in CSA Manu with the Ferrari after starting third. Kind of a weak lobby. Overtook a Lancer in T1 and the lead McLaren and I pulled away from the pack. I took care of my tires better than him and reeled him in with two laps to go. Final lap I pass him in T1 but get a bad exit. We were side by side until the hairpin but he managed to stay ahead. Finished 0.3 seconds behind.

I was hoping for my first Manu win but, oh well, there will be other days. It's good to be back after skipping most of stage 1.

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Nations combo was fun. Used the Trophy here cause I love it. Decent qualy and race had some battles and penalties that cost me.




Manu: High downforce track + massive tyre wear = Immense F-Type.

 
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Had some reasonable pace tonight and some good racing. Ended up in top split twice but had a shot inside top 10 and top 5 respectively.

First race a Sirocco driver created a train of cars behind me and when I failed to execute an overtake the guy behind me jumped on the chance, which put me off line a little bit, so the guy behind him jumped on the chance, which put me off line a little bit, so the gu..... you get it. I think I lost 6 positions on Lap 7 and overcooked the tires as a result.

Second race a couple guys behind me were very aggressive in lap one possibly not understanding the race conditions fully. Unfortunately after a pretty risky lunge the car infront of me struggled for pace and intentionally blocked me for 4 laps. Then they PIT. The gap to the car ahead was close to 4 seconds at that point and I had wasted tires again trying to overtake. Instead of battling for 5th I ended up in 10th.

No problem I'll go for the 3rd slot I have good pace just need to catch a break. Nope. Disconnected during server join. So did another DNA teammate as well :(

Either way the first 2 races made for some exciting battles and they're fun to watch even if my result is poor in the end. Here's straight into some action:
 
7th in Nations followed with a 4th hauling the Citroen around Autopolis, I can't say I'm disappointed with that, even if I could stuck in a fight with a Dummkopf in a blacked-out McLaren at Dragon Trail.
 
Had a great race in the 2nd slot today.

It was pretty hard to find the balance between being too aggressive on my tires, or being too conservative.

What made it more difficult was an angry @RoadBeef chasing me down in his Cayman.

The point payout was minuscule, but I’m still happy to walk away with a win and 33pts for Ford.

 
Had some reasonable pace tonight and some good racing. Ended up in top split twice but had a shot inside top 10 and top 5 respectively.

First race a Sirocco driver created a train of cars behind me and when I failed to execute an overtake the guy behind me jumped on the chance, which put me off line a little bit, so the guy behind him jumped on the chance, which put me off line a little bit, so the gu..... you get it. I think I lost 6 positions on Lap 7 and overcooked the tires as a result.

Second race a couple guys behind me were very aggressive in lap one possibly not understanding the race conditions fully. Unfortunately after a pretty risky lunge the car infront of me struggled for pace and intentionally blocked me for 4 laps. Then they PIT. The gap to the car ahead was close to 4 seconds at that point and I had wasted tires again trying to overtake. Instead of battling for 5th I ended up in 10th.

No problem I'll go for the 3rd slot I have good pace just need to catch a break. Nope. Disconnected during server join. So did another DNA teammate as well :(

Either way the first 2 races made for some exciting battles and they're fun to watch even if my result is poor in the end. Here's straight into some action:


I'm still sad about that last race disconnect, I was finally feeling good about the combo and felt I could qualify well...but it wasn't meant to be.

On to the next one!
 
PUG was worse, I finished about 45 seconds behind nik mak in slot 2 no stopping with hard fronts, and about 40 seconds off a honda in slot 3 on a one stopper with mediums, mind you I qualified pretty poorly anyway so overall probably dropped around 30 seconds from the start.

O for sure the PUG is worse, I had that last year. But that's sort of my point, the fuel races at least allow some form of racing for those that can't save fuel (There's still an unbalance there) and even in cars like our FFs this in theory is where we should be the best but tyre wear still comes into effect and we can end up losing out. The Audi is probably the best FF Car, followed by the VW then Renault and finally Peugeot. There are some cars which are good at both, or at least reasonable at both then there's the other extreme where in tyre races if you car is no good on tyres you can't race, like literally can't. Also pad players are at a disadvantage the minute you turn up the tyre wear to! So the choice is to come near the back, or don't race :(. Now as a video game and participation levels falling surely the goal here should be to get people to play and compete?

Anyway we had a go at some more realistic settings last night and we got the fuel slightly wrong (We did 30%) but I think if we'd have gone with;

Qualifying: No Fuel/tyre Usage

Race:
  • Tyre: x2
  • Fuel x2
  • Laps: 18/19
  • Starting Fuel: 40%
We had a cracking bit of racing! Now the FF cars are never going to be good at Autopolis even our time trial laps show that (+0.9 seconds) but at least we could race and still compete against something... Cars should have strong tracks and weak tracks but the extremes are just killing the fun again. All I want to do is race, and I can't do that no matter what I do with that combo, as can no other FF cars and also the majority of AWD cars.

Anyway sorry for the rant, I'm not making another "Dear Gran Turismo" video as they've seen it and even though they turned it down after that we are creeping back up again.
 
Just to expand on what @Tidgney is talking about above, and also he spoke of it extensively in his stream yesterday. I was having a lot more fun in the 2018 championships than I am with these. I run Manu only so keep that in mind.

Last year we were really racing every round. Going for it. Sure, there was some tire and fuel strategy (jump someone in the pits with a bit of fuel saving, save tires or do a late pit for an end-of-race attack) but it wasn't anything that turned the game balance upside down like this year. It felt like real racing strategies. It was fun. Also the races were a bit longer.

Now most of the races are either tippy-toe fuel saving trains, or tippy-toe tire saving trains. I despise getting distracted monkeying with the fuel map five times a lap instead of looking at my radar. The few races that are flat-out have no strategy whatsoever and feel more like a Daily A/B than an FIA race.

The races should be 30' with 2x tire and fuel. A 50% Blancpain sprint if you will. It would also be nice if, when there are two tire compounds, to be forced to use each one like they do in the live events.

I bagged a good result last night not because I was fast, but because I did a lot of practice lobbies experimenting with the tires and getting accustomed to what to do and not do. In other words, learning how slow I could go but still be competitive. That's not racing.

Also, with only 3 of every 10 rounds counting for points, isn't it time PD brought back the one-try-only policy?
 
I bagged a good result last night not because I was fast, but because I did a lot of practice lobbies experimenting with the tires and getting accustomed to what to do and not do. In other words, learning how slow I could go but still be competitive. That's not racing.
Sure it is. It's not a sprint, but it's certainly still racing.
 
Manu: I won the NA 2nd split in the 2nd time slot with my trusty NSX. I took pole with a 1:52.4. After a slow and easy first lap with some pressure from 2nd, I sprinted away on my 2nd lap and never looked back. Finished in 15:25. 4th win this season.

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However, that was by no means the highlight of the night. In first time slot of Nations, I somehow got matched into top split. Me and DNA_Judoka were having a good scrap for 13th when this happened. We'll call it the "Pit Maneuver" (go to 49:00 for live and 1:02:45 for replays if the timestamp doesn't work).



I only race Nations for fun, so we had a good laugh about it afterwards.
 
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Manu: I won the NA 2nd split in the 2nd time slot with my trusty NSX. I took pole with a 1:52.4. After a slow and easy first lap with some pressure from 2nd, I sprinted away on my 2nd lap and never looked back. Finished in 15:25. 4th win this season.

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However, that was by no means the highlight of the night. In first time slot of Nations, I somehow got matched into top split. Me and DNA_Judoka were having a good scrap for 13th when this happened. We'll call it the "Pit Maneuver" (go to 49:00 for live and 1:02:45 for replays if the timestamp doesn't work).



I only race Nations for fun, so we had a good laugh about it afterwards.


That is one super sexy Trophy in the YT screenshot. :)

Congrats on your win, you were fast on Tuesday in that practice race we did! Great job man!
 
Manufacturers was a complete blow out for me. I was pretty disappointed as I'd actually taken the time to practice the art of driving as quickly as possible with minimal brake usage, so had half decent race pace.

In the 9pm slot I was spun out on lap 1 at the left hand hairpin. In the other racers defence they got a kick of oversteer that speared them into me and they were VERY apologetic in the chat afterwards. It's hard to be mad at someone who is so genuinely sorry :lol:

Went into the 11pm slot and was AGAIN spun out on lap 1, this time earlier on at the right hand hairpin. This time the other racer was super dirty and spun several other people out, and finished the race with an SR demotion to A. I've normally found FIA races to be very clean but this was a real exception.

But anyway, loads of tyre saving practice down the drain and unable to complete lap 1 on both attempts :rolleyes:

On to the next one.
 
I ran Nations last night because I knew running the Pug at Autopolis is pointless. Sad to say the latter would've been more fun. I was sorely lacking practice first Nations race and spun off a curb. Grabbed pole final slot only to be punted off at the hairpin. Trashed my tires trying to get back. I've just had so much bad luck with Nations this season.

Because I had some time, I once more tried to find settings that would make the Gr4 RCZ not useless. My conclusion - and this may apply to all FF cars - is that low power, low weight and additional front downforce is the way to go. 380+ HP to the front wheels is not possible to manage.

Finally, if any good drivers in any region wants to help out Pug, we need Gr3 RCZ drivers for Maggiore and possibly Barcelona. We also need more overall support in CSA. There may be prizes. :sly:
 
O for sure the PUG is worse, I had that last year. But that's sort of my point, the fuel races at least allow some form of racing for those that can't save fuel (There's still an unbalance there) and even in cars like our FFs this in theory is where we should be the best but tyre wear still comes into effect and we can end up losing out. The Audi is probably the best FF Car, followed by the VW then Renault and finally Peugeot. There are some cars which are good at both, or at least reasonable at both then there's the other extreme where in tyre races if you car is no good on tyres you can't race, like literally can't. Also pad players are at a disadvantage the minute you turn up the tyre wear to! So the choice is to come near the back, or don't race :(.

I totally agree, I feel cornered right now honestly :lol: In Gr.3, the F1 GTR feels too situational at the moment; it has great straight line speed but as soon as handling comes into play my pace is nowhere. Fuel saving races are actually good for me in Gr.3 because the F1 is decent at that, it's no use if I can't qualify though. Gr.4 on the other hand, I'm up there in terms of raw speed in the 650S (can sometimes come within 5-6 tenths of the #1 time in time trial), then fuel multipliers show up and kill my chances of doing anything meaningful. Finally, tire wear... I'm on pad :lol: so RIP.

I'm a McLaren fan and I'm not regretting my choice of manufacturer, but I basically need the stars to align if I want to get that maiden FIA win. In Gr.3, I need a track with lots of straights where handling doesn't play much of a role (and I missed Le Mans because that's just my luck :p), in Gr.4 I need the fuel multiplier to either be low enough for it not to matter or high enough for the one stop to be viable. And all of that coupled with reasonable tire wear so that the pad deficit doesn't kill me. That really isn't a good place to be in :indiff:
 
Just to expand on what @Tidgney is talking about above, and also he spoke of it extensively in his stream yesterday. I was having a lot more fun in the 2018 championships than I am with these. I run Manu only so keep that in mind.

Last year we were really racing every round. Going for it. Sure, there was some tire and fuel strategy (jump someone in the pits with a bit of fuel saving, save tires or do a late pit for an end-of-race attack) but it wasn't anything that turned the game balance upside down like this year. It felt like real racing strategies. It was fun. Also the races were a bit longer.

Now most of the races are either tippy-toe fuel saving trains, or tippy-toe tire saving trains. I despise getting distracted monkeying with the fuel map five times a lap instead of looking at my radar. The few races that are flat-out have no strategy whatsoever and feel more like a Daily A/B than an FIA race.

The races should be 30' with 2x tire and fuel. A 50% Blancpain sprint if you will. It would also be nice if, when there are two tire compounds, to be forced to use each one like they do in the live events.

I bagged a good result last night not because I was fast, but because I did a lot of practice lobbies experimenting with the tires and getting accustomed to what to do and not do. In other words, learning how slow I could go but still be competitive. That's not racing.

Also, with only 3 of every 10 rounds counting for points, isn't it time PD brought back the one-try-only policy?

Joining the Make GTS Great Again campaign. Last year FIA races were definitely much more fun. There are too many distortions in the competition now, which make it pointless for most of the players, I believe.

Being a casual controller player, I was so annoyed with the tire wear situation that I decided to give GTS a break, but now returned driving the Alfa as a way to alleviate the problem. That means I will have a competitive car for a small number of races (in case of the last season, none), but I'm ok with this. It's fun to alternate being the underdog car to one of the favorites.

Yesterday's race showed everything that is wrong with the FIA races. Too many uncompetitive cars, which emptied the top split lobbies, too much influence of tire wear over actual driving and skill (I like the fact that they're forcing you to learn how to preserve tires, but it's a bit too much), a race that was way too short and what I believe is the biggest nonsense and worst decision ever by PD: championship points are being decided not by how good you are, but how late you can go to bed.

I had a fun race, good pace for my skills and can say that for once I beat legend Igor Fraga (seems like someone pushed him out on the first lap), holding the gap of 4 secs down to 1 sec for 4 laps. But I was racing against people who are much faster than me, sandwiched between Hellzfire and Igor. What happens now is that the 8 PM race is tough af and it will become much easier in the other slots as the top drivers collect their desired points in the early races. There should be just one race opportunity for everyone. Multiple tries + broken point and ranking system is stupid.
 
Anyway we had a go at some more realistic settings last night and we got the fuel slightly wrong (We did 30%) but I think if we'd have gone with;

Qualifying: No Fuel/tyre Usage

Race:
  • Tyre: x2
  • Fuel x2
  • Laps: 18/19
  • Starting Fuel: 40%
We had a cracking bit of racing! Now the FF cars are never going to be good at Autopolis even our time trial laps show that (+0.9 seconds) but at least we could race and still compete against something... Cars should have strong tracks and weak tracks but the extremes are just killing the fun again. All I want to do is race, and I can't do that no matter what I do with that combo, as can no other FF cars and also the majority of AWD cars.

Anyway sorry for the rant, I'm not making another "Dear Gran Turismo" video as they've seen it and even though they turned it down after that we are creeping back up again.

I definitely think it's time for the FIA races to take a different direction. I took part in your race and enjoyed it immensely and also your alternative settings for the sardegna round.

Would be nice to see them try a season with static setting for tyres and fuel at each race and laps adjusted to make the race last 30 mins.

I'd make tyre wear a little higher than ×2 just so its a little more of a factor and to try bring the harder compound choice into play but here's hoping come the next season they try something a little different.

Theres so much easy potential to make a great FIA series and frankly it baffles me they set things up the way they do.
 
O for sure the PUG is worse, I had that last year. But that's sort of my point, the fuel races at least allow some form of racing for those that can't save fuel (There's still an unbalance there) and even in cars like our FFs this in theory is where we should be the best but tyre wear still comes into effect and we can end up losing out. The Audi is probably the best FF Car, followed by the VW then Renault and finally Peugeot. There are some cars which are good at both, or at least reasonable at both then there's the other extreme where in tyre races if you car is no good on tyres you can't race, like literally can't. Also pad players are at a disadvantage the minute you turn up the tyre wear to! So the choice is to come near the back, or don't race :(. Now as a video game and participation levels falling surely the goal here should be to get people to play and compete?

Anyway we had a go at some more realistic settings last night and we got the fuel slightly wrong (We did 30%) but I think if we'd have gone with;

Qualifying: No Fuel/tyre Usage

Race:
  • Tyre: x2
  • Fuel x2
  • Laps: 18/19
  • Starting Fuel: 40%
We had a cracking bit of racing! Now the FF cars are never going to be good at Autopolis even our time trial laps show that (+0.9 seconds) but at least we could race and still compete against something... Cars should have strong tracks and weak tracks but the extremes are just killing the fun again. All I want to do is race, and I can't do that no matter what I do with that combo, as can no other FF cars and also the majority of AWD cars.

Anyway sorry for the rant, I'm not making another "Dear Gran Turismo" video as they've seen it and even though they turned it down after that we are creeping back up again.
It's ok you can rant because you put out so much non-rant content

These graphs say it all...


I ran Nations last night because I knew running the Pug at Autopolis is pointless. Sad to say the latter would've been more fun. I was sorely lacking practice first Nations race and spun off a curb. Grabbed pole final slot only to be punted off at the hairpin. Trashed my tires trying to get back. I've just had so much bad luck with Nations this season.

Because I had some time, I once more tried to find settings that would make the Gr4 RCZ not useless. My conclusion - and this may apply to all FF cars - is that low power, low weight and additional front downforce is the way to go. 380+ HP to the front wheels is not possible to manage.

Finally, if any good drivers in any region wants to help out Pug, we need Gr3 RCZ drivers for Maggiore and possibly Barcelona. We also need more overall support in CSA. There may be prizes. :sly:
I will make sure the PUG world tour reps get a pack of Tim Tams from another Aussie rep on my behalf seeing as I will probably not qualify for anymore world tours.
 
I will make sure the PUG world tour reps get a pack of Tim Tams from another Aussie rep on my behalf seeing as I will probably not qualify for anymore world tours.
I'll be sure to give your Aussie rep something for you in return. 👍
 
Totally skipped the last Manufactures race thinking it was at Willow Springs for some reason instead of Autopolis. Didn't even check to confirm, just wasn't interested. Oh well. I've also decided to skip the Gr3 races, and the next Gr4 race is at a track I dislike as well so I'll see everyone at Brands Hatch. :p
 
looking forward to tomorrows nations at Big Willow... i track i didnt really enjoy, but after driving it a while you realise its not about being the fastest... its about keeping it on the track
 
looking forward to tomorrows nations at Big Willow... i track i didnt really enjoy, but after driving it a while you realise its not about being the fastest... its about keeping it on the track
663 DR difference between us, so I might see you again. Please do focus on keeping it on the track rather than driving fast ;-)
 
663 DR difference between us, so I might see you again. Please do focus on keeping it on the track rather than driving fast ;-)

Thats a lot to ask mate, ive not even had a chance to practice for this yet. What is speed with out control eh! i will be doing the 6pm and then see what happens points wise. I dont want a re-run of the last willow springs we met in :-D
 
Interestingly, Nations rounds 33, 34, 37 & 39 all have slipstream set to "real", whereas previously non-race-car events basically always had it set to "weak" (which was much stronger than "real", for those who don't know). A welcome side-effect of the new "real" slipstream?

The remaining Supra Cup rounds still have it set to "weak" though. :confused:
 
The Civic race is worse than the Daily RTC race. Why bother with the wear multiplier? Just slap RSS tyres and let everyone go at it with that tyre wear. This really made no sense. The most players have to look out for is not getting bumped into the dirt. Should have switched tracks with the Manufacturers event.
 
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