FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[skyline1683]

Well this in my race started 9th finishing 3rd in a McLaren Hell yeah !!!!

 

[GTWolverine]

Hey @GTWolverine , you couldn’t do worse than I did (see post above)

Good luck to us next one! 👍

haha I threw it away 100% by being an idiot again. I was on track for at least a Top-10 til I spun out on the exit of turn 1 on the red stuff. Finished 15th and rage quit before the result registered. Lost more than 3000 DR these last 2 races. I'm almost definitely gonna have to do 2 more races now, because I doubt I'm gonna get the same quality room again in the next one even if I start with car #20. 🤬🤬

 

[Odiesback]

haha I threw it away 100% by being an idiot again. I was on track for at least a Top-10 til I spun out on the exit of turn 1 on the red stuff. Finished 15th and rage quit before the result registered. Lost more than 3000 DR these last 2 races. I'm almost definitely gonna have to do 2 more races now, because I doubt I'm gonna get the same quality room again in the next one even if I start with car #20. 🤬🤬

Started 19th and finished 18th.

Blew the qualifying by picking up a track limit penalty. First time that happens. So the first qualy lap does not count because I got the penalty and the second lap was a waste since I paid the penalty by slowing down and by then the tired were really bad... no chance... probably will see me again!

 

[Keith2324]

I went for first slot EMEA and what an amazing race! I did 6M/6H/4S and had an awesome close and clean battle with a Spanish player for 5/6 laps, in the end I had to give up position as my softs were cooked. Finished 3rd, happy with that!

If you are in Aston Martin, don't go too harsh on your RSs, this is how I finished the race :

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I feel your pain. I finished similar in the Jag. At this point I'm saying "uncle".

Never in my years of watching racing did I see a person go out on a set of tires and after 1 lap they resembled 15 laps of wear. This along with the penalty system has gotten truly sour. This isn't racing anymore. I am truly curious to see how the next live event shakes out. But for now, I'm out.

Keith.

 

[SpaceMaN47y0]

Gonna risk my highest-its-ever-been DR for a go at the Manu race. Wish me luck.

Edit: Q16 P16 for 29 points. Didn't cost much DR. Not that that matters it'll go back to 1 when I race any track thats not race A

 

[barak181]

Ugh, if it wasn't for tire penalties this could have been almost as bad as last night. Luckily, 9 people in my first race got tire penalties and another 5 did in my second race.

The first race I was still smack dab in the middle of DR.D, where I landed with a rather loud thump after the carnage that was Laguna Seca last night. I qualified in the middle of the pack, so I decided not to waste my RS at the start of the race. After all the bumping and running too long on both the RH and RM, I crossed the line P11. But all the tire penalties moved me up to P7.

Second race I was high DR.D and had a mixed C/D lobby. It started really well. I qualified P2. T2 the pole goes wide and I cut under him and hold the lead for the next lap and a half. Over the course of the next 10 laps, 3 of us pull away from the pack and swap positions back and forth.

Then L12 happens. For some reason going into T1, it's like my brakes don't engage when I press them. I end up in the deep gravel, I don't even know how many places I lost. Down to P8, maybe? I fight back to P4 but then it happens again on L14! Same turn, T1. End up in the same gravel pit. I cross the line P10 but end up P6 after the tire penalties.

I really feel like I could have finished P2 or P3 if the weird brake thing didn't happen.

Anyway, I'm finally back to DR.C. Still don't have a win to show for it.

 

[GTWolverine]

3rd time is the charm! I didn't see anyone I recognized from here in this race unfortunately, but I finally put a complete race together! I qualified 5th in spite of someone trying to dive-bomb me during qualy at turn 2. I fortunately saw him flashing his lights all the way up the straight before he sent it in turn 2, and he barely messed up my line (maybe a few hundredths lost). On top of that, he'd already picked up a penalty for running wide in turn 1. I delayed my turn-in slightly to let him slide past and continued my lap.

In the race itself, everyone in front of me tangled in Turn 2 on lap 1, and by the end of the lap, I was 2nd and the car that started directly in front of me was leading. I started on the Mediums, him on the softs. He stayed out at least 1 more on the softs than I did on the Mediums, and he was pulling away from me the whole time. I knew at this point I was just gonna be by myself unless he or I made a mistake. I did 5M/7H/4S and in the end I was a little over 5s behind the winner and something like 9s ahead of 3rd and was rewarded with 160 points despite this room being slightly lower quality than the first 2 I raced in tonight. I'm happy with the result, and won't be going again, but clearly I've made no progression in my tire-saving skills! This was also my third 2nd-place finish and 4th podium this season.

 

[Cuda010]

Hello! So I won my race tonight, which is good, but can I not race again? I thought the game only counted your highest score of the night, meaning you could run multiple races. If you get 1st, should you not run again?

Thanks!

 

[Pigems]

Hello! So I won my race tonight, which is good, but can I not race again? I thought the game only counted your highest score of the night, meaning you could run multiple races. If you get 1st, should you not run again?

Thanks!

Congrats on the a win man!

Only your most recent score counts now, not your highest. So if you go again it’s at the risk of getting a lower score.

 

[adokeeffe]

How was your weekend? Given Sunday was Australia’s national holiday, the long weekend here was spent getting slightly toasted on booze, and burnt to a crisp in the sun, with some racing in between. Whilst I’m sure the date went unnoticed elsewhere in the world, it was nice that Polyphony Digital marked the occasion the Australian way - serving up a Porsche Carrera Cup event on the Saturday for a warm up, and some thundering V8 action from Group 4 on the Sunday. Sadly due to ongoing issues with Google Translate and the Japanese language, the race was held in Austria rather than Australia, but that certainly didn’t dampen the fun.

Nations Cup

I was apprehensive about the Porsche event, given the reputation of older 911s for ignoring driver input and plowing ahead in any direction, usually in reverse. But shifting the brakes slightly forwards, suddenly the Porsche was unexpectedly predictable and accurate, allowing a rhythm to develop with lift-off oversteer for turning in, then stamp on the power and counter steer out. I qualified 4th, sporting an Apple Computers livery in honour of the McIntosh’s birthday. And true to its name, it just worked. For the first time ever I nailed the start, and was 3rd crossing the line, then up to 2nd into the Andretti Hairpin. I didn’t quite hit the line for the next few turns, with the 3rd placed driver hitting my rear as I braked too hard into Turn 5, before overtaking me on the Rahal Straight. Back in 3rd, the 4th placed driver snuck by on the final turn, with 5th then barging through, knocking me off my line on the downhill the following lap. I returned the favour, outbraking them into the hairpin, giving them a polite nudge as a warning. Later they misjudged the entry into the corkscrew and incurred a penalty for cutting the corner, before slipping and sliding all over the track, allowing me to close the gap and overtake on the hairpin next lap. And then the hunt really began, chasing down 2nd place which held a 3 second lead.

By Lap 9 I’d closed the gap to within a second, and the 2nd placed driver began to make multiple errors, missing apexes and drifting through the dirt on several turns, allowing me to slip by into Lap 10. Then I too began to lose concentration, throwing away a several second lead to a split of under half a second. Everything came down to the wire on the Corkscrew on the final lap, as I defended the right side of the circuit, and allowed the driver behind me to overtake on the left. They took the bait, attempting a bold overtake move, only they were way off the line over on the left, and carrying too much speed. The result was much tire smoke and a trip into the sand, as I undercut them on the line, and drove away with 2nd place.

Manufacturers Cup

I began the race in 8th, and not very happy with myself for my lack of practice. I avoided soft tires , fearing they would wear down before the qualifying session was over, and instead ran mediums. Only it didn’t appear as if anybody else had bothered to factor this in. And with good reason - the high speed straights and generous braking zones of the Red Bull Ring meant it was relatively easy to conserve a pair of soft tires. I decided to shake things up by starting on soft tires instead, using the grip to take advantage of the inevitable accidents if Lap 1, then pit shortly after for hards, saving the mediums for the end of the race when the Aston would be light on fuel.

The plan worked, despite the best attempts of several other drivers to knock me off track, and block every overtake despite carrying significant penalties. In my view it’s good manners to get out of the way when you yourself are clearly unable to match pace or maintain position. In the end I got sick of the childish antics after several laps of near misses with a GT-86 and a WRX (and a Cayman, which thankfully crashed out). I kindly escorted the GT-86 off into the sand at Rauch, and the WRX I drove around at Remus and braked late, blocking their exit line with my passenger side door. “Now THAT’S how you block!” I yelled. On nearly-fresh mediums I managed to take home 2nd again, and was met in the post-race lobby by a very angry group of three drivers. I just ignored them and congratulated the other clean drivers, namely the familiar orange BMW of ‘nohesnotthestig’, and went and celebrated yet another podium finish with some wine.

 

[Benay79]

Just noticed there's no Manu race this Wednesday or next Wednesday. I probably wasn't going to do the last 2 races either as i don't think i'll get a better point score than the 5 highest i have already. Looking like a long break until the next season starts for me!

 

[larrybr07n]

In my view it’s good manners to get out of the way when you yourself are clearly unable to match pace or maintain position.

Agree to disagree on this one. As long as you don't act like a 🤬, there is no such thing as "get out of the way" in racing. The person behind wants the position? They have to earn it.

 

[Famine]

As long as you don't act like a 🤬, there is no such thing as "get out of the way" in racing. The person behind wants the position? They have to earn it.

Yup. And not by punting you off the track either. Defending a position in a slower car is part of the skillset of racing - as is overtaking, and there's a way to do both in a challenging and exciting manner, and a way to do both like an absolute trumpet.

 

[sunshifts]

How was your weekend? Given Sunday was Australia’s national holiday, the long weekend here was spent getting slightly toasted on booze, and burnt to a crisp in the sun, with some racing in between. Whilst I’m sure the date went unnoticed elsewhere in the world, it was nice that Polyphony Digital marked the occasion the Australian way - serving up a Porsche Carrera Cup event on the Saturday for a warm up, and some thundering V8 action from Group 4 on the Sunday. Sadly due to ongoing issues with Google Translate and the Japanese language, the race was held in Austria rather than Australia, but that certainly didn’t dampen the fun.

Nations Cup

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I was apprehensive about the Porsche event, given the reputation of older 911s for ignoring driver input and plowing ahead in any direction, usually in reverse. But shifting the brakes slightly forwards, suddenly the Porsche was unexpectedly predictable and accurate, allowing a rhythm to develop with lift-off oversteer for turning in, then stamp on the power and counter steer out. I qualified 4th, sporting an Apple Computers livery in honour of the McIntosh’s birthday. And true to its name, it just worked. For the first time ever I nailed the start, and was 3rd crossing the line, then up to 2nd into the Andretti Hairpin. I didn’t quite hit the line for the next few turns, with the 3rd placed driver hitting my rear as I braked too hard into Turn 5, before overtaking me on the Rahal Straight. Back in 3rd, the 4th placed driver snuck by on the final turn, with 5th then barging through, knocking me off my line on the downhill the following lap. I returned the favour, outbraking them into the hairpin, giving them a polite nudge as a warning. Later they misjudged the entry into the corkscrew and incurred a penalty for cutting the corner, before slipping and sliding all over the track, allowing me to close the gap and overtake on the hairpin next lap. And then the hunt really began, chasing down 2nd place which held a 3 second lead.
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By Lap 9 I’d closed the gap to within a second, and the 2nd placed driver began to make multiple errors, missing apexes and drifting through the dirt on several turns, allowing me to slip by into Lap 10. Then I too began to lose concentration, throwing away a several second lead to a split of under half a second. Everything came down to the wire on the Corkscrew on the final lap, as I defended the right side of the circuit, and allowed the driver behind me to overtake on the left. They took the bait, attempting a bold overtake move, only they were way off the line over on the left, and carrying too much speed. The result was much tire smoke and a trip into the sand, as I undercut them on the line, and drove away with 2nd place.
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Manufacturers Cup

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I began the race in 8th, and not very happy with myself for my lack of practice. I avoided soft tires , fearing they would wear down before the qualifying session was over, and instead ran mediums. Only it didn’t appear as if anybody else had bothered to factor this in. And with good reason - the high speed straights and generous braking zones of the Red Bull Ring meant it was relatively easy to conserve a pair of soft tires. I decided to shake things up by starting on soft tires instead, using the grip to take advantage of the inevitable accidents if Lap 1, then pit shortly after for hards, saving the mediums for the end of the race when the Aston would be light on fuel.
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The plan worked, despite the best attempts of several other drivers to knock me off track, and block every overtake despite carrying significant penalties. In my view it’s good manners to get out of the way when you yourself are clearly unable to match pace or maintain position. In the end I got sick of the childish antics after several laps of near misses with a GT-86 and a WRX (and a Cayman, which thankfully crashed out). I kindly escorted the GT-86 off into the sand at Rauch, and the WRX I drove around at Remus and braked late, blocking their exit line with my passenger side door. “Now THAT’S how you block!” I yelled. On nearly-fresh mediums I managed to take home 2nd again, and was met in the post-race lobby by a very angry group of three drivers. I just ignored them and congratulated the other clean drivers, namely the familiar orange BMW of ‘nohesnotthestig’, and went and celebrated yet another podium finish with some wine.
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Yeah sorry mate, as the driver you 'kindly escorted' into the sand, you're a dirty prick and you've embarrassed yourself. Imagine congratulating yourself for punting someone in an FIA race, then gloating in the lobby about it, and then gloating on a forum about it. If you're confronted by three others in a lobby after a race, then maybe you're the problem.

Also, given the FIA races are some of the only time I have to myself each week and I look forward to them a lot, it really bums me out that someone could take such relish in being so malicious. Makes me sad.

 

[larrybr07n]

and there's a way to do both in a challenging and exciting manner, and a way to do both like an absolute trumpet.

And it seems, no offence, we have an example of the latter here in regards to the overtaking

 

[CurbHog]

I predicted my participation in Round 8 at Red Bull to be a cluster ...
So went in on the first race with no big expectations. I needed to be on the podium to get any more points than what I had received in my 5 best races (this has been my best season yet with respect to placements in the races)
I had 10 on the door and a lackluster qualifying gave me 7th on the grid. I know I could do better than that in the race, so I was cautiously optimistic as the race started.
Note that this race had a mixture of strategies where people started on S or M or even Hard. My strategy was S/H/M
In turn one I advanced one position and as the rest of the race unfolded I was smelling blood. I did two passes or perhaps one, that was questionable aggressive but the rest of the race was a very enjoyable battle. Clean racing.
I considered to do my regular race edit, but I did not know what to cut out, as it was constant action .....
I elected to capture the broadcast cam replay.

Enjoy:

 

[KaiB]

Agree to disagree on this one. As long as you don't act like a 🤬, there is no such thing as "get out of the way" in racing. The person behind wants the position? They have to earn it.

I think it depends of the situation cause being slower and blocking others is not very fun, i say block cause in the end it is just that, will end up slowing even more and get cauth by all the other slower dirvers endind in losing more than just one position while ruining a more fast driver race, it happen to me this last race, a guy was just to slow but he was defending so hard that blocked all my lines, even when i was side by side he fighted almost giving me no space making me lose time for like 3 or more laps, after i overtake him there was 10 players in a train and he ended up losing 3 seconds in 2 turns and was swaled by all the other drivers, i don´t think defending is smart driving..., unless your in the last 2 laps and you know you can get more points for defending or benefit from defending, if you see your slower let the faster driver overtake and try benefit from it cause you can gain more time while in the slipstream...

 

[Famine]

I think it depends of the situation cause being slower and blocking others is not very fun, i say block cause in the end it is just that, will end up slowing even more and get cauth by all the other slower dirvers endind in losing more than just one position while ruining a more fast driver race

If you're quicker, prove it and get past. Otherwise you're not quicker.

i don´t think defending is smart driving...

Defending by picking your lines into corners and making the guy behind work to make the pass is smart driving. Defending by weaving all over the track and trying to tempt people into going for a gap that you then slam shut is stupid.

Defensive driving is a skill. You are not entitled to a position because you are in a faster car - if you were, there'd be no point even racing. This is literally what "racecraft" is.

 

[KaiB]

Well like i mentioned is all just opinions..., when you pit most of the time you end up exiting pits behind slower drivers that did not pit, almost every corner i had good lines to overtake him but he was just forcing to much on defending and i could not force overtake to not play dirty, in the end he losed more then i and in most cases is that what happens, defending is a good option in the final laps not in the middle of the race when the pace is set.
But is just like people say it´s part of racing but sometimes it´s frustating cause incidents may occur cause of rythm diferences and over defending atitudes and when clearely people know they are slowing everyone else, in that cases is just a matter of time to ruin your own race cause with all that defending people are not building gaps for drivers behind..in the oposite over defending atitude put you in a more risky situation.

But yes what make races fun it´s the struggle, emotion rush trough your veins

 

[Sean YZF]

How does qualifying work for the 24hr Nurburgring for FIA races?
Thanks in advance.

 

[skyline1683]

If you're quicker, prove it and get past. Otherwise you're not quicker.

Defending by picking your lines into corners and making the guy behind work to make the pass is smart driving. Defending by weaving all over the track and trying to tempt people into going for a gap that you then slam shut is stupid.

Defensive driving is a skill. You are not entitled to a position because you are in a faster car - if you were, there'd be no point even racing. This is literally what "racecraft" is.

I had this exact conversation with some self absorbed Muppet who claimed because he was on the soft tyre I should of let him pass, I replied by saying well if you can’t pass a McLaren on hard tyres in a mustang on softs you may want to go back to the drawing board .

 

[Famine]

Well like i mentioned is all just opinions..., when you pit most of the time you end up exiting pits behind slower drivers that did not pit, almost every corner i had good lines to overtake him but he was just forcing to much on defending and i could not force overtake to not play dirty, in the end he losed more then i and in most cases is that what happens, defending is a good option in the final laps not in the middle of the race when the pace is set.

Them's the breaks. If the guy defending isn't brakechecking you, running you off the road, or just slamming into you, he's not in any way in the wrong.

Bide your time, wait for the error, make the pass. You're not owed a place because you can cover a lap quicker. You have to earn it by passing - and it's not a requirement to make it easy for you to do so. If he's better at defending than you are at passing, you're in the position you deserve to be in.

Of course if they're a knob about it and driving dangerously and erratically, they are indeed in the wrong - but holding you up isn't an indication of that by itself.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

If I haven't said it already, this game's slipstream is becoming one of its worst aspects by far. Qualifying is starting to feel more like luck of the draw on whether you can find a train of cars and hoping you don't either lose draft or catch up too quickly. The racing itself is now more like going up against rubberband AI and combined with basically no penalty system, there's not much incentive to race clean.

Now with yesterday, I really wish I was in the first two slots. Easily could've been in contention for a win. Instead, I lost out on slipstream q in the hardest room, ended up 19th due to incidents second attempt and the last room having no points whatsoever. I just wanted to actually get that win.

 

[Hasnain282]

How does qualifying work for the 24hr Nurburgring for FIA races?
Thanks in advance.

It's a 13 minute session. You still have to do a whole outlap to start a lap so it's essentially 1 shot

 

[larrybr07n]

i say block cause in the end it is just that,

It is not, unless the person you are trying to pass is swerving and acting dodgy, you are not entitled to anything at all. You find the line and the speed, you get past. Otherwise you stay behind.

In real life racing does not work the way you say, sure drivers complain all the time when they are stuck behind other cars but nobody expects people to move out just because someone is supposedly faster.

Edit: just to add more context, IRL if you drive a F1 Ferrari or Merc or whatever faster car and qualify last, do you expect people to give you way just because you are in a Ferrari? Don't think so.

 

[Granadier]

Never thought I would get anywhere close to even the top 50 after signing with Porsche this season considering their popularity. Especially with rounds 2-5 being essentially write offs because of personal commitments. I just wanted to drive for a manu I was comfortable with. Hopefully I can pull another good result from the last two rounds and get that 42 to drop.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Them's the breaks. If the guy defending isn't brakechecking you, running you off the road, or just slamming into you, he's not in any way in the wrong.

Bide your time, wait for the error, make the pass. You're not owed a place because you can cover a lap quicker. You have to earn it by passing - and it's not a requirement to make it easy for you to do so. If he's better at defending than you are at passing, you're in the position you deserve to be in.

Of course if they're a knob about it and driving dangerously and erratically, they are indeed in the wrong - but holding you up isn't an indication of that by itself.

There is such a thing as picking your battles. Any sort of defending will cause your lap times to suffer which can result in losing more positions later. It's not as relevant in no pit/one compound racing like Nations but much more so when pit/tire strategy combos come into play like RBR.

And based on the races I've seen, excessive defending tends to result in someone shoving that person off. I'm not saying that's the right course of action but never underestimate what people are willing to do when they lose patience.

 

[dlshearon]

I predicted my participation in Round 8 at Red Bull to be a cluster ...
So went in on the first race with no big expectations. I needed to be on the podium to get any more points than what I had received in my 5 best races (this has been my best season yet with respect to placements in the races)
I had 10 on the door and a lackluster qualifying gave me 7th on the grid. I know I could do better than that in the race, so I was cautiously optimistic as the race started.
Note that this race had a mixture of strategies where people started on S or M or even Hard. My strategy was S/H/M
In turn one I advanced one position and as the rest of the race unfolded I was smelling blood. I did two passes or perhaps one, that was questionable aggressive but the rest of the race was a very enjoyable battle. Clean racing.
I considered to do my regular race edit, but I did not know what to cut out, as it was constant action .....
I elected to capture the broadcast cam replay.

Enjoy:

Fun race dude!
I was in the grey Stang.
Enjoyed every minute of that race that I stopped there for the FIA’s last night.

See ya on the Mountain!

@Granadier how many people roughly race in NY? In TN we have about 30 in Nations but 8 or 9 for Manu.

 

[GTWolverine]

If I haven't said it already, this game's slipstream is becoming one of its worst aspects by far. Qualifying is starting to feel more like luck of the draw on whether you can find a train of cars and hoping you don't either lose draft or catch up too quickly. The racing itself is now more like going up against rubberband AI and combined with basically no penalty system, there's not much incentive to race clean.

Now with yesterday, I really wish I was in the first two slots. Easily could've been in contention for a win. Instead, I lost out on slipstream q in the hardest room, ended up 19th due to incidents second attempt and the last room having no points whatsoever. I just wanted to actually get that win.

Maybe it's because I'm never in the top splits, but slipstream doesn't seem to ever be a consideration in most of my races except on tracks like Tokyo and Blue Moon Bay. In fact I still try to get a big gap to the guy in front of me, because I'm still worried about being held up by them if I happen to be a lot faster of if they make a mistake. With qualifying being as short as it is now, there's no way I'd risk my lap being ruined by a slower driver in order to gain a few tenths in the slipstream.

 

[05XR8]

Maybe it's because I'm never in the top splits, but slipstream doesn't seem to ever be a consideration in most of my races except on tracks like Tokyo and Blue Moon Bay. In fact I still try to get a big gap to the guy in front of me, because I'm still worried about being held up by them if I happen to be a lot faster of if they make a mistake. With qualifying being as short as it is now, there's no way I'd risk my lap being ruined by a slower driver in order to gain a few tenths in the slipstream.

I agree. Clear track is the best option for me. I've had faster drivers than me, use my tow and barge past me to make their lap. Now, I wait to see players I recognize as fast and some that may not have the skills to do a quick qualy lap. I'll choose to go out as early as possible or be one of the last.