FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Roman_GT23]

I also want to rage that I'm sick and tired of these fuel sappers getting in the way of others on their hot laps. I'm not the best qualifier I'll gladly admit, my race pace is far better than qualy or TT. I need ~2 laps for qualy. I can't just do it on one lap. It's almost as a safety buffer if I get it wrong I have another crack but almost every other time my times are hindered by people SITTING ON THE RACING LINE revving it out in first gear trying to burn as much fuel as possible. I kind of I wish (and I hate Iracing I prefer GT over it) the qualifying system for the FIA races would adopt the solo qualifying system Iracing uses that everyone qualifying at once but they're the only ones on track.

 

[milehighmadd]

I also want to rage that I'm sick and tired of these fuel sappers getting in the way of others on their hot laps. I'm not the best qualifier I'll gladly admit, my race pace is far better than qualy or TT. I need ~2 laps for qualy. I can't just do it on one lap. It's almost as a safety buffer if I get it wrong I have another crack but almost every other time my times are hindered by people SITTING ON THE RACING LINE revving it out in first gear trying to burn as much fuel as possible. I kind of I wish (and I hate Iracing I prefer GT over it) the qualifying system for the FIA races would adopt the solo qualifying system Iracing uses that everyone qualifying at once but they're the only ones on track.

I think the new update (whenever that actually happens and if it even works) had cryptic language in the press release that hints towards addressing the qualifying nonsense; either you should be able to change the amount of fuel, or everyone starts qual with that 0-fuel feel like in practicing.

 

[Groundfish]

I also want to rage that I'm sick and tired of these fuel sappers getting in the way of others on their hot laps. I'm not the best qualifier I'll gladly admit, my race pace is far better than qualy or TT. I need ~2 laps for qualy. I can't just do it on one lap. It's almost as a safety buffer if I get it wrong I have another crack but almost every other time my times are hindered by people SITTING ON THE RACING LINE revving it out in first gear trying to burn as much fuel as possible. I kind of I wish (and I hate Iracing I prefer GT over it) the qualifying system for the FIA races would adopt the solo qualifying system Iracing uses that everyone qualifying at once but they're the only ones on track.

Yeah, I find fuel burning a silly waste of time. However it’s far better than qual being done beforehand because imo that can be a poor indication of racepace.

 

[GTWolverine]

I also want to rage that I'm sick and tired of these fuel sappers getting in the way of others on their hot laps. I'm not the best qualifier I'll gladly admit, my race pace is far better than qualy or TT. I need ~2 laps for qualy. I can't just do it on one lap. It's almost as a safety buffer if I get it wrong I have another crack but almost every other time my times are hindered by people SITTING ON THE RACING LINE revving it out in first gear trying to burn as much fuel as possible. I kind of I wish (and I hate Iracing I prefer GT over it) the qualifying system for the FIA races would adopt the solo qualifying system Iracing uses that everyone qualifying at once but they're the only ones on track.

That's exactly how I feel. If tire wear is low enough to allow for 2 flying laps, I'd rather have a slightly heavier car and get 2 laps in in case I need them than only have 1 shot to not screw up my qualifying lap. I actually had to use my 2nd lap yesterday after screwing up the corkscrew on my first run. Actually on the run up to the corkscrew, a fuel-burning Citroen just...turned into the side of me as I was passing them on the outside. That didn't cause my error at the corkscrew, but it probably cost me a fraction of a second, so I would've wanted to improve on my 2nd lap anyway.

In the first Manufacturers round at Maggiore, a fuel-burning Mercedes blocked the racing line in the esses after the banked hairpin, and I slammed into them, giving myself a 5s penalty, which I had to serve on my next lap, so in spite of leaving time for 2 hot laps, I couldn't use either of them and started dead last.

 

[Ashthebash]

I think the new update (whenever that actually happens and if it even works) had cryptic language in the press release that hints towards addressing the qualifying nonsense; either you should be able to change the amount of fuel, or everyone starts qual with that 0-fuel feel like in practicing.

I think they'll increase the multipliers for qualifying. But a slightly different option, they could give you one set of tyres and enforce a time delta that your out lap has to be faster than or it invalidates the next two laps, that would stop fuel burning drivers getting in the way of those on hot laps because they'd all be around the track in time.

I had a corker at Spa on Saturday when after my first qualy (fuel burn and one hot lap) got destroyed I decided to go for two hot laps so I at least had a banker. First hot lap, guy fuel burning on his out lap climbing the hill towards Les Combes decides to move onto the racing line 150m from the corner as I'm barreling down the straight at 180mph, nearly a plane crash!

Yeah, I find fuel burning a silly waste of time. However it’s far better than qual being done beforehand because imo that can be a poor indication of racepace.

Problem is it's not a silly waste of time. I don't like it, but to go back to Spa. Fuel burning vs two hot laps for me, fuel burning was 0.5s quicker, that was the difference between front row and fifth row, and ultimately (because I'm 90% sure I'd have brought it home with the pace I had there!) the difference between a decent 4th place and a probable victory

 

[Pearl Jam]

Yesterday was the stupidest race ever and the penalties for not pitting should have been adjusted to either 40 sec or a minute. Stupid Stupid Stupid!!!!! I'd rather go play bumper cars in Tokyo! Even with me "cheating" I got in a room full of aliens and was only 14th.

cool story bro.

 

[Groundfish]

I think they'll increase the multipliers for qualifying. But a slightly different option, they could give you one set of tyres and enforce a time delta that your out lap has to be faster than or it invalidates the next two laps, that would stop fuel burning drivers getting in the way of those on hot laps because they'd all be around the track in time.

I had a corker at Spa on Saturday when after my first qualy (fuel burn and one hot lap) got destroyed I decided to go for two hot laps so I at least had a banker. First hot lap, guy fuel burning on his out lap climbing the hill towards Les Combes decides to move onto the racing line 150m from the corner as I'm barreling down the straight at 180mph, nearly a plane crash!



Problem is it's not a silly waste of time. I don't like it, but to go back to Spa. Fuel burning vs two hot laps for me, fuel burning was 0.5s quicker, that was the difference between front row and fifth row, and ultimately (because I'm 90% sure I'd have brought it home with the pace I had there!) the difference between a decent 4th place and a probable victory

I get that but why does PD give so much fuel in qual? It’s ridiculous having cars driving in first floored lol.
Just give less fuel, let people qual.

 

[05XR8]

I think we're going a little too far out of the way to antagonize people for PDs error.

If a racing driver is hit with a drive-thru penalty, and still manages to win the race, are they a cheater too? Same goes with any major sport, there's fouls/penalties for rule infractions. There's a punishment for the infraction, and then the game moves on. I don't see how this is any different.

Ayrton Senna said it best: "If you no longer go for a gap which exists, you are no longer a racing driver."

That's true. In tracing pretty much every team pushes the limits to gain any type of advantage.
I remember a few years ago, (V8)Supercars teams, were entering pit lane at Phillip Island. A driver crossed the blend line down pit road entry. One team reported it and the team they "told on", got pinged.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/warning-fails-to-stop-pitlane-breaches/
Upon further review, it was noted multiple teams, including the team that initially reported it, were doing the same thing.

When drivers found out they'd been handed out penalties, they all said that's been going on for years. One driver got upset and just put a cone right where the blend line is, so that would solve it.

In this FIA Sport Mode instance, everyone that did exploit the loophole, got the deserving penalty. What probably needed to happen, was players get stripped of points. Probably half points.

But hey, I'm not an official and I haven't designed this game. I'm just a driver.

 

[kjeldsen]

That's true. In tracing pretty much every team pushes the limits to gain any type of advantage.
I remember a few years ago, (V8)Supercars teams, were entering pit lane at Phillip Island. A driver crossed the blend line down pit road entry. One team reported it and the team they "told on", got pinged.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/warning-fails-to-stop-pitlane-breaches/
Upon further review, it was noted multiple teams, including the team that initially reported it, were doing the same thing.

When drivers found out they'd been handed out penalties, they all said that's been going on for years. One driver got upset and just put a cone right where the blend line is, so that would solve it.

In this FIA Sport Mode instance, everyone that did exploit the loophole, got the deserving penalty. What probably needed to happen, was players get stripped of points. Probably half points.

But hey, I'm not an official and I haven't designed this game. I'm just a driver.

I prefer when game companies let their mistakes be their own to sort out instead of taking it out on those that abuse and take advantage of the bugs.
And if this round should be a deciding factor in who gets a spot anywhere (very unlikely) then it would be up to PD to check the results.

 

[chuyler1]

There are so many ways drivers bend the rules in this game vs real life you really can't say this strategy is any different than another. Driving the courses in a way that is unrealistic (bouncing off curbs that would destroy a car's suspension, cutting corners, etc), fuel burning before a qualifying lap, bombing into pit road at full speed, crossing the blend line, punting drivers and getting a 1-2s penalty when it takes the driver they punted 10s to get out of the sand. So yeah, there are a lot of things PD has to work on, and this is no exception.

But really, 2 pit stops for a 25 minute race that can be done no-stop, at a track with a long pit road, that is just stupid to begin with.

But I digress. I'm fine with whatever changes PD may apply after this. Just like banning rotary engines at Le Mans, the fix doesn't take away the win, it just ensures it will never happen again.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

This is (hopefully) the last thing I'll say about this whole matter.

In the time I have played this game, I have noted the following exploits:

Penalty glitching 1: Braking right before the line at the end of the race to get rid of the penalties so that your time loss would be far less than doing it properly. Anyone that tried to rid of the penalties as designed lost out big.
Penalty glitching 2: Touching the brakes before the penalty zone, reducing the time lost compared to going into the zone regularly. Again, those that didn't do this cost themselves more time.
Tire mixing: Putting a different compound on the front tires compared to the rear, therefore fulfilling two tire requirements at once. Definitely faster - especially if it also meant skipping a pit stop - than running the race as intended.
H-shifter: People that had the shifter had an advantage over those that didn't. Especially problematic when the combo had a car that shifted slow. Unfair to those that didn't have the equipment.
Slipstream qualifying: Is faster than doing your own qualifying at just about every combination. Basically everyone trying to exploit one another when the whole concept should be about running the fastest time on merit.

And in every single case, I could argue that using them violated the spirit of the rules or outright broke them. Yet, just about all the top split drivers went along and used them until PD addressed the issue. Where was the outrage towards others then? Why not calls to voluntarily stop using the old exploits or slipstream qualifying right now? What was the impetus to create such drama now? Would these people have used the exploit if it was the regular season?

At this point, I'm not overly concerned what the answers are. Like I said before, I found the whole thing rather amusing and I'm not going to worry about those that want to disagree with me. Just need to have the appropriate patch so that we can avoid this next time.

 

[SpeedStarGTS]

Everybody know PD intent with the tires requirement yet they say its not cheating for exploiting the rules, its a strategy. fair enough. The rule for sending someone off the track is 2-7 second. if i were to strategically pushing someone to win a race there nothing wrong with that as long i serve the penalty, the hell with sportsmanship. rly ppl -_-

 

[GTWolverine]

Everybody know PD intent with the tires requirement yet they say its not cheating for exploiting the rules, its a strategy. fair enough. The rule for sending someone off the track is 2-7 second. if i were to strategically pushing someone to win a race there nothing wrong with that as long i serve the penalty, the hell with sportsmanship. rly ppl -_-

You're ruining someone's race by pushing them off the track or into a wall. You're not ruining anyone's race by skipping tire compounds.

 

[SpeedStarGTS]

You're ruining someone's race by pushing them off the track or into a wall. You're not ruining anyone's race by skipping tire compounds.

So you have ppl racing fairly than you have one of two using exploit to gain advantage hows is that not ruining the race for them

 

[Groundfish]

So you have ppl racing fairly than you have one of two using exploit to gain advantage hows is that not ruining the race for them

I think that the problem is often the dirty driver gets further ahead.
Most tracks have a place where you can be punted and the person who did it gains a lot of time on you, even serving their pen.
To me, real racing can be dirty, this game can be dirty, the game DOES force you to race hard.
To my taste there’s a little too much emphasis placed on finishing position and not enough on cleanliness.
I’ve got mixed feelings. Racing can be tough, but imo this game needs to do better at punishment.
There’s gotta be a way to adjust dr scoring such that lowering sr prevents dr gain.
It may not reflect reality as much, but I’m sure everyone would have more fun.
I will openly admit that once you reach a certain level you can do whatever you want to any player.
I think ok fine, you went dirty, but you shouldn’t be rewarded for that so much.
There’s scores of players with sr stats that look like seismometer readings of earthquakes.
If it affected dr or ability to win there would be no incentive to go arcade.
At some level far up in the game you should not be able to win in a dirty fashion.
What will keep players from playing is dirty dr
Good players with control know there’s no skill in a dive.
Too many incidents? Don’t match in top room for say a week...
Right now no one slows down or plays in control at many levels, because there’s zero incentive to be in control.
Just dive in bounce the car away speed off laughing.
Meanwhile people that don’t like this will look elsewhere like lobbies or other games.
In order to continue on as the best game it ought to focus more like it was at release with stricter safety standards.
Once you allow dirty drivers to push people off and still get ahead many folks will not play.

Maybe offer also at some time slot the daily races but not ranked too, like once every 2 hours or something one each, exactly the same as daily with pens, but no ones rank would be affected or something...

 

[Peddler13]

Before yesterday's race, I got a black screen when trying to qualify. Couldn't set a time since everything was black except for my car indicators. Quitting qual and re-entering didn't do anything.

Has this happened to anyone before?

At Laguna in qualifying it didn't go black, but as the AI took over leaving the pits, all of the cars were driving into walls and each other
It looked like the Benny Hill show. Cracked me up and almost destroyed my qualifying mindset. After a few seconds everything got going and returned to normal. I thought that it was just a normal glitch. Although it didn't happen in the previous timeslot.

 

[TeddyWestside]

At Laguna in qualifying it didn't go black, but as the AI took over leaving the pits, all of the cars were driving into walls and each other
It looked like the Benny Hill show. Cracked me up and almost destroyed my qualifying mindset. After a few seconds everything got going and returned to normal. I thought that it was just a normal glitch. Although it didn't happen in the previous timeslot.

That's a regular, if in frequent, occurence. I once had that happen whilst the cars were supposed to be creeping towards the rolling start - cars just turning into the barriers, reversing out and driving into a different barrier. Went on for several minutes as I recall.

 

[Lost Sheltie]

What's the car for the nations race this weekend? Is it that red bull thingy?
If so, do you think a slipstream will be a good idea? Would imagine the dirty air will make it a nightmare in the twisty bits.

 

[Granadier]

If PD wanted drivers to follow the tire requirements they:

1) Shouldn’t have made all 3 compounds required for a 15 lap race with comparatively low multipliers.

2) Should have configured the pit lane at Leguna Seca to not take an hour and a half for your car to go between these marks.

 

[Ashthebash]

What's the car for the nations race this weekend? Is it that red bull thingy?
If so, do you think a slipstream will be a good idea? Would imagine the dirty air will make it a nightmare in the twisty bits.

Yeah, Red Bull Jr

It's really hard and risky to follow closely and very easy to lose it when they take your downforce away. I think a lot of people who try for a slipstream will come a cropper as a result, I'll be looking for my own little part of the track

 

[Groundfish]

Tbh I love the jr but on that track I...I have yet to find a good flow. Brands would be brilliant in that car I bet.
That race will be a good one to just be steady, there’s gonna be a lot of flying jr off those curbs.
The jr is very light and what 260 hp?
It needs throttle always and lifting even slightly with all the df decelerates it and tightens the arc.
It’s very easy to overslow that car. I just don’t think it matches the track very well. That tracks unforgiving.

 

[GTWolverine]

Tbh I love the jr but on that track I...I have yet to find a good flow. Brands would be brilliant in that car I bet.
That race will be a good one to just be steady, there’s gonna be a lot of flying jr off those curbs.
The jr is very light and what 260 hp?
It needs throttle always and lifting even slightly with all the df decelerates it and tightens the arc.
It’s very easy to overslow that car. I just don’t think it matches the track very well. That tracks unforgiving.

Surprisingly I actually enjoy it around this track, with the exception of the final corner...

 

[milehighmadd]

Surprisingly I actually enjoy it around this track, with the exception of the final corner...

Helps to coast into the final turn. Once I start to see the curb on the opposite side start to peak, I'll begin to steer left.

For strategy, I'm guessing 12-1-12 or maybe add a 2nd stint on softs. Hard tires aren't too bad. Pit time is about 10s. Fuel drops 6%/lap flat out.

Also, might be better to start race on RM instead of RS. Was getting slightly better times that way.

 

[GTWolverine]

Helps to coast into the final turn. Once I start to see the curb on the opposite side start to peak, I'll begin to steer left.

For strategy, I'm guessing 12-1-12 or maybe add a 2nd stint on softs. Hard tires aren't too bad. Pit time is about 10s. Fuel drops 6%/lap flat out.

Also, might be better to start race on RM instead of RS. Was getting slightly better times that way.

I'll try using the right-side curbing as a turn-in marker. It would be 1000% easier if they would just shave down the left-hand curbing. I tried a 3-stop strategy in another practice race, and getting stuck behind someone completely negates any tire advantage you might have. I was on both sides of it in 2 different practice races.

In the first race, the polesitter outqualified me by over 1s, and I started 3rd. He jumped the start slightly and got a penalty, allowing me to take him before Turn 1 and put me in 2nd (the car that qualified 2nd took the lead). In spite of me being at a clear pace disadvantage, he wasn't even able to think about overtaking me because of all of the dirty air from my car.

In the next race, I found myself racing against another car on a 2-stopper vs. my 3-stop strategy. I had a natural pace advantage in addition to newer soft tires, but once I got within slipstream range, I struggled to get any closer and couldn't overtake him before the end of the race.

 

[milehighmadd]

I'll try using the right-side curbing as a turn-in marker. It would be 1000% easier if they would just shave down the left-hand curbing. I tried a 3-stop strategy in another practice race, and getting stuck behind someone completely negates any tire advantage you might have. I was on both sides of it in 2 different practice races.

In the first race, the polesitter outqualified me by over 1s, and I started 3rd. He jumped the start slightly and got a penalty, allowing me to take him before Turn 1 and put me in 2nd (the car that qualified 2nd took the lead). In spite of me being at a clear pace disadvantage, he wasn't even able to think about overtaking me because of all of the dirty air from my car.

In the next race, I found myself racing against another car on a 2-stopper vs. my 3-stop strategy. I had a natural pace advantage in addition to newer soft tires, but once I got within slipstream range, I struggled to get any closer and couldn't overtake him before the end of the race.

Holding 5th helps too + subtle throttle lift. Shouldn't need to brake there which I had been doing.

 

[koshmare]

Round 10 hot laps

 

[SmokeyMR2]

Wasn't it common practice for P1 to decide the side he wanted to start in?

I'm not 100% sure but yes I think at some point in the past, one of the perks of pole was choosing the side you started but I am not sure when they changed that rule.

 

[Peddler13]

I think this changed after the Senna thing

 

[Ashthebash]

Surprisingly I actually enjoy it around this track, with the exception of the final corner...

All depends on what side of bed I've got out of regarding that corner! I'll either take it lovely every lap or write off the car

It WILL catch me out in the race, and I'll get at least two penalties. It's one of the corners on the game where I wish I used a viewpoint that's set a bit higher

Helps to coast into the final turn. Once I start to see the curb on the opposite side start to peak, I'll begin to steer left.

For strategy, I'm guessing 12-1-12 or maybe add a 2nd stint on softs. Hard tires aren't too bad. Pit time is about 10s. Fuel drops 6%/lap flat out.

A three stopper with two stints on softs is definitely viable in terms of time and I've been trying that one out, it's not easy to close in on another car to pass it though and traffic in these cars can destroy your race without you realising. You'll be lapping behind someone thinking you're going ok but could be well over 1s off what you'd expect to do in clean air. Track position is king

Edit: just tried a two stopper - and I'm not trying another one! Was just slow

 

[Granadier]

Has anyone found a good strategy for Catalunya on Sunday? RS tires have been lasting me about 4, maybe 5 laps in the Supra, and RM's seem like a bad idea. Is a 4 stopper even conceivable?