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It's weird watching that scene if you have binged it, it feels like not long ago she was a little kid.
I haven't watched the first 4 or 5 seasons in years and it was still tough to watch.

So I guess episode 3 will be the battle and then figure a third to half of episode 4, because cliff-hanger. Then in episode 5, the survivors have to defeat Cersei and then those survivors have to fight over the throne in the last episode. Seems legit.
 
Ah I think the throne will be an afterthought.

The main thing is Bran he is the plot imo.
The story is like a fugue, one theme is that of human families - Stark, Baratheon, Targaryen, etc. Then there is this supernatural subtext of the battle for the dawn, dragons, 3-eyed ravens and whitewalkers. At the end of the story, I'm guessing the magic is diminished and the humans in conflict with themselves will advance.
 
Lyanna Mormont went out like an absolute boss. And Ser Friendzone too :(

Not quite the bloodbath most people expected it to be though. *phew*

Also, the flaming arakh's and the shot of the Dothraki charging into the darkness were super cool but it was kind of a weak way for them to go out.
 
Felt like too much stalling for tv time(Arya in the library). If this was longer than the battle at Helm's Deep, we saw much more happening in that 40 minutes. It paid off in the end, but Just before, was losing me a bit.

Maybe it's my tv(2 years old), but I was watching on Fox HD and everything looked like it was filmed for VHS.
 
...And thus the watch has ended for Dolorous Edd.

There's a new legend of an actual "Giantsbane".

Maybe it's my tv(2 years old), but I was watching on Fox HD and everything looked like it was filmed for VHS.

It's quite difficult to record (film) low-light and mostly low-contrast conditions, so transmitting it and play-back typically appear lossy.
 
I watched on HBO with a 46" plasma screen, 7 speakers and Girl Scout cookies. My words can't begin to describe the complexity and detail of that battle, the beauty of the cinematography, and the range of emotions experienced.
 
On Season 8 Ep 3... since we point this stuff in spoiler tags, even though this thread contains spoilers and really no GoT fan should be in here today if they haven't seen it.

I was ready for so many more characters to die. My wife and I were laying out what we thought was going to happen in Ep 3 before last night. To give you a feel for where my head was, my prediction was the following deaths: Mormont, Arya, Lord of Light guy, Wildling guy, Jamie, Brienne, Theon, Unsullied guy, and John Snow. I was also ready for Bran to go.

The following characters I had predicted to live: The Hound (because he has to take down the mountain), Sansa. That's really it, those are the two I was relatively sure were safe.

Edit: Oh and Sam, I'm pretty sure Sam makes it.

The following characters I thought were uncertain: Daenerys, Tyrion.

If you told me I had to pick two characters that were absolutely without doubt no question not going to make it, I'd have picked Theon and Jamie. Those two characters I thought had completely run their course and it was a fitting end for them to die in this battle. Why is Jamie hanging around then?

So Ep 3 was a little bit of a let down to me. I don't know why exactly, I just feel like the night king's army was a little too easy. I know, it didn't seem like it was so easy, but the price paid in terms of well-known characters was just not quite high enough to make it feel like a costly battle. Of course there's Cersie still, so maybe the cost really was that high.

Other thoughts, I'd really really really liked to have understood better how they beat the night king. Because the whole plan hinged on a Bran as a decoy to bring him out, but they didn't motivate well enough why the night king wanted bran so badly. I liked that Arya took him out instead of John.

The dragon battle was sweet.

World War Z and the dragons lighting up the ranks was also sweet.

My wife called the bodies waking up in the crypt during Ep 2, so that was kinda ruined for me.

Last thought, Sansa has been looking absolutely ravishing in season 8.

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My prediction for the end is still that John dies, Daenerys takes the iron throne, and Sansa rules the north.
 
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...and one more thing...

how does wildfire not play a role in taking out the night king?
 
Seeing all the complaints around the internet about the darkness shows how bad streaming can still be. An action episode in the dark and snow really highlights the awful compression on streaming and cable even. I bet it'll look amazing on 4k bluray.
 
Wildfire is a secret formula of the Pyromancers Guild of King's Landing.

Yea it's just that it was kinda built up as this great weapon and I thought it would be featured at this point. (more than it has been)
 
Seeing all the complaints around the internet about the darkness shows how bad streaming can still be. An action episode in the dark and snow really highlights the awful compression on streaming and cable even. I bet it'll look amazing on 4k bluray.
We can turn up the brightness/contrast and turn down room lighting, that will help. I have heard that it will be rebroadcast to reduce the darkness effect.
 
Ok, just for fun, I broke down the remaining cast

Characters left alive who (presumably) have no working man parts:
Arya
Bran*
Brienne
Cersei*
Daenerys*
Grey Worm
Missandei
Sansa*
Varys
Yara*

Character still alive who (presumably) have working man parts:
The Hound
Jon Snow*
Jamie
Bron
Davos
Euron*
Samwell
Tormond
Tyrion

I put a star by characters who are leaders or in charge of something important or who seem somehow key to the show going forward
 
Seeing all the complaints around the internet about the darkness shows how bad streaming can still be. An action episode in the dark and snow really highlights the awful compression on streaming and cable even. I bet it'll look amazing on 4k bluray.

It certainly doesn't help watching it on a 8 year old HD tv that wants to pixelate everything with any kind of fast motion to it.
 
Martin seems to love re-using weapons for multiple important events. I wonder what that means for that crossbow.
 
I think many people, myself included, were expecting more death on the main character side. I was ready for the Night King to make his bid for the Iron Throne. Maybe they're saving some of the characters for later deaths.
 
I have an idea that the finale of the Song of Ice and Fire will be more about character development and resolution of conflicts of loyalty and less about mass slaughter and main character deaths. Certainly some will die, but I hope not more than a few. Winter will end and spring arrive with new life. That is my prediction. That and Cleganebowl.
 
I don't know why (because I should have known better), but I was very disappointed in this entire last episode.


The show, for me has been a growing and continued disappointment from about half way through season 3 when the narrative stalled out and became bloated. The culling of all ancillary characters in seasons 5 & 6 meant that going into 7 and now 8 you knew non of the main cast was actually in any real danger. I was hoping this would be the episode to change that.

It starts off well, Jora(?) leading the charge of doomed Dothraki into a wave of zombies is a powerful visual and plot device to get over just how ****ed mankind is. This is than totally ruined by Jora marching back... any real danger the undead had to the cast was just taken away within the opening act of the episode.
The battle is then a repeat of the Battle of the Bastards, where the 'good guys' are shown to be utter destroyed, without a single one dying while they all await the inevitable deus ex machina.

Of the four people who do die, only one had an actual arch, the light-sabre dude.
Theon just ran out of script, the woman in red decided she'd had enough and just wandered off and the bloke from the Nights Watch wasn't important enough to really even be a fully fleshed out character.

Jamie, Brien, Dragon Lady all should have died, they had arch's that had come to a conclusion this season.
Jamie was tried of treason, ended his relationship with his sister and defended a Targarian.
Brien was made a knight, legit the best thing she could have.
Dragon Lady's been succeeded in her claim to the throne by John and her dragons used to help defeat the dead.
Unsullied chap, his whole army was decimated at the start.

If these characters had died it would have shown that yeah **** is real and the undead where a legit threat and their invasion changed the world of GoT. Instead all that happened was a collection of extras where killed and the one major threat that's been building for literally years ended abruptly.
 
George RR Martin has said that zombies, dragons, knights and castles are only furniture in the room, and quoting William Faulkner, "the only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself."
 
This all started of about who was going to be on the throne. It then diverged for a few seasons with the threat of the Night King, but now he's gone, we're back to what the show is about, the Game of Thrones.
 
This all started of about who was going to be on the throne. It then diverged for a few seasons with the threat of the Night King, but now he's gone, we're back to what the show is about, the Game of Thrones.
Perhaps, but the first two/three seasons where this complex well written political medieval drama show. With real characters and real consequences.

Since season 5/6 it’s mutated into some ridiculous end of the world/war show that’s lost all nuance that made it a ‘game’ of thrones. Now it’s just mindless badly written wresting with dragons and extras. Characters have become caricatures and all tension is solved with deus ex machians.
 
This all started of about who was going to be on the throne. It then diverged for a few seasons with the threat of the Night King, but now he's gone, we're back to what the show is about, the Game of Thrones.

Actually...the first chapter of the first book (as well as the first few minutes of S1-E1) in the Song of Fire and Ice deals with the wights and those from the Night's Watch who ranged beyond the wall, so...yeah, what about Gendry and is he cool with all this?

(Also, the thinly-veiled ideas that it's about Global Warming.)
 

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