"good private races to everybody!!!"

[G.T.Ace]

While PD is just lying to us!!! Mr. Kazunory say they can release GT5 tomorrow,but what about all the updates for the prologue they promised us???What about a release of an update with 1 or 2 tracks and few cars??? I mean,if they (PD) can why they don't???

Jesus Christ, stop the whining, its just a game, dont act like a little child.
You do realize that you dont "hurt" PD with that stuff here but other players who are also waiting for the full GT5? This is ridiculous!

 

[clacksman]

I apolagise to you, clacksman, and anyone else who thought I was aiming at clacksman and that Tuscan event.

Not necessary in the slightest from my view, Dragonistic.

Good few posts by you in this thread. 👍

 

[Duke]

MA VAI A PELARE LE PATATE

- ho detto "alcuni membri del TeamGT".... io mi rifiuto di giocare a questa semidemo di un gabinetto di gioco
-io gioco solo a GTR
-il nostro sistema è molto più corretto della correttezza del 90% degli utenti di sto gioco da bambini piccoli arcade e fatto pure male...solo carino graficamente...ma nel resto, quello che conta, è un cesso!!!!
-nessuno insulta nessuno....ho solo scritto che PD e Sony si devono vergonare sia per il gioco e sia per il PSN...siamo quasi nel 2010 e guarda che online da terzomondo che abbiamo
-ciccio...io sono 9 anni che faccio pista!!!!! quella vera!!! con macchine vere!!! quasi 50.000km di pista....
te lo ripeto...VAI A PELARE LE PATATE

PER QUANTO RIGUARDA IL TAG GTP...contenti voi contenti tutti
ciao bello

PS sarà meglio chein pista ci vai...e poi magari vedrai che magicamente la tua play3 e il tuo merdaprologo5 lo fai volare dalla finestra

Please use English on these forums. It is the official language of GTPlanet and currently none of our staff speak Italian, so we need to be able to read everything that is posted publicly. Thank you.

 

[Blitz187]

This thread is heated with discussion... I personally agree with Dragonistics views... Its very cool that TeamGT has found this method, but I think releasing the guide publicly might have been a mistake... I do not agree with kicking people off the connection just for you own interest. Like has been said, it is unfair to those who use the matching system normally and then get booted for nothing just because a group wants to have a private race... I mean if you have enough people just press start all at the same time and theres a BIG chance you'll end up in the same race with a full grid.. Ive had that more then enough times following racing schedules here at GTP... This blatantly kicked people off is going to get nasty when more people get their hands on that tutorial... Again, hats off to TeamGT for finding this out but I think it shouldve been kept under wraps and only given out on request or not at all... This is only the beginning and time will tell if this really becomes a problem when more start doing it.

 

[Berlusca76]

Jesus Christ, stop the whining, its just a game, dont act like a little child.
You do realize that you dont "hurt" PD with that stuff here but other players who are also waiting for the full GT5? This is ridiculous!

You are not all GT players,stop with this childish off topic 👎

 

[Gymnastico]

The solution is one:

An update for online mode

 

[Dragonistic]

You are not all GT players,stop with this childish off topic 👎

Oh was this (below) on topic then?

While PD is just lying to us!!! Mr. Kazunory say they can release GT5 tomorrow,but what about all the updates for the prologue they promised us???What about a release of an update with 1 or 2 tracks and few cars??? I mean,if they (PD) can why they don't???👎

Claims of lies and deceit from PD is obviously very on topic with a discussion about whether or not this method of private rooms should or should not be supported.

To many long running members are having to keep saying time and time again keep to the topic in hand. Now yet another post is wasted telling you just how hypocritical your last post was.

Now can we please get some constructive comments (and yes I am fully aware you could now label me a hypocrit as well for this post being off topic, but let's not go down that road please as I will ignore any posts of that nature in the name of keeping to the topic in hand).

This entire topic has sparked my highest activity on GTP in a long time in the name of trying to prove that this private room method could end up in alot of trouble for everyone involved should this escalate.

The solution is one:

An update for online mode

Thank you Sir State-the-obvious. We'll all get going on that right away... oh wait...

The amount of times people have asked for various updates is unreal, the requests for real private rooms are endless. If PD are going to do it, they'd already have done it for Prologue by now, or already are working on it. Do you really think that post is suddenly going to spark PD to put real private lobbies into the Prologue and remove there attention from the full GT5? Honestly I sort of hope so, but fact is it is highly unlikely and that post is just not needed.

 

[Vaxen]

If use of this technique for hijacking public races proliferates, then Sony will be forced to take action. Banning PSN accounts of people who host games where players end up dropping off most likely won't work, as it's difficult to tell if it was caused by aggressive firewall settings of the host, or the hosts ISP throttling traffic causing them to dump the room, or the clients themselves dropping off.

Ultimately, the best solution would be for Sony to track host reliability and use that as the primary determining factor when choosing a public host. Currently they (apparently) use some combination of ping time and data rate to make the host determination. This is good, most of the time. But what they really want to do is pick the most reliable host for most members.

This could be accomplished by keeping a database of hosts. When a slate of players joins a new race, select as host the PSN who has the best record of keeping as many players in the race from start to finish (could also track lag in these races). This would end a host of problem (sorry for the pun), including:
- players who dump a room after running off
- players who's ISP throttles traffic, dumping players or the room
- players who intentionally boot unfamiliar users with firewalling techniques
- players who host consistently, but with high lag

If Sony does indeed do this for public rooms, it would improve the overall experience for everyone.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Here is an idea, lets get their PSN names. Report them to Sony, and let Sony sort this out. Bickering about this won't solve anything. At the end of the day, they will still IP block other users. At the end of the day we will still be outraged and we will have nothing to show for it.

Senseless, lets report them. It won't stop them from creating more PSN's name, but it will send the right message.

Chad

 

[Berlusca76]

Fact is it's not kicking out people who have hit your car, it's kicking everyone out before they've had the chance to prove themselves as good clean drivers. There is no good reason for this and if I have to quote my own quote for a fourth time to emphasis that there is no reason allowed for this, I will. (This is what I mean Trievel, Berlusca here doesn't appear to be communicating a valid point in anyway, and has completely ignored the same quote I've made 3 times which states there isn't ANY reason allowed for effecting networks connected to PSN. Instead he's takling about PD lying to us? Could that be any less relevant?).

Just to clarify,with mine internet connection i'll do whatever i want!!! I'm really tired of unfair drivers,really tired to always go on sand at the first corner of Suzuka or Fuji,cause someone hits me!!! I want a better online experience,so this Guide for Private Rooms is amazing!!! And if you are not allowed to enter in my room,just wait one minute for re-connection....Or talk to Sony!!!👎

 

[Hugo Boss]

Here is an idea, lets get their PSN names. Report them to Sony, and let Sony sort this out.

Why don't you report them yourself, if you think that's a good idea? Be sure to report the correct driver then, not the one you can't blame

I don't support this technique either since it violates the PS online agreement, but on the other hand I can see where they're coming from. As long as they don't use the technique every time they race and pick a 'unique' time schedule when they do, I doubt many drivers would suffer from it. I'd rather have a 'failed to connect to host' error after 1 minute of waiting, than a host disconnecting in lap 2 because he ended up in the gravel. Still, I don't see a real need for this, since the unfair drivers are heavily outnumbered these days.

However, reporting other drivers of the community for something that hardly anybody would suffer under, is completely ridiculous imo.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Just to clarify,with mine internet connection i'll do whatever i want!!! I'm really tired of unfair drivers,really tired to always go on sand at the first corner of Suzuka or Fuji,cause someone hits me!!! I want a better online experience,so this Guide for Private Rooms is amazing!!! And if you are not allowed to enter in my room,just wait one minute for re-connection....Or talk to Sony!!!👎

The problem is you dont just do something with your connection, you are manipulating the server and interferent other peoples connection.

Very arrogant and VERY egoistic!

 

[Dragonistic]

Just to clarify,with mine internet connection i'll do whatever i want!!! I'm really tired of unfair drivers,really tired to always go on sand at the first corner of Suzuka or Fuji,cause someone hits me!!! I want a better online experience,so this Guide for Private Rooms is amazing!!! And if you are not allowed to enter in my room,just wait one minute for re-connection....Or talk to Sony!!!👎

Exactly as said above, you're not just affecting yourself, which is why it's a breach of the PSN User Agreement which you agreed to. We all want a better online experience for us all, so maybe you should be less of a selfish child and think about how your actions will affect everyone else trying to get a better experience. Kicking everyone out that you don't know, is NOT improving the experience.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Why don't you report them yourself, if you think that's a good idea? Be sure to report the correct driver then, not the one you can't blame

I don't support this technique either since it violates the PS online agreement, but on the other hand I can see where they're coming from. As long as they don't use the technique every time they race and pick a 'unique' time schedule when they do, I doubt many drivers would suffer from it. I'd rather have a 'failed to connect to host' error after 1 minute of waiting, than a host disconnecting in lap 2 because he ended up in the gravel. Still, I don't see a real need for this, since the unfair drivers are heavily outnumbered these days.

However, reporting other drivers of the community for something that hardly anybody would suffer under, is completely ridiculous imo.

I know what you talking. Even telling Sony probably won't do any good. I understand where they are coming from too, but its just wrong to blindly block all IP's except for your friends. I might agree with this system, if they were able to get the punters IP, then block them for the next time. That I would agree with. We can talk about moral and ethical view points all day, but the bottom line is everyone should have the same opportunity to race online. Regardless of their understanding of racing and etiquette on track.

Since this is such a hot button topic I was throwing that idea out there. I would report them, if I had some help getting all the correct names. Anyone?

Hugo, in which part of the PS agreement does reporting their activity violate the agreement? I was under the impression that any malicious activity was to be reported. Maybe I should reread the agreement.

One more point, the one guy pointed out that if he is hosting, and he is using his connection to host the game, then the person who hosts has the right to block anyone they don't want from the game. Maybe, it isn't wrong?

 

[IsmokeGT]

I think mr. Hugo has a valid point... if they do it on :00 and :30 then it would be a travisty to the world, lol. but if they go on odd times its not a big deal really. Most race times all of us use are listed here on the planet, hopefully they are nice enough to see those times and match on different times.

 

[Berlusca76]

I think mr. Hugo has a valid point... if they do it on :00 and :30 then it would be a travisty to the world, lol. but if they go on odd times its not a big deal really. Most race times all of us use are listed here on the planet, hopefully they are nice enough to see those times and match on different times.

YES,so no one will be upset.....But actually TeamGT is not using private rooms...In Italy is very hard to find a fast connection to be the host.....They have shared this guide with the rest of the World just for racing passion....👍

 

[G.T.Ace]

I think mr. Hugo has a valid point... if they do it on :00 and :30 then it would be a travisty to the world, lol. but if they go on odd times its not a big deal really. Most race times all of us use are listed here on the planet, hopefully they are nice enough to see those times and match on different times.

You seem to forget the hundreds and thousands of people who play the game without browsing internet forums like we do, most of them dont try to join at a certain time, so the "odd" times could be even worse, especially when other "clans" beside Team GT start doing this.

 

[TrievelA7X]

Why don't you report them yourself, if you think that's a good idea? Be sure to report the correct driver then, not the one you can't blame .

They have their psn names posted on their website, I've already taken them down, so there is no question of the 10+ drivers listed. And Sony could ban their PS3 master account, at which point they would need to buy another PS3. Whether Sony will or not, only time will tell.

I don't support this technique either since it violates the PS online agreement, but on the other hand I can see where they're coming from. As long as they don't use the technique every time they race and pick a 'unique' time schedule when they do, I doubt many drivers would suffer from it. I'd rather have a 'failed to connect to host' error after 1 minute of waiting, than a host disconnecting in lap 2 because he ended up in the gravel. Still, I don't see a real need for this, since the unfair drivers are heavily outnumbered these days.

However, reporting other drivers of the community for something that hardly anybody would suffer under, is completely ridiculous imo.

I have to ask, 1 minute? Is that all? I can go downstairs, roll a ciggy, go upstairs, use the restroom, and refill my drink most of the time in the pre-race wait. I must be fast...

This could be accomplished by keeping a database of hosts. When a slate of players joins a new race, select as host the PSN who has the best record of keeping as many players in the race from start to finish (could also track lag in these races). This would end a host of problem (sorry for the pun), including:
- players who dump a room after running off
- players who's ISP throttles traffic, dumping players or the room
- players who intentionally boot unfamiliar users with firewalling techniques
- players who host consistently, but with high lag

If Sony does indeed do this for public rooms, it would improve the overall experience for everyone.

This is the best post in this thread, with great ideas.👍

Since this is such a hot button topic I was throwing that idea out there. I would report them, if I had some help getting all the correct names. Anyone?

Last I saw, they were listed on the TeamGT website.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Thanks. I will place a call to SCEA tomorrow.

 

[nk4e]

Thanks. I will place a call to SCEA tomorrow.

and order GT5.

 

[Boffin]

Having read everything, I can sum up things and take proof off them. If they are wrong, a nice suggestion will do - don't flame me bro

Clacksman - Just to be sure. Those organised Tuscan races were through the same process we use here(eg XX.10) right?
general GTP side -
It's wrong to disconnect unknown users from what is essentially a public race

It goes against the sportsman spirit

Goes against the PSN user agreement

Non GTP_tag members who are clean racers will get booted

People will have to wait again and again to connect if more people do it and it spreads.

TeamGT side -
It's using their internet, so they can do what they want

PD lied to them (oh - so that's a reason is it? Boy times have changed. When I were young......)

There are GTP_tag user names that are apparently not connected to, or drive with a driving style contradicting GTPs OLR rules

GT5P is not a proper simulator (see above comment)

pretty much everything else that avoids reason

I'm not being biased (although it clearly looks as if I am )


TeamGT - I haven't seen you do it, so I'm going to be polite. If there are cases where you purposefully disconnect unknown user ID's, it's pretty poor form if you ask me. Try if you will, to look at it from the other racer's side. I'd say 70%-80% don't give a monkey's if they get 5K more prize money and would much rather have a good race than being that little bit closer to the next car on the wish list. What you are essentially doing is stopping them from racing - because you have an event on.

In your local community, do you not have to get clearance from the community and local council before you start hosting street parties which close roads? What if you had an inpromtu urge to play football in the park? Do you have the right to order everyone else to stop having their picnics and go away just for you?

I suggest that you do away with this - and do what we do. Make a chatroom and if there are unknown people, send a message (it appears on screen) that tells every one to get out of the way and get back on the track to start 20secs after everyone else.

Oh, and Dragonistic, I know you have no intention of booting people, but it's likely to happen if you quit the race to answer the phone.👍 May I suggest parking off track and pressing start? That way you also get prize money and the chance to get some driving time when you come back (albeit non competative)

EDITED: For reasons below(V)

 

[Dragonistic]

Oh, and Dragonistic, I know you have no intention of booting people, but it's likely to happen if you quit the race to answer the phone.👍 May I suggest parking off track and pressing start? That way you also get prize money and the chance to get some driving time when you come back (albeit non competative)

I already do, I was merely giving an example of a possible situation requiring someone to quit. I always park up and hit start to avoid quitting, even though I'm rarely host.


Also, in your above summing up of the situation, there's no mention of the possible breaches of the PSN User Agreement. I fail to see how you can't regard that as an important point to this argument, not for the purposes of reporting people and having them banned off PSN, but for the purpose of settling whether it is straight up breaking rules and to inform TeamGT (and other people who want to use this system) to be aware of.

I don't support the entire thing, which is why it was brought to my attention as I just thought there's something not right about this system and indeed there is little way to deny the breachs of the specific terms I quote (with source) from the user agreement. No-one has managed to present a good argument to show that these rules are not breached.


On another point, regarding using the private system on a strange schedule, I very rarely race ons schedule and infact use the PSN chat to start races with friends at any random time so using an odd schedule wouldn't avoid running into people who aren't on forums and sticking to schedules. It's a little selfish to only consider the effects on the GTP and other forums schedules, there are more people out there who don't use any schedule at all.

 

[monogres-GTEYE]

Sorry my English, translated with google

GT5P game or the Japanese version since December 2007, and disconnects from the races that I had perhaps exceeded the races run

Sony has been trying to remedy the situation, with an upgrade, thus preventing the disconnection of the user, but we all know that you can still do without any problems

The situation is scandalous online, many pilots misconduct, finding a long, absurd penalties, poor physical change with the update of 1/08/2008, which is claiming that Sony continue to play in these conditions?

A group of pilots themselves had looked for a solution to be able to run cleanly without problems, to play and have fun
The intention was not to create harm to others, but to make more pleasant the sensation of our game

If we choose to run in private does not mean being selfish; the first error is that Sony uses the server as individual users, without ver dedicated servers, such as happens in other games for example of microsoft

Sony has promised the private rooms, updated around, nothing really just promises, and we are tired of false promises, because it was shown that it takes little to improve the quality of play

I read in this discussion of unfounded accusations, motivated by rivalry, but we want more calm.

Also we organize races and championships with GTP5, click at the same time to enter in the race together, but the race is often interrupted by external host, in this case, whom should we blame? Sony of course.

There are months that we ask Sony to play better, and months that Sony are not about news, this is the real scandal.

In this discussion you want to accuse TeamGT, asking for intervention even exclusion from races online! But you kidding?
That Sony starts to create dedicated servers to games, that does not use the personal server, which does not allow the intrusion of IP sconociuti in our computer.

We met on numerous online competitions pilots GTP correct, in other pilots not correct, but does not want a war against a community that shares our same passion, or GT.

The system established should not be against the rules of the PSN, any more than the same rules are not followed by Sony with this game is not perfect.

Thanks for your attention

 

[Dragonistic]

The system established should not be against the rules of the PSN, any more than the same rules are not followed by Sony with this game is not perfect.

I will say again, from the PSN User Agreement.

You may not cause disruption to any account, system, hardware, software, or network connected to PSN for any reason

Just because the game isn't perfect, does not give you valid reason to control the network, even for a brief amount of time. Whether it should or shouldn't be against the rules the fact is, it IS against the rules.

 

[monogres-GTEYE]

I will say again, from the PSN User Agreement.



Just because the game isn't perfect, does not give you valid reason to control the network, even for a brief amount of time. Whether it should or shouldn't be against the rules the fact is, it IS against the rules.

Dragonistic I appreciated many of your actions, thinking the facts, this I thank you.
I understand what you say, but we ask you to understand the intent of teamgt, which is not to harm but to help improve gaming experience.

The control of the network and my personal network, I control what goes on in my computer, sony should not allow this. If you blame me for being against the rules I blame sony it does the same.

Pefettamente understand what you say, but I ask you to understand that the intent is not to create damage.

 

[Blitz187]

Why is there always the mention of good and bad GTP drivers by members of TeamGT or supporters of them? What does that have to do with this discussion?? Every post I read from them (TeamGT and followers) always mentions this... Why? If you know who they are report them to the admins here via Private Message OR check the GTP Registry... if theyre not there then they dont belong, its that simple... now lets stop talking about good and bad drivers ( I havent seen one GTP forum member state anything about good or bad drivers of any forum in this thread) and talk about this method being acceptable or not....

 

[ASH32]

I totally agree with you Dragonistic, 👍 however you have stated many times now the facts on this and yet they ( members of TeamGT) continue to ignore them or try to justify their actions, this situation is certainly not helped by the language barrier. Maybe it's time you gave up on trying to get them to listen, it's not working, is it. You have tried your best to warn them, if they get banned by Sony, it will be their own fault.

 

[Dragonistic]

The fact is though, yes it improves the experience for those using the system, but it is controlling other peoples networks and making there experience worse. The network I am referring to is the GT5P network itself, this system does take control of that network by blocking IPs and such for a brief period. We use our PSN accounts to connect on GT5P, thus the networks are connected.

I understand the intentions which is why I haven't gone trying to report anyone, but the raw simple fact is rules are being broken. Sony makes the rules, YOU agreed to the rules when you signed up to PSN and now if you use this system YOU are breaking the rules. If you don't like the rules, you shouldn't have accepted the user agreement and you can't blame Sony for your own failure to read through the agreement properly when signing up to PSN.

Stop trying to blame Sony, the game or anyone else. You agreed to follow the rules layed out by Sony, and you are breaking them in this act.

Edit: This is aimed at monogres primarily, other people posted inbetween.

 

[Ardius]

I don't support this technique either since it violates the PS online agreement, but on the other hand I can see where they're coming from. As long as they don't use the technique every time they race and pick a 'unique' time schedule when they do, I doubt many drivers would suffer from it. I'd rather have a 'failed to connect to host' error after 1 minute of waiting, than a host disconnecting in lap 2 because he ended up in the gravel. Still, I don't see a real need for this, since the unfair drivers are heavily outnumbered these days.

The problem I have with this system is not the problems it causes now, but the problems it will cause if its encouraged for everyone to do it, which is clearly what is being done.
Obviously its a minority at the moment, but if its encouraged the online mode for Prologue could be completely ruined. Then we would have to wait a year for GT5 without being able to play online because of this "great idea" and people mis-using it.

Even if we told people to do it at "unique times", define unique times for a worldwide game.....odd times for Europe are good times for Australia or the US.

 

[monogres-GTEYE]

Why is there always the mention of good and bad GTP drivers by members of TeamGT or supporters of them? What does that have to do with this discussion?? Every post I read from them (TeamGT and followers) always mentions this... Why? If you know who they are report them to the admins here via Private Message OR check the GTP Registry... if theyre not there then they dont belong, its that simple... now lets stop talking about good and bad drivers ( I havent seen one GTP forum member state anything about good or bad drivers of any forum in this thread) and talk about this method being acceptable or not....

Ok, you are right, the discussion is another