Formula 1 Großer Preis Santander Von Deutschland 2012

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Mclaren say they're aiming for a podium or a win.

Info from here.
 
My prediction for the podium places is
1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Räikkönen

With the finn setting fastest lap
 
Assuming the track will be dry for the race today.
Will Vettel make short work of Alonso?

I hope they have a battle which will allow Schumacher to get past and win the race. Also the same with Nico Hulkenberg, then Alonso has a messy pit stop and Vettel takes his spot to make it an all German podium. Not German, but would just love to see the crowd when they have a German driver winning in a German team in a German track, with two other German drivers next to him. The fans would be crazy.
 
Im pulling for Raikkonen and Vettel. I would like to see Grosjean move up the grid.
Have Maldonado not ruin someones race
and see Massa put a move on Alonso.
 
@tedkravitz: Both Red Bull cars reported to stewards by Charlie Whiting for potentially illegal engine maps. More soon.
 
by Charlie? or by Ferrari and Mclaren.
Was it a tech inspection type infraction?
 
If they were found guilty before the start of the race, would they not be allowed to start?

They'd be more likely to get sent to the back of the grid.
 
Alonso's 2 main rivals might get sent to the back of the grid? Oh boy, I'm sure Alonso fans and Alonso himself are loving this.
 
My prediction for the podium places is
1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Räikkönen

With the finn setting fastest lap

Räikkönen will be so quick with hard tyres so he will take the lead having 3 laps to go :dopey:
 
I think a lot of people would be, given how Red Bull managed to make a splitter that flexed last year, but still passed all of the FIA safety tests. A lot of people feel they are abusing the rules a little.
 
No news on the outcome of the Red Bull investigation (you'll know about it when it happens), but Andrew Benson just Tweeted this, which puts it in pretty simple terms:
Basically, accusation is throttles are more open than should be for given torque, so more air blowing thru exhausts, so more downforce
 
I'd like to redraw attention to this post, made at the Valencia weekend.

It's taken damn near a month, two full races and most of a third before, it seems, investigation has occurred. Will we see RBR's results from Valencia and Great Britain annulled if they're found guilty? Oddly, Webber's other win at Monaco wasn't taken off him despite the illegal floor...
 
I don't think they'll retroactively change results. That's never a good sign. I have a very clear memory of you criticising the FIA for doing it in 2009 when Hamilton was found to have lied to the stewards after the Australian Grand Prix and was disqualified from the race at the next event in Malaysia. But if it was felt that Red Bull had used illegal engine maps for three rounds, then the FIA could probably ban them for three races. That's a much neater way of doing it.
 
Alonso is probably hysterical right now. He just has to finish races. The other guys will get themselves disqualifed or get whacked by Maldonado.
 
Given how limp the stewards have been with Pastor and the floor issue earlier in the year, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more then a slap on the wrists.
 
"The FIA has reviewed the complaint, and has decided to accept Red Bull's explanation that their car is powered by magic farts."
 
Alonso is probably hysterical right now. He just has to finish races. The other guys will get themselves disqualifed or get whacked by Maldonado.

I'm getting hysterical just reading that last bit right now! :lol:

@Mike Sadly, this is just sort of how it's going to end for this, a small fine and a "don't do it again."
 
Red Bull has to run everything they do with the engines through the Renault technicians.So they knew about it. It makes me think the FIA won't find anything because I dont beleive Renault would let that happen seeing as they know all of the engine regulations because they built the engine.

But then again Red Bull has a habit of brushing aside warnings from there suppliers.


Where did Maldonado qualify btw.
 
But then again Red Bull has a habit of brushing aside warnings from there suppliers.
Indeed. They did run their camber settings outside the upper limit as suggested by Pirelli at Spa last year, and then complained that their tyres were blistering. The FIA responded by making Pirelli's recommended camber settings compulsory.

Where did Maldonado qualify btw.
Sixth. Which became fifth with Webber's gearbox penalty.
 
Red Bull has to run everything they do with the engines through the Renault technicians.So they knew about it. It makes me think the FIA won't find anything because I dont beleive Renault would let that happen seeing as they know all of the engine regulations because they built the engine.

But then again Red Bull has a habit of brushing aside warnings from there suppliers.


Where did Maldonado qualify btw.

Qualified in 6th, will start in 5th due to Webber's penalty. Pray for the drivers behind him, and pray for both Schumi and Hulkenberg, who will have to dodge his front wing in turn 1.

tree'd.
 
Given how limp the stewards have been with Pastor and the floor issue earlier in the year, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more then a slap on the wrists.

Unfortunately this is probably the outcome.

Hoping for something more though.
 
I dont think its been mentioned here in the forum but once you hear how the FIA picked up on this it just sounds very wishy washy and I dont really expect anything to be done.

The FIA suspects that Red Bull are breaching the regulations because they noticed that in the torque maps for the engine this weekend the Renault engines are producing much less torque in the mid-Rpm range than in the past weekends.
I dont want to defend Red Bull because we all know they are doing something fishy but at the same time is that really going to hold up with the stewards? The engine is making less torque than usual....Is that even an argument. It seems very easy for Red Bull to defend themselves.

I have not looked at the article in the regs so i dont know what it says. Sounds like it says the engines must produce the max possible torque at all engine speeds or else...

got from autosport article posted on the previous page:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101403
 
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Given how limp the stewards have been with Pastor and the floor issue earlier in the year, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more then a slap on the wrists.
Ah, but they did penalise Hamilton for being under-fuelled at the end of qualifying in Spain.

The difference is that Maldonado's problems have all been subjective. For example, when he crashed into Perez at Silverstone, one could easily make the case that he simply lost control of the car because he went into the corner a little too quickly. Likewise, the whole slots and holes argument again comes down to the interpretation of the rule. Red Bull rightfully pointed out that there was nothing in the rule book that said their floor holes absolutely had to go to the edge of the floor, prompting the FIA to close that loophole.

If you look at Jo Bauer's language in the FIA notification, you will notice he is being very, very definitive:
"Having examined the engine base torque map of car numbers 01 and 02 it became apparent that the maximum torque output of both engines is significantly less in the mid rpm range than previously seen at other events. In my opinion this is therefore in breach of article 5.5.3 of the 2012 Formula 1 technical regulations as the engines are able to deliver more torque at a given engine speed in the mid rpm range. Furthermore this new torque map will artificially alter the aerodynamic characteristics of both cars which is also in contravention of TD 036-11. I am referring this matter to the stewards."
He's not referring the matter to the stewards for clarification. He's taking a very affirmitive stance. He says that it is in violation of the regulations, not that it could be. And as the Technical Delegate, it it Jo Bauer's job to interpret the rules. He is the one who has the final say on the matter, because he is the one the teams turn to when they need the rules to be settled. So for him to say that it the RB8 is illegal is a major mark against the team.
 
Autosport have published an article describing what the issue with Red Bull is in simple terms. It's worth a read.
 
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