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You ARE impacting everyone in both the race you are in, and every split below, because you are affecting the points people obtain in all those races.

I did get star player, but with only 500-600 points to spare. I'd only have had to lose about 7 places across my counting races to not get it, and I shouldn't have to race against people who aren't from my region, because the criteria for getting star player are based on the strength of each region, so adding top players from other regions into the mix violates the assumptions used in setting the criteria. It's fundamentally wrong for you to be taking points away from people in another region, as well as against the rules.

As for thinking it's someone else's fault I'm not doing better, the fact is not everyone has the same talent - for almost everyone in the world, there are people they will never be able to beat, and if one or more of those people from another region is in their race, it will reduce their score, and that isn't something that is supposed to be part of the game.

Take it to an extreme, suppose there were 10 people in the world who are better than the best in EMEA, and they entered every EMEA FIA race, ensuring that no EMEA driver can finish higher than 11th in top split, meaning that the best EMEA drivers get slaughtered by the people finishing high up in 2nd and 3rd split. You wouldn't see that as being in any way wrong, or a problem?
Star player doesn't matter in the off season unless you really really want to be in the non broadcasted top 16 races. If next year is like this year there will be another exhibition season in Jan/Feb to get back S rank for the first official season so those that didn't do the off season can get S rank back for the first official season and try for the first top 16 race that matters.

For me personally, I know there are plenty of guys I consider better than me that have not been to a live event but I've been lucky enough to attend 2. That doesn't stop me from trying to qualify and if there's a way to sneak in by way of the smaller Oceania player pool because I actually live in Australia, then great. Of course I will get defensive if someone from another region pops in and impacts the races. But at the end of the day I know I'm on the fringe of top 16 and live events but I don't really care what happens in the off season.

What you describe as an extreme, in reality actually happened with the real top 10 (or even 15) of EMEA, most of them ran almost every slot this year. There's already been discussions on this but in short it's a function of the points system and player pool. Other regions it wasn't quite as necessary to run all slots.
 
You ARE impacting everyone in both the race you are in, and every split below, because you are affecting the points people obtain in all those races.

The points system is built to counter this on a fundamental level, if I keep winning, eventually I'm going to hit the max DR, being at the max DR versus the DR my account was at during the time of last rounds races (high A/S) is going to boost the amount of points that lobby offers, so whilst I might take away someones points by finishing ahead, I'm boosting the points that are in that lobby to begin with.

For Top Split you are then increasing the overall points gap to second split, meaning that everyone in this lobby is now scoring higher relative to every other lobby happening in that timeslot.

Granted, this isn't happening yet, my NA account doesn't have enough races under it yet to be adjusted to the correct DR.

Sure, I'm causing a knock on effect on every single lobby in a timeslot, but so is every under 18 player on a fake date of birth, of which there are many, and people who play cross-region and aren't outspoken about it, of which there are also many. (Plenty of which lurk this thread)

If you want to get extremely picky about disrupting Star Player, you could literally say that someone playing in an ineligible country to compete in the FIAGTC is doing this too, does the game still let them race in FIA? Yup. Can they claim Star Player if they are in an eligible finishing position? Nope. By your logic, they just 'took' a spot away from someone who is eligible for Star Player, except the game was designed to work this way.

The points have never been perfectly fair for this reason, and if I'm further disrupting that, I'm doing it by absolute fractions of a percent.

It's fundamentally wrong for you to be taking points away from people in another region, as well as against the rules.

There is zero written rule against this specifically in the rulebook. That Multiple Account rule is super open for interpretation the more I read it, and if I recall, was only added after the whole Marine-Le-Pen account incident and the guy who tried to qualify with Nissan and Citroen at the same time in 2018.

Owning multiple accounts or playing in another region is not a rule violation. If it was, kiss about 80% of your community goodbye :lol:

That being said, PD is not at all consistent with the enforcement of their own rules, so like I said earlier if they ban me for this (they won't but lets entertain the idea for a second), I... just don't care

(Side Note: I think the FIAGTC Rulebook isn't enforced during the offseason, it never existed until Mid-2018, and there was 8 months of online FIA racing in GT Sport prior to that, which technically had zero rules, it was added to the game when the season that qualified people into the Regional/World Finals begun)

Take it to an extreme, suppose there were 10 people in the world who are better than the best in EMEA, and they entered every EMEA FIA race, ensuring that no EMEA driver can finish higher than 11th in top split, meaning that the best EMEA drivers get slaughtered by the people finishing high up in 2nd and 3rd split. You wouldn't see that as being in any way wrong, or a problem?

Absolutely wouldn't bother me because they aren't eligible to qualify for a live event this way, it is however perfectly legal as per the rules for them to do this as long as they aren't using another account simultaneously.

Man this got really over complicated too fast, I just wanna race with some of the cool NA guys I met at live events. I kinda regret writing this now but I'm gonna fire it off anyway
 
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Not a massive write up as I struggled with this combo. The parts of the track where Yamagiwa and Miyabi cross over don't flow well for me at all so was constantly off the pace. Did the 5pm slot, qualified 13th and went for a 5M/5H/5M strategy.

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Watched the replay of the faster people so thought if I went for a different strategy then perhaps I could do better. Went for 6M/3H/6M in my second attempt. Could I improve on 12th?

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Sod it that will do :lol: (We'll ignore the fact I actually finished 12th but was promoted due to a tyre use penalty for someone else).

Overall the Nations season went extremely well, finishing much higher than anything I've managed in any official season. I know it's only an Exhibition season and a lot of the top guys aren't taking part, but it still felt good :)

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Now to decide on a Manufacturer who's car won't constantly try and kill me, and back to Manufacturers for next season!
 
Star player doesn't matter in the off season unless you really really want to be in the non broadcasted top 16 races.

What you describe as an extreme, in reality actually happened with the real top 10 (or even 15) of EMEA, most of them ran almost every slot this year. There's already been discussions on this but in short it's a function of the points system and player pool. Other regions it wasn't quite as necessary to run all slots.
For the vast majority of players, they are never going to a live event, and the exhibition seasons are no different to the non-exhibition seasons. I've done the last two seasons, and in both cases, my aim was to get as high as possible up the rankings. For the first season I never contemplated getting star player status, but put in a serious effort for the last season, and was pleased to achieve it. For someone at my level, it was a significant challenge. It's really only for the tiny minority that can make it to a live event that an exhibition season is different to non-exhibition.

Re it actually happening, I was talking about players from another region playing in the EMEA top split, not the top 10 who are genuinely in the EMEA region.
 
What is the point of star player?

I had the option to do it, I did it then realised it was pointless unless you get good points at which point you'd probably be a "s" already?

I removed mine back to normal dr

Guessing now the seasons done we can **** the thread up abit
 
The points system is built to counter this on a fundamental level, if I keep winning, eventually I'm going to hit the max DR, being at the max DR versus the DR my account was at during the time of last rounds races (high A/S) is going to boost the amount of points that lobby offers, so whilst I might take away someones points by finishing ahead, I'm boosting the points that are in that lobby to begin with.
It looked like the lowest DR in the race was around 48k. If you were at 75k, and replaced someone at 48k, then if we suppose the average DR of the lobby was 60k, your presence would increase it to 61350.

I'm not sure what the exact multiple is, but I believe the winner's points are obtained by multiplying the average DR by a constant. I'll use 1/22, it doesn't have a major impact on the result if it's a little different.

So your presence would change the winner's points from 2727 to 2788. Looking at a top split result, the difference between points for 1st and 2nd was 166, so when you push the person who would have come first down to second, they lose 105 points compared to what they'd have got it you weren't in the lobby. For a lobby with a higher DR for the lowest rated player, the loss would be greater, so it would be greater if a US player did the same in EMEA top split, for example.
 
It looked like the lowest DR in the race was around 48k. If you were at 75k, and replaced someone at 48k, then if we suppose the average DR of the lobby was 60k, your presence would increase it to 61350.

I'm not sure what the exact multiple is, but I believe the winner's points are obtained by multiplying the average DR by a constant. I'll use 1/22, it doesn't have a major impact on the result if it's a little different.

So your presence would change the winner's points from 2727 to 2788. Looking at a top split result, the difference between points for 1st and 2nd was 166, so when you push the person who would have come first down to second, they lose 105 points compared to what they'd have got it you weren't in the lobby. For a lobby with a higher DR for the lowest rated player, the loss would be greater, so it would be greater if a US player did the same in EMEA top split, for example.
Unless I'm terribly mistaken it doesn't matter,
I watched some of lion faces twitch it was the 2nd time slot manf race and I'm assuming it was the top 16,,,, cos why not, and there were A drivers in that race,
And a requirement for joining was having an S......
But lol Oceania I suppose
 
What is the point of star player?

From the website:

"Star Players" are players who exhibit superior technique and sportsmanship, that will be revered by all players. It will be necessary to register detailed profile information, but the player will be given opportunities to appear in race reports and Live Events. The "Star Players" Driver Rating in-game will appear as "S".

So it does two things. Puts you on the very long shortlist for Live Events. And bragging rights :)
 
The points system is built to counter this on a fundamental level, if I keep winning, eventually I'm going to hit the max DR, being at the max DR versus the DR my account was at during the time of last rounds races (high A/S) is going to boost the amount of points that lobby offers, so whilst I might take away someones points by finishing ahead, I'm boosting the points that are in that lobby to begin with.

For Top Split you are then increasing the overall points gap to second split, meaning that everyone in this lobby is now scoring higher relative to every other lobby happening in that timeslot.

Granted, this isn't happening yet, my NA account doesn't have enough races under it yet to be adjusted to the correct DR.

Sure, I'm causing a knock on effect on every single lobby in a timeslot, but so is every under 18 player on a fake date of birth, of which there are many, and people who play cross-region and aren't outspoken about it, of which there are also many. (Plenty of which lurk this thread)

If you want to get extremely picky about disrupting Star Player, you could literally say that someone playing in an ineligible country to compete in the FIAGTC is doing this too, does the game still let them race in FIA? Yup. Can they claim Star Player if they are in an eligible finishing position? Nope. By your logic, they just 'took' a spot away from someone who is eligible for Star Player, except the game was designed to work this way.

The points have never been perfectly fair for this reason, and if I'm further disrupting that, I'm doing it by absolute fractions of a percent.



There is zero written rule against this specifically in the rulebook. That Multiple Account rule is super open for interpretation the more I read it, and if I recall, was only added after the whole Marine-Le-Pen account incident and the guy who tried to qualify with Nissan and Citroen at the same time in 2018.

Owning multiple accounts or playing in another region is not a rule violation. If it was, kiss about 80% of your community goodbye :lol:

That being said, PD is not at all consistent with the enforcement of their own rules, so like I said earlier if they ban me for this (they won't but lets entertain the idea for a second), I... just don't care

(Side Note: I think the FIAGTC Rulebook isn't enforced during the offseason, it never existed until Mid-2018, and there was 8 months of online FIA racing in GT Sport prior to that, which technically had zero rules, it was added to the game when the season that qualified people into the Regional/World Finals begun)



Absolutely wouldn't bother me because they aren't eligible to qualify for a live event this way, it is however perfectly legal as per the rules for them to do this as long as they aren't using another account simultaneously.

Man this got really over complicated too fast, I just wanna race with some of the cool NA guys I met at live events. I kinda regret writing this now but I'm gonna fire it off anyway

Does it really matter? In the off season there are definitely some of the better guys (60K+ Dr) not racing as I got much higher than I would have done in the official season so surely what @mclarenLB is doing isn't really pushing someone out as they're are less top players competing. Also as he said there are probably a hell of a lot more doing it then let on, its not just him. He has already said he wouldn't do it in an official season so imho I don't see an issue.
 
Number plate is going to cover the sponsor. ;)
Haha , not a problem , i only enjoy the look of my cars in the garage set . I always try to race my FIA sessions with a clean mind , but i love to drink a couple of beers after the job.
This "stealth" way , covering partially the 1st syllabe during the racer's feature , i will show my love for the brand without incentivizing people to race like if they were in a MAD MAX movie. :cheers::cheers:
 
Pro tip: Don't test out mixing tire combos on a Tomahawk on the Top 16 race. Proved a handful before someone hit my rear quarter panel and spun me off.

Manufacturer's went much better. What I could've done with better consistency and not killing my front tires, though.

 
Does it really matter? In the off season there are definitely some of the better guys (60K+ Dr) not racing as I got much higher than I would have done in the official season so surely what @mclarenLB is doing isn't really pushing someone out as they're are less top players competing. Also as he said there are probably a hell of a lot more doing it then let on, its not just him. He has already said he wouldn't do it in an official season so imho I don't see an issue.

For me the only problem is that the point of DR is so everyone is placed in a split with people on your level. It's not fun to play against guys with much more experience. But since you can make a new account everyday if you want to and you have people dropping DR on purpose just to win more races, one guy racing with an US account isn't really a problem. Especially since he's climbing in DR and giving it is best and not just tanking so he can win against guys who started playing 2 weeks ago.
 
Getting the S isn’t that hard if you pick a little used Manufacturer, that came be gamed just like DR/SR.

You could also set up an EMEA account and select your home country as somewhere with little participation, such as Iceland or Cyprus. Finish a few Nations races and you're pretty much guaranteed to be Top 10 for that country. Some countries don't even get 10 entrants, so they must aallll get S ranks.
 
You could also set up an EMEA account and select your home country as somewhere with little participation, such as Iceland or Cyprus. Finish a few Nations races and you're pretty much guaranteed to be Top 10 for that country. Some countries don't even get 10 entrants, so they must aallll get S ranks.
I suspect they thought it was so obvious that players should only be signing up under the country they actually live in that they didn't think it needed explicitly stating. It's kind of implicit in much of the information on there, e.g. ' "Star Player" registration, participation to the World Tours, and World Finals is limited to the following countries and regions.' would be meaningless if they were envisaging that anyone can choose whichever country they like.

The PSN Ts&Cs state:
"TO ACCEPT THESE TERMS AND CREATE AN ACCOUNT, YOU MUST BE AN ADULT OF LEGAL AGE OF MAJORITY IN THE COUNTRY IN WHICH YOUR ACCOUNT IS REGISTERED"
Is someone "an adult of legal age or majority in the country" if they aren't in the country at all?
 
I suspect they thought it was so obvious that players should only be signing up under the country they actually live in that they didn't think it needed explicitly stating. It's kind of implicit in much of the information on there, e.g. ' "Star Player" registration, participation to the World Tours, and World Finals is limited to the following countries and regions.' would be meaningless if they were envisaging that anyone can choose whichever country they like.

The PSN Ts&Cs state:
"TO ACCEPT THESE TERMS AND CREATE AN ACCOUNT, YOU MUST BE AN ADULT OF LEGAL AGE OF MAJORITY IN THE COUNTRY IN WHICH YOUR ACCOUNT IS REGISTERED"
Is someone "an adult of legal age or majority in the country" if they aren't in the country at all?

So the nation I represent should be the one I live in? Because I live in a different country than the one I'm from, although they're from the same region. I don't even know how to change it.
 
So the nation I represent should be the one I live in? Because I live in a different country than the one I'm from, although they're from the same region. I don't even know how to change it.

There was a big discussion about this last year. You must be a citizen or legal resident of the country your PSN account is in.
 
I suspect they thought it was so obvious that players should only be signing up under the country they actually live in that they didn't think it needed explicitly stating. It's kind of implicit in much of the information on there, e.g. ' "Star Player" registration, participation to the World Tours, and World Finals is limited to the following countries and regions.' would be meaningless if they were envisaging that anyone can choose whichever country they like.

The PSN Ts&Cs state:
"TO ACCEPT THESE TERMS AND CREATE AN ACCOUNT, YOU MUST BE AN ADULT OF LEGAL AGE OF MAJORITY IN THE COUNTRY IN WHICH YOUR ACCOUNT IS REGISTERED"
Is someone "an adult of legal age or majority in the country" if they aren't in the country at all?

I didn't say it was within the rules, and it's not something I would do. I was just saying that it's possible to get S ranked that way, which it is.
 
Getting the S isn’t that hard if you pick a little used Manufacturer, that came be gamed just like DR/SR.
12th for Nissan last time out.

Firestorm has switched to Jaguar after netting me a nice win bonus the last time, so that's one obstacle out the way.
 
I'm filling the form in, but am a bit confused by what the "in-game name (publicly displayed)" is. The example shows it being the same as first name and last name in the contact information section, but it seems a bit pointless to have the same information provided twice, once where it says it won't be disclosed, and the other where it says it will? Do people typically just put their real name again there, and it's only disclosed if you make it to a world tour event?
 
I'm filling the form in, but am a bit confused by what the "in-game name (publicly displayed)" is. The example shows it being the same as first name and last name in the contact information section, but it seems a bit pointless to have the same information provided twice, once where it says it won't be disclosed, and the other where it says it will? Do people typically just put their real name again there, and it's only disclosed if you make it to a world tour event?

It’s how they’ll show your name on the timing screen during broadcasts, in case you get to a Top 16 Superstars or Live Event.

It makes sense for people like Latkowski, who uses CN Latkowski. If that option wasn’t there, it’d be C instead of CN.
 
For the vast majority of players, they are never going to a live event, and the exhibition seasons are no different to the non-exhibition seasons. I've done the last two seasons, and in both cases, my aim was to get as high as possible up the rankings. For the first season I never contemplated getting star player status, but put in a serious effort for the last season, and was pleased to achieve it. For someone at my level, it was a significant challenge. It's really only for the tiny minority that can make it to a live event that an exhibition season is different to non-exhibition.

Re it actually happening, I was talking about players from another region playing in the EMEA top split, not the top 10 who are genuinely in the EMEA region.
I agree with you for the most part, I also think that exhibition series should be no different to the non-exhibition seasons but in reality a lot of multi-accounting and cross regioning will happen because there is nothing really on the line. I also have the same goal of trying to get as high up on the leaderboard as possible and during the official season at least your ranking will be, for lack of a better word, "legit" because there are less cheaters. In the off season it's just a case of there's no real need to enforce the rules so people will experiment and "have fun" racing a different player pool. While most of us know the points and leaderboard implications of top players invading another region during the off season may affect your leaderboard position but you also have to take into account that there are also a lot of other players that are taking a break and not participating. I'm not saying it's a perfect offset or justifying region hopping but I'd take any exhibition series results with a grain of salt. For the record, I'm normally a stickler for the rules but if they aren't enforced properly then you're going to get non-compliance (sorry to be captain obvious). We also just found out on Chris McCarthy's twitter that he and Jimmer are going to record commentary for the recent top 16 races so I suppose that was something on the line but again it's another case of PD's less than full disclosure.

On the whole country thing discussed by others: As previously discussed PSN account addresses and ages/DOB are easily faked. For all we know there could be many more multi accounters and region hoppers in the lower splits that we don't know about that just want to "have fun" in other regions or different times. They don't really affect the live event qualifiers but they would have a small knock-on effect on the region. It would be hard to quantify but I'm curious to find out.
 
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I'd just like to point out that the B/S rated Spaniard by the name of "Nicolas_Rubilar" is currently at the top of the EMEA time rankings in Manufacturers.
 
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