It was originally brought up by @SlipZtrEm as a comparison that if a game on older hardware can have these features, then it would be a safe bet to assume that a game on superior hardware can get it done as well. Enter @Zer0, who comes around at every chance that PD and Forza are mentioned in the same sentence, and in turn make's it a VS thread. Then people end up replying(like me) and it gets dragged out.
That won't wash
You dont? Then I find it very odd that you did exactly that
Because you ask for them, and now they say that those things are most likely coming. What the outcome is has yet to be seen obviously, but why would you ask for these things and then shoot them down when they come up when they are introduced? Like I said, you more willing to put down the publisher and the game, if you still complain about the feature's you talk about being implemented now. To what extent, we will soon find out.
Frame rate drops are never, ever, ever justified. It does effect gameplay, if they are fluctuating around then that definitely will interrupt your inputs. I dont mind a locked framerate even if it is lowered, but fluctuations is what bothers me most. Like I've said a million times.
Framerate Hz and input Hz are a separate thing and rarely interfere one with another, it does not in GT5/6. Often the input Hz is much higher than the screen framerate for a reason specially in steering wheels (up to 500 Hz).
It has more to do with each other then you think. I was not talking about input lag at all so I'm not sure why you brought that up. When frames drop and screen tearing happens, the visual feedback you are getting from the game is not going to be accurate. You can be full lock but because of the lag your getting from the frames your car can still look like you're going straight. You over correct because you think something else is happening, causing you to make a fault. I would call that effecting gameplay, wouldn't you?
What does any of this have to do with what I said? It's funny that you say that though, when you are the that came in and actually started this(like always, right before you disappear for a month or so)
I'm not starting a war, I'm replying to your ridiculous points.
I brought that up because you stated that the framerate will interrupt your inputs, and the framerate is not linked to your controller inputs. Internally in the simulation the controller inputs are updated constantly at a faster rate and independly of the 60 images per second drawn on screen. Even if some frame is not drawn on screen or the screen framerate vary the controls are still working and being updated, not interrupted. I was also not talking about input lag. If the framerate don't dip below 30 fps your example should not be a big problem or nobody could play a 30 fps FM1 or a 30 fps FH2.
As expected. So, how do you would address any performance slowdowns ocurring in FM6?What does any of this have to do with what I said? It's funny that you say that though, when you are the that came in and actually started this(like always, right before you disappear for a month or so)
They physically dont interrupt each other in a way that hinders your input Hz, you're correct. Even though I did not mention any thing remotely concerning that.
If the screen is showing something that is not happening, then it will interrupt your inputs, Why are you pretending it doesnt? Locked frame rates are much different then fluctuating frame rates. That's why when they fluctuate the screen is not accurately showing what is going on. That is whats going to cause your inputs to be off. I really dont understand how you dont get that. You can play Fh2 and 30 fps because the frames ARE NOT lagging, freezing, tearing, and flying all over the place. How you even compare the two is just ridiculous.
By coming here and discussing it? What are you even asking. You seem to be confusing yourself.
See above.
I think that it's PD have decided to put their feet up instead. Even an announcement regarding GT at E3 would at least put some doubter's minds to rest that the game won't appear as late into the PS4's lifecycle as 5 and 6 did into the PS3's. Right now I'm afraid there's still no real racing reason for me to buy a PS4 in addition to my Xbone and PC.
Just imagine if Kaz decided to step down or share the reins with someone who believed in real grip physics, tough AI and proper race rules. PS4 owners could have some proper PES/FIFA-style franchise competition between PD and SMS that would put even Xbone's comparative plethora of racing titles to shame and everyone would benefit.
I think Kaz has his head in the clouds, what with all the overly ambitious and just plain silly stuff that he dreams up. Moon bloody buggy missions? ffs.
Horizon 2 uses Forward rendering and has 24 hours dynamic lighting/time progressions, forward or deferred don't mandate the lighting model, just the order in which stuff gets drawn by the engine.
Xbone has big issues with deferred rendering because the render targets don't fit into 32mb eSRAM. So that practically eliminates any chance of 1080p. T10 is not going that way. FH2's Forward+ rendering makes thousands of dynamic lights very cheap to render.
I always have guessed that FM6 would be a 60 fps locked game, even with dynamic features. Not sure what do you mean with "bombard". The only thing I have discussed is how difficult would be to fully implement all the expected new real-time features at 1080/60, locked, without quality compromises and in a 2 years short period, and because to T10 the locked 60 fps is a no discussion factor and one of their selling points, contrary to other developers who have more margin to play thanks to the not locked framerates.
You "bombard" T10 with all these things that they won't be able to do and that they'd have framerate problems and are limited by hardware, when you've done nothing of the sort with PD when we actually know they have a problem with those exact things. You hold PD in high regard, even though they cant even achieve what they are trying to do, yet you put T10 down for them possibly running into the same problems PD did, but you ignore the fact for one publisher, and attack the other. That is why @Tornado brought up that point, and that is exactly why you are extremely biased, even though you pretend that you aren't.
Because it's what Zero does. He's completely critical of anything and everything T10 does for reasons unknown to most of us. Just look at his post history.
