Gran Turismo 5 Offers Hard Drive Install, Big Space Required!!!

[Seismica]

Sorry but that is utter tripe. In all my years of owning PCs & gaming consoles i've never had a HDD fail on me but i've certainly had many lasers that have failed on me. As for faster loading times and I have to say what on earth are you on about. The whole point of installing 360 games on the HDD is to improve loading times. Now considering DVD is faster than Blu ray drives im really puzzled at your statement.

Maybe I was wrong, maybe lasers are very likely to break, just i've never come across one before, But I have come across many breaking harddrives (Easily fixable, often don't require replacing).

But the faster loading part, you appear to have not understood what I meant.

A HDD will read data much faster than a DVD or Blu-ray. Yes, a DVD reads marginally faster than a Blu-ray, but that is irrelevant. Let's just stick to the Blu-ray.

Blu-ray read speed: 4.5MB/s or 36Mb/s
HDD read speed: 62.5MB/s or 500Mb/s (This isn't a specific figure, it's just the sort of figure you'd expect for a low end 5400rpm HDD)

So we know that data on the HDD can be read faster than from the disc. So yes, you are right, games are installed onto the HDD to increase loading speeds (Not the difference between loading speeds and loading times, they're inversely proportional). But the Playstation 3 has the capability to read both at the same time (As does a PC, Xbox 360, etc.).

So it makes sense, if you load from both the HDD and the Blu-ray at the same time, it will improve loading times over just loading from the HDD alone. 66.5MB/s > 62.5MB/s. (The data bandwidth can easily cope with both)

So this means not all the data has to be on the HDD in order to maximise loading times. I'm baffled as to how, a partial install is faster (With a larger proportion on the disc than on the HDD). Because in my eyes, there would have to be a ratio that is defined by the difference in read speeds. Something like a ration of 10-1, with the larger portion on the HDD. But, then how do you decide what data to install? Some data is rarely used and some is used all of the time. Infact, you can work it out to optimise the data storage, to maximise the loading times and minimise the used storage space by arranging the data in the right way, so that the HDD actually holds a smaller proportion. Like I said, i'm baffled, but this appears to be what PD have done, if they are not offering a full install. Of course they would work at maximising loading speeds.

Then again, I could be wrong, PD might just be doing it to make the game more accessible to people with smaller HDDs. But I doubt that is the case.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I don't know enough about the technical aspects, but I know I probably will do whatever the biggest install is, simply because I have the space. And oddly enough, I've never had any laser-based drive crap out on me, from my family's first CD burner (I remember when those cost hundreds of dollars!), through all my subsequent PC's and every generation of PlayStation. My PS2 has probably taken the most abuse, running overtime when I was in university since my roommate used it as well, and was left on for probably 2 weeks total when I did a recent playthrough of GT2 and didn't have space on my PS1 memory card. Sony's products have always been good to me; meanwhile I've had HD's crap out in my PC's 3 times in the past 6 years. I haven't heard of the stock hard drives giving people issues here though, so I'm assuming this PlayStation will be just as good to me.

 

[opelgt1969]

I did something this morning I downloaded about 8 movies (total mins about 34) from GTTV just to see how much my GT game data would go up. I checked the game data and it was at 8.126 GB before after it was at 10 GB, Not trying to brag about the size of my HDD here I'll not even give the size. Of course I can delete these movies at any time and download them again I did notice while checking that downloading ghost replays from GT5P that they were only about 80-100 KB the replays I've saved were about 100-200 KB. Now before this gets too wild I know that I can put replays and such onto an external HDD but some can't so if you plan on saving replays you might want to think about a bigger HDD for your PS3.

Now a question for people that are "high tech" I defragment my computer quite often The question here is does anyone know how the PS3 handle's data on the HDD I do know that when I downloaded PLAYSTATION HOME that it said something about needing xxx amount of HDD space now did it take a "block" of HDD space and keep it to add more info for HOME.
When you delete stuff like demo's, picture's, music does it leave "open" space on the HDD and if so when installing more data does it fill in the empty spaces leaving your data all over the HDD causing the data to run slower like a PC will do?

 

[Mr Frappy]

Now a question for people that are "high tech" I defragment my computer quite often The question here is does anyone know how the PS3 handle's data on the HDD I do know that when I downloaded PLAYSTATION HOME that it said something about needing xxx amount of HDD space now did it take a "block" of HDD space and keep it to add more info for HOME.
When you delete stuff like demo's, picture's, music does it leave "open" space on the HDD and if so when installing more data does it fill in the empty spaces leaving your data all over the HDD causing the data to run slower like a PC will do?

PS3 does not have the same (crappy) file system as used under Windows. There is no defrag option because it does not need it.

 

[opelgt1969]

PS3 does not have the same (crappy) file system as used under Windows. There is no defrag option because it does not need it.

Thanks for the reply. Thats what I was thinking because on the XMB under Format utility it stats "all data will be lost".

 

[drivatar]

PS3 does not have the same (crappy) file system as used under Windows. There is no defrag option because it does not need it.

Every file system will fragment badly if you fill it up. It's unavoidable.
To prevent fragmentation you should leave 10-20% space free.

 

[Mr Frappy]

Every file system will fragment badly if you fill it up. It's unavoidable.
To prevent fragmentation you should leave 10-20% space free.

In everyday use, for the vast majority of people, fragmentation on their PS3 HDD is not going to pose any problem.

Of course all file systems fragment to some degree or other. However, not all file systems are equal, and certainly not as inefficient as a Windows PC. There is a reason why Linux for example does not usually install with any defrag tool available, and that is because it uses a much more efficient file system.

 

[Havok_]

10Gb's is not really an issue for me. I only have an 80G and have plenty of space for GT5. Gt5: Prologue is easily the biggest file i have on my ps3, so a quick delete should give up even more space.

 

[digitalwolf]

ah i just realized, now i might not have room for final fantasy xiv...

you know thats gonna have a large install...

 

[MidianGTX]

I did something this morning I downloaded about 8 movies (total mins about 34) from GTTV just to see how much my GT game data would go up. I checked the game data and it was at 8.126 GB before after it was at 10 GB, Not trying to brag about the size of my HDD here I'll not even give the size. Of course I can delete these movies at any time and download them again I did notice while checking that downloading ghost replays from GT5P that they were only about 80-100 KB the replays I've saved were about 100-200 KB. Now before this gets too wild I know that I can put replays and such onto an external HDD but some can't so if you plan on saving replays you might want to think about a bigger HDD for your PS3.

You downloaded a bunch of movies just to try and work out how much space 10GB is?

Anyway, if replays are 100-200KB, then no one will need a new HDD just for the sake of those. 200KB is absolutely nothing, you could fit 209,715 replays on a 40GB HDD.