Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

[Famine]

Potentially there's one complete prototype in its original, intended form

Yep, that's the car in the image.

I'm not entirely sure why it's showing as first registered in 2002, or called - mis-spelled twice - a "ginneta ginneta".

 

[INEEDNAWZZZ]

My mistake, I thought that one was separate for some reason. The DVLA thing is definitely odd; maybe an old chassis that wasn't on record and had an intern filling in the details when putting it on the system.

 

[Digolgrin]

I do recall someone who worked at Ginetta accidentally revealed in an Instagram comment that the modelling team did scan every car that was there. Potentially there's one complete prototype in its original, intended form that, despite not being publicly shown, they didn't mind having in the game? Hard to say, but it happens sometimes. The original Most Wanted had a Grande Punto before they launched, which had a 6-speed gearbox and 5-lug wheels as standard, yet neither of those were available for the real car in any trim.

When was this? I'm interested to know, for the sake of development insight, of course.

 

[INEEDNAWZZZ]

When was this? I'm interested to know, for the sake of development insight, of course.

Apologies, I was misremembering; someone went on a tour of the Ginetta factory and saw them scanning. I got my wires crossed with a Mercedes dealer who'd said they'd been to scan some of their inventory (such as the Hammer wagon and the E55 AMG).

 

[nukleabomb]

https://support.forzamotorsport.net/hc/en-us/articles/27769217354899-FH5-Release-Notes-March-26th-2024

FH5 Release Notes: March 26th, 2024

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We're constantly working to improve the experience in Forza Horizon 5. Below you will find a summary of items fixed or improved upon in this update.



New Features (Available from March 26th)

• 18 Horizon Race Off EventLab Props
  • 8 Signs & Flags: Asphalt Billboard, Offroad Billboard, Asphalt Flags (White, Dark Blue, Blue), Offroad Flags (White, Dark Orange, Orange)
  • 2 Gameplay: Asphalt Pinata Helmet, Offroad Pinata Helmet
  • 6 Festival: Horizon Race Off Display, Horizon Race Off Entrance, Asphalt Entrance, Offroad Entrance, Asphalt Festival Tower, Offroad Festival Tower
  • 2 Walls & Fences (featuring Snap Functionality): Asphalt Barrier, Offroad Barrier

4 “Acceleration Car Pack” Cars (Available from March 26th - Not included with the Forza Horizon 5 Car Pass, Standard, Deluxe or Premium Editions)

• 1967 Shelby GT 500
• 2019 Ginetta G10 RM
• 2021 McLaren Sabre
• 2022 Ford Supervan 4

6 Unlockable cars (Available from March 28th onwards)

• 4 Festival Playlist Reward Cars
  • 2023 McLaren Artura
  • 2020 Audi TT RS Coupé
  • 2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra
  • 2020 Jaguar F-Type SVR
• 2 Horizon Race Off Reward Cars
  • 2024 Ford Mustang GT
  • 2020 Ford F-150 Raptor R

"Horizon Race Off" Limited Timed Series Features (Available from March 28th to April 25th)

• Horizon Race Off: Represent Asphalt Racers and Offroad Racers by completing different types of races to unlock two exclusive rewards (redeemable through the in-game message center)
  • Asphalt Racers: complete Road & Drago Racing, Street Racing, Midnight Battles, Speed Racing (Hot Wheels), Apex Predators Races (Rally Adventure)
  • Offroad Racers: complete Dirt Racing, Cross Country Racing, Hazard Racing (Hot Wheels), Grit Reapers Races, Horizon Raptors Racers (Rally Adventure)
• Evolving World: Horizon Race Off outposts
• Evolving World: 2 Race Helmet Piñatas
• 2 Horizon Race Off Outfits (to be received in the in-game message center starting from Horizon Race Off Series switch on at March 28th at 2:30 PM UTC)
• 1 Series Car Collector Accolade

Bug fixes and changes​

General

• General performance and stability fixes

Cars

• Fixed an issue with the 2022 Porsche Cayman GT4 RS spoiler incorrect material (Bug 3930226)
• Fixed an issue with the 2020 Hyundai i30 N where the speedometer's needle animation was mapped to MPH instead of KMH (Bug 3930161)

EventLab

• Fixed an issue with EventLab where “Disable Standard Scoring” rule was not working (Bug 3925888)
• Fixed an issue with EventLab where Players made events were automatically set to 5 minutes when launched from the shared events menu (Bug 3926554)

 

[Digolgrin]

Apologies, I was misremembering; someone went on a tour of the Ginetta factory and saw them scanning. I got my wires crossed with a Mercedes dealer who'd said they'd been to scan some of their inventory (such as the Hammer wagon and the E55 AMG).

Huh, that was seven months ago, two months before FM2023. Must've taken them only two months to make the G60's model, since that was in the game pretty much from launch, so... maybe we'll get that soon too?

 

[Turboteg90]

Man they have been fixing something on the Cayman the last few updates.

 

[skazz]

In the Xbox App on PC I actually got a pop-up for the new car pack asking me if I wanted to purchase it, whereas in the past it would always arrive late in the app and I would buy it directly in game. Very smooth.

 

[Nacho Libre]

Update time: 15.01 GB on Series X.

 

[TheAdmiester]

Terminator Cobra gets a full Saleen kit:

2024 Mustang gets a "Triple Seven" bodykit and spoiler:

Artura gets some McLaren wing bits (the bigger one's adjustable):

 

[TheOE]

Terminator Cobra gets a full Saleen kit:
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2024 Mustang gets a "Triple Seven" bodykit and spoiler:
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Artura gets some McLaren wing bits (the bigger one's adjustable):
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That’s really great! The wing looks a bit like the new Mustang GTD. Looks like they focus on conversion kits at the moment. The Raptor has no special kits, has it?

 

[Populuxe]

Terminator Cobra gets a full Saleen kit:
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I've always liked the SN99 generation of Mustang.

 

[TheAdmiester]

That’s really great! The wing looks a bit like the new Mustang GTD. Looks like they focus on conversion kits at the moment. The Raptor has no special kits, has it?

It does have some overlanding parts for the bed and bumper, but I didn't take any shots as I think it's just the same as what the other trucks got in the overlanding update.

 

[Turboteg90]

Time to pay 20 mil for an extra mustang.

 

[Ls2BluGoat]

As someone that has owned a 2004 Terminator Cobra (see avatar), I absolutely can NOT believe Forza has added this car in. My jaw absolutely dropped once I found out the news. I've been wanting T10 to add this car in since the Forza Motorsport 2 days. Last time this car was featured was in PGR2, and has never made an appearance in a game since then.

Talk about a welcoming addition, was tired of making Cobra clones with the 00 Cobra R haha

 

[WanganDream]

Well, it's been a while since I've talked about Forza Customs.
This game is of course not directly related to FM23 or FH5, but in their latest update they did something interesting.

That is the Delorean bosozoku kit.
Whether you or I like this style of customization or not, the opinions of players who want this crazy style of body kit for Forza have been posted on the official forums for several years.

And Forza Customs has added many body kits and visual customizations in styles not seen in the past Forza that users have been requesting in the official forums.
For example, the low-rider style Chevy Impala, the Pro Street style Dodge Viper, and the off-road conversion Porsche Taycan.

There has long been speculation that this game is not just mobile junk, but a pre-test for more advanced visual customization in the future Forza series.

Is this bosozoku Delorean part of such an attempt?

 

[Populuxe]

I love this Ginetta.

 

[Edax 76]

I love this Ginetta.
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It is very pretty isn't it, and it drives lovely too.

 

[CarlosRGDias]

FH5 - STEAMDB - HOTFIX

 

[-Fred-]

Is this bosozoku Delorean part of such an attempt?

I hope not. I'd rather they license more actual bodykits/parts than go down the NFS Unbound-esque excessively crazy customization route.

 

[Edax 76]

Don Joewon Song has released a YouTube video this evening covering photo, video and vehicle placement tricks. I found it quite useful.

 

[Famine]

Hmm. I just got brand new manufacturer bonuses for Brabham, HDT, and Schuppan for some reason...

 

[Populuxe]

Hmm. I just got brand new manufacturer bonuses for Brabham, HDT, and Schuppan for some reason...

I got all of those last night as well.

 

[Digolgrin]

Hmm. I just got brand new manufacturer bonuses for Brabham, HDT, and Schuppan for some reason...

Same here. They must've revised them with the new patch to be more appealing since the current Brabham and the Schuppan are cars you get with the Hot Wheels expansion. I can't imagine they'd add new cars from these guys in Apex Allstars, since Schuppan literally only designed the one car and HDT's best known for their Commodore tune, so it's probably just PG realizing they needed to update their manufacturer bonuses.

 

[NotThePrez]

I love this Ginetta.
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It makes amazing sounds, but I could not gel with its performance out of the box. Better brakes and tires definitely go a long way with this car.

 

[Digolgrin]

Okay, so before I forget I should probably get my thoughts out on this next Series so far.

Honestly, had I kept this game uninstalled through these last two seasons, I probably would have reinstalled just for the Terminator. I really do think this car would have dragged me back into the game if nothing else from the last five Series did, the SN95 Mustangs are just that appealing to me. Add FH1's 1996 Mach One back in and I think I'd be satisfied.

Heck, all the love Ford is getting is worth the price of admission alone. Three Mustangs, including the original GT500, one from each 'era' of the car (not counting the econobox period, though I wouldn't mind seeing the King Cobra again), an unexpectedly insane Supervan EV racer, and the usual Pickup and 4X4 F-150 on top of that is just mindboggling to me; you'd think we'd have gotten this a year ago with Fordzathon instead of those Renaults. It's a small shame we're not getting the Dark Horse yet, but if I'm being honest, I feel like we'll see it in the months to come, PG won't let any new Mustang go without a performance-tuned variant.

What pulls me back down to earth about this, though, is... well, almost everything else aside from the two McLarens and the Ginetta--though the F-type SVR's not a bad choice either. The 2020 Audi TT RS being naught much more than a USDM facelift of the 2018 TT we already have from the Car Pass (which is pretty much what they did with the new Bentley GT in the European Automotive pack) makes me wonder if it was intended to fill the Bentley's place in the pack at one point before Audi reached out to make it a Playlist reward--something I would have usually welcomed considering their efforts to get all of their current performance line-up in FH5, but, well, isn't exactly welcome now considering that the R8 ceased production on the exact day the Series was announced. If we were going to get a new Audi here, I'd honestly have rather sprung for the R8, but since that's in GT7 now, it's possible that may have had something to do with it.

I'm also not impressed with the decision to focus entirely on asphalt cars for the new Playlist cars and make all of the Hard-to-Find cars this update off-roaders from Year One. If the whole theme of the update is 'asphalt vs. off-road', then PG should have bit the bullet and had 40 point car weeks with new off-road cars and make the Year One off-roaders into either Autoshow additions or seasonal event rewards--or at least alternated the 20 point cars so that one week would be an asphalt car and the next week would be an off-road car. It's a Community Challenge for Pete's sake, use the opportunity to force higher player engagement, I know you've done it before! (Guess they figure the return of S2 Anything Goes PR stunts will do that for 'em, perhaps.)

I get they would have wanted to synergize with the Acceleration Car Pack, since just about every Playlist car has a zero-to-60 time of under five seconds, and I might forgive this decision if they offer later Hard-to-Find cars in the Forzathon Shop this time--the Bronco Raptor and Meyers Manx 2.0 would be great for me since those were from the update I dipped on--but as it is, I find it baffling.

In short: 9/10 car update because Mustangs and Ford love, 6/10 Series because of seemingly hypocritical focus on asphalt cars and baffling Hard-to-Find choices.

 

[WanganDream]

The love they have for Ford is real.
But his love is mostly for the F-150, Mustang, Fiesta, Focus, along with some Australian cars, European classics, and the Bronco.

I also like the Mustang and F-150, and I also like the Fiesta and Focus.
However, T-Bird, Thunderbolt, Ranchero, Torino, Maverick (*referring to "coupe" Maverick, not pickup!)...I'm sure Ford still has some great models.
Still, the Ford they add is more diverse than the Porsche lineup. I'm really furious about this issue. I don't need the another latest 911, Cayman, or modified 356. Give me back my beloved Front engine Porsche series now!
However, if they decide to add more Fords in the future, it's time to give Fords who aren't "regular members" a chance.

 

[Escv12]

The love they have for Ford is real.
But his love is mostly for the F-150, Mustang, Fiesta, Focus, along with some Australian cars, European classics, and the Bronco.

I also like the Mustang and F-150, and I also like the Fiesta and Focus.
However, T-Bird, Thunderbolt, Ranchero, Torino, Maverick (*referring to "coupe" Maverick, not pickup!)...I'm sure Ford still has some great models.
Still, the Ford they add is more diverse than the Porsche lineup. I'm really furious about this issue. I don't need the another latest 911, Cayman, or modified 356. Give me back my beloved Front engine Porsche series now!
However, if they decide to add more Fords in the future, it's time to give Fords who aren't "regular members" a chance.

IIRC Ford and Porsche are happened to be the 1st and 2nd biggest manufacturer in the game with 73 and 45 cars respectively, and somehow, I still think there's still room for more cars from either of them. I do agree we should get some of the more obscure/less popular Ford models like Thunderbird and Torino, but personally, I don't mind seeing a couple more 911s, as long as they're special enough compared to the ones we already have (e.g. 992 Turbo S, Dakar, some classics like G-Model SC/RS, 964/993 Turbo and Carrera RS, and Targa models). A Boxster, Panamera Sport Turismo or a different Cayenne would be nice too.

 

[Jakexvx]

It's a Coronation Street (a British soap opera) reference.

There's a pub in Coronation Street called the Rovers Return. @UKMikey and I have a joke about a certain Youtuber looking like the landlady of the Rovers Return. Betty's Hotpot was a beef stew type meal served in the pub, and N&R is a pint of Newton and Ridley's beer.

 

[pez2k]

I can't imagine they'd add new cars from these guys in Apex Allstars, since Schuppan literally only designed the one car...

There were actually two Schuppan models, the 962LM and the 962CR. The LM came first, and was basically all of the parts of an early Porsche 962 built around Schuppan's own carbon chassis, with Porsche-supplied 962 long-tail bodywork and a water-cooled Porsche 2.65-litre DOHC race engine. There were more or less four of these, the first prototype used a Porsche chassis but was destroyed during testing, the two production cars now both wear replica Rothmans liveries (and the Japanese owner of one pretends it's a real Le Mans 962), then the final car was built by another company from spare parts when Schuppan got into financial difficulties, but never made road-legal.

The second Schuppan, the CR, had their own bespoke bodywork that took more influence from the 959, a wider passenger cell for comfort, and an air-cooled 3.4-litre SOHC supplied by Andial, which was road-derived, torquier, and more reliable. There were four CRs too, with the last one road-registered as late as 2006 after 13 years in storage. A fifth chassis was manufactured but was never used for a car, and more recently was used to rebuild the Andretti-raced 1991 Porsche that donated its original chassis to a Dauer road car.

The car in FH5 is the 962LM that was built from spare parts, which had a remaining CR rear bumper and a CR wing fibreglassed onto the Porsche bodywork. Stories differ on why, either to try to attract Porsche interest in creating a GT1-legal car from it as it wasn't entirely Group C bodywork any more (they backed Dauer instead), or to try to sell it to a buyer who had ordered a CR (who didn't take it either way). Where it gets confusing is that the current owner of this car claims it's a CR, despite using an LM chassis, bodywork, and probably engine, so when Playground have recreated it they've used the general 962CR specs that can be found online along with a model of that specific car, resulting in an LM that drives like a CR.

All of that is a very long way of saying that, while there were two Schuppan models, the one in FH5 is a mishmash of both, so if they added a second one it would either look like or drive like the one that's already in!