GT6 Prologue

[Samus]

I think you guys should all calm down. The Prologue is obviously for GT7.

Kaz said a long time ago that GT6 was based on the GT5 operating system and it was just a matter of building new apps. One, of course, being the gps toyota 86 data logging app which they said would be released in 2013.

That GT academy winner saw parts of the game a long time ago. It had so many tracks that his hat fell off. What exactly was he looking at – a yet to be released devkit – or a PS3?

They just shipped the new platform devkit not too long ago.

Of course they are working on a prologue. Gran Turismo 7 Prologue. They have to build a new engine for the new gpu/cpu/hardware for the next generation of Gran Turismo. When they get it working they will release it to as a prologue to hold us over for the (probably really delayed) release of GT7 – which will probably be disappointing to many people just like GT5.

So then we will be able look forward to the much improved release of GT8 on the PS4, just like we are looking forward to the release of a much improved GT6 on the PS3

You seem to be just about the only person left that thinks GT6 will be on PS3. Things change and Kaz also said he didn't know whether GT6 would be PS3 or PS4.

There is simply no window left for a PS3 game, not with next-gen announced in 6 months.

Also they don't need to build a new engine for PS4 no matter what tech is in it, all good game engines are cross platform/architecture and the GT engine will be.

 

[Spagetti69]

There is simply no window left for a PS3 game, not with next-gen announced in 6 months.

Not that I believe GT6 is on PS3 because I don't. That window has passed.

I do believe however that the Xbox is pretty much guaranteed as an Xmas slot.
Not so much the PS4. Of course I have no proof just a feeling.
I get the feeling that Xbox has pretty much wrapped up on exclusive games, where by PS3 will be offering quite a few exclusives next year.

Are Sony going to be second to the arms race next gen? Maybe it's not a bad thing. They certainly clawed back last time after there second coming.
Tretton has said they want the best not the First console.
I think Globally the market share is pretty equal. Many have made up there minds what there getting next without knowing any details.
Might not be a bad idea to see your opponents hand before playing yours.

 

[Niks]

Which is exactly why I wouldn't waste money on it. I don't care about their precious sales before the real game is even out. Cut the crap and just show me the full GT6 and maybe then I'll pay you.

First of all I really don't think another prologue would sell that well after GT5. I don't mean that in terms of what I think of it's quality but merely that it was a fully formed HD PS3 GT game. PS4 isn't going to be as big a jump in terms of tech so any GT game on PS4 isn't going to look THAT much better. Why is a consumer going to spend money on new hardware and a prologue game with much less content when they can just play GT5? They didn't have that with the GT5, that was the first HD GT retail game and a huge step over GT4, visually. A GT6 wouldn't have that benefit. Also remember GT5 was released over a year after the console launched, we're talking about launching a console with a prologue here. It won't wash.

Secondly a full game would sell more. PD will have had more time developing for PS4 than pretty much any other studio, there is no excuse not to have a full game ready to go from the get go. It doesn't have to be a launch title but you can show off the new hardware with a tech demo and release it six months later with a larger install base.

I just can't see people flocking to buy a GT6 on the PS4 the same way they did GT5 on the PS3. Especially as I say if the competition (not just Forza) is ready with full experiences.

I really hope the article above is false and whoever wrote it just came up with a GT prologue game because that's what they expect.

If PD announces GT6 will include 60 cars, 10 tracks, 20 online multiplayer, fixed shadows, improved AI, improved physics. And shows a trailer with all 10 tracks having day/night/weather...

Would you buy it? If it was bundled with the PS4, would you consider buying the console?

As I said before, GT is the closest thing Sony has that can be considered as a "system seller" so I think the Gran Turismo franchise has to be present at the PS4 launch in someway or another. Expecting a full GT game at launch is farfetched IMO. (GT3 was released 1 year after the PS2 was released)

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Expecting a full GT game at launch is farfetched IMO. (GT3 was released 1 year after the PS2 was released)

Why? I don't see why PD gets special treatment in regards to release games; it's not like the PS4/Orbis/Omni's other games will only be glorified demo versions of the full game. It's already been two years since their last game.

Of course, that's overlooking the elephant in the room: PD and hitting deadlines mixes about as well as oil and vinegar. I'd be very impressed if they could get a game out for a system release; they haven't the last two times.

 

[Tornado]

Also they don't need to build a new engine for PS4 no matter what tech is in it, all good game engines are cross platform/architecture and the GT engine will be.

A good game engine for a multiplatform game doesn't need to do the same things as a good game engine for an exclusive game. We have no idea how architecture specific the thing was designed to get the performance that they got out of it. For all we know, they wrote GT5's engine in assembly.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

If PD announces GT6 will include 60 cars, 10 tracks, 20 online multiplayer, fixed shadows, improved AI, improved physics. And shows a trailer with all 10 tracks having day/night/weather...

Would you buy it? If it was bundled with the PS4, would you consider buying the console?

As I said before, GT is the closest thing Sony has that can be considered as a "system seller" so I think the Gran Turismo franchise has to be present at the PS4 launch in someway or another. Expecting a full GT game at launch is farfetched IMO. (GT3 was released 1 year after the PS2 was released)

No.

I'm not paying full price for a game with only a fraction of GT6's content. And again, I won't pay for a game that has features that may or may not be in GT6. Either Sony/PD show me the real game or they won't get squat from me. And I'm not going to let them lure me into buying a PS4 using GT6. I'll get a PS4 once I know GT6 is around the corner.

 

[Spagetti69]

I'll get a PS4 once I know GT6 is around the corner.

Is "Around the corner" equivalent to SOON.
Be careful there.

 

[Tornado]

Maybe he means around the corner, like, "When the discs themselves are being manufactu-"


Oh. Right.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

When I say "around the corner", I really mean I'm not getting a PS4 until release or the day prior.

 

[mcfizzle]

No.

I'm not paying full price for a game with only a fraction of GT6's content. And again, I won't pay for a game that has features that may or may not be in GT6. Either Sony/PD show me the real game or they won't get squat from me. And I'm not going to let them lure me into buying a PS4 using GT6. I'll get a PS4 once I know GT6 is around the corner.

I keep reading full price for prologue. I don't support the idea of Prologue in general but since when did they charge full price for GT5P? It was $40 at release. And I know people love to call it a glorified demo but it's nothing like a demo, more like a showcase.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I keep reading full price for prologue. I don't support the idea of Prologue in general but since when did they charge full price for GT5P? It was $40 at release. And I know people love to call it a glorified demo but it's nothing like a demo, more like a showcase.

I still wouldn't pay that kind of money.

 

[avens]

more than money the problem is time

 

[Niks]

No.

I'm not paying full price for a game with only a fraction of GT6's content. And again, I won't pay for a game that has features that may or may not be in GT6. Either Sony/PD show me the real game or they won't get squat from me. And I'm not going to let them lure me into buying a PS4 using GT6. I'll get a PS4 once I know GT6 is around the corner.

Thats the thing isnt it?
You wouldn't, but lots of people would... hence the term "system seller game".

If what GT6 offers in terms of content and extras is sufficiently different from what GT5 currently offers, I believe people will buy it. Some would not, but I think most would.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I keep reading full price for prologue. I don't support the idea of Prologue in general but since when did they charge full price for GT5P? It was $40 at release. And I know people love to call it a glorified demo but it's nothing like a demo, more like a showcase.

I'd expect the price of game software to increase for the next consoles.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Thats the thing isnt it?
You wouldn't, but lots of people would... hence the term "system seller game".

If what GT6 offers in terms of content and extras is sufficiently different from what GT5 currently offers, I believe people will buy it. Some would not, but I think most would.

I have no doubt it would sell a lot but I personally won't fall for the hype just so Sony can make some extra money.

 

[Samus]

If PD announces GT6 will include 60 cars, 10 tracks, 20 online multiplayer, fixed shadows, improved AI, improved physics. And shows a trailer with all 10 tracks having day/night/weather...

Would you buy it? If it was bundled with the PS4, would you consider buying the console?

As I said before, GT is the closest thing Sony has that can be considered as a "system seller" so I think the Gran Turismo franchise has to be present at the PS4 launch in someway or another. Expecting a full GT game at launch is farfetched IMO. (GT3 was released 1 year after the PS2 was released)

No, GT5 already has 250 odd PS4 quality cars, why should I settle for 60 in the next game? Then they will have had 3 years to do the rest. They don't need a launch game, they just need something to show at E3 and release the game maybe 6 months later. I don't see why 3 and a half years dev time is far fetched.

 

[diegorborges]

I still have a little hope of GT6 on PS3, because of the installed base and because it would be easier to deliver on the current console. It would sell a lot and it would keep the usual PD schedule of 2 games per console... and then GT7P for PS4 in 2014. Plus, the fact that they split the team on 2 parts could mean something... (half of a team delivering these patches and DLC to GT5... hmmm doesn't seem "that" much of work for them in these 2 years... so, 2 teams? PS3 team and PS4 team?)

BUT, absolutely no news about GT6 (and amar winds) makes me believe that it will be a PS4 title.

If they release a PS4 tomorrow, I can't buy it... (consoles & games in south america are damn expensive) and I wouldn't buy it. Early adopters can pay the development costs and live with bugs that curse the newest "gadgets"... I don't want to cope with that.

And waiting, sucks. (can I say this?) All of us had to wait a lot already... in my deepest feelings, checking GTP and the internet every single day for GT news, I'm just mad at waiting. I would buy 3 copies of GT6 if it was a PS3 release on the end of 2013 and the PS3 would have a glorious end of life, with GTAV, GT6 as last gigantic titles.

I still think it should be on PS3. The PS3 doesn't deserve to be left with a title that was good and enjoyable but still not as shocking and polished as older GTs were. (I love you GT5, but I miss some things...) Of course, thats my humble opinion. The PS3 is estabilished, I have one, my friends have it too... millions of people have it. Bring it on. If they release it tomorrow, I can buy it.

And after some stuff of GT5P not happening on GT5, I just think a Prologue it's a bad idea right now. GT5 DLC its weaker than we wanted. We really really want a good GT6, we need it. Quick.

 

[Rushton1996]

GT6 should be for PS3 IMO. But if not, PD should at least launch the Prologue for GT6 eeerm, now on PS3 if they want the extra sales, and have the full GT6 ready for a PS4/Orbis/Omni Launch title.

 

[ZZ-II]

It depends which new things a gt6 prologue would have. With a damn good damage model, i definitely would buy it.

 

[thelvynau]

GT6 should be for PS3 IMO. But if not, PD should at least launch the Prologue for GT6 eeerm, now on PS3 if they want the extra sales, and have the full GT6 ready for a PS4/Orbis/Omni Launch title.

Why have prologue on ps3 then release full on Orbis?

The prologue is used to show off the capabilities for the next game very little point in crossing 2 systems.

 

[Mulan]

Prologue can make sense, just put in all GT5 premiums in it Nurburg, Spa and 2-3 more tracks and we have a good game while waiting for the full product.
If they put in headmovement in it, nice graphics, better physics and some quality online features id buy it.
And if they really want to shine, they will have liveryeditor and nice sounds in it too.
This time they perhaps even will give you a discount on the full game if you own a prologue so more buy it.

 

[FLASH48]

Prologue can make sense, just put in all GT5 premiums in it Nurburg, Spa and 2-3 more tracks and we have a good game while waiting for the full product.
If they put in headmovement in it, nice graphics, better physics and some quality online features id buy it.
And if they really want to shine, they will have liveryeditor and nice sounds in it too.
This time they perhaps even will give you a discount on the full game if you own a prologue so more buy it.

I would go along with this, but maybe a few more tracks! Then in a year get the full on copy of GT6.👍

 

[TokoTurismo]

Prologue can make sense, just put in all GT5 premiums in it Nurburg, Spa and 2-3 more tracks and we have a good game while waiting for the full product.
If they put in headmovement in it, nice graphics, better physics and some quality online features id buy it.
And if they really want to shine, they will have liveryeditor and nice sounds in it too.
This time they perhaps even will give you a discount on the full game if you own a prologue so more buy it.

Just imagine a livery editor in GT6, a demo version of the track creator, and like you said, better physics. Just add a better damage model and other features and BOOM, there you go. I will LOVE to see anyone say NO if GT6 had all that, seriously I would... I can't ever say no and not buy GT6 if all those were added.

EDIT: Also like @FLASH48 said. Add a few good tracks, and I'm sold to be prepared for the full version.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Guess what? Still wouldn't buy it. I don't care how many features they put in GT6. If the real GT6 isn't good, then it won't mean a thing. All I care about is the final product. It's that simple.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Guess what? Still wouldn't buy it. I don't care how many features they put in GT6. If the real GT6 isn't good, then it won't mean a thing. All I care about is the final product. It's that simple.

Guess what? Good for you. If its intersting enough, I bet you'll reconsider...

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Guess what? Good for you. If its intersting enough, I bet you'll reconsider...

Hey, you said you'd love to see someone who wouldn't get GT6 with all of those features. Here I am.

And not gonna happen. Not going to fall for false promises and jump on the hype train this time like I did for GT5.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Hey, you said you'd love to see someone who wouldn't get GT6 with all of those features. Here I am.

And not gonna happen. Not going to fall for false promises and jump on the hype train this time like I did for GT5.

Okay, suit yourself. You're gonna miss all the fun if it did have those features though. Hahaha.

Have a nice day.

 

[Quakebass]

I wouldn't mind a GT6P, but ONLY if it's price is reduced. I don't want to pay full price for half or less of a game. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if it has innovative new features, it isn't the full product. I'll pay full price when that's released.

 

[TokoTurismo]

^ I doubt GT6 will be full price, I mean wasn't GT5 somewhat low priced? I can't quite remember, but its only a preview of how the game will look like yes, but I gotta test out those features if it did had those. If you don't want to pay for GT6 than I highly understand, not trying to start a argument.

We'll just have to wait and see if there is a GT6 or full out GT6, who knows so whatever...

 

[Samus]

Prologue can make sense, just put in all GT5 premiums in it Nurburg, Spa and 2-3 more tracks and we have a good game while waiting for the full product.
If they put in headmovement in it, nice graphics, better physics and some quality online features id buy it.
And if they really want to shine, they will have liveryeditor and nice sounds in it too.
This time they perhaps even will give you a discount on the full game if you own a prologue so more buy it.

But why? Why waste time and resources creating a retail boxed work in progress product when you can just save the time and continue with the full thing?

Like I said nobody else does this in pretty much any industry so I don't know why PD have to be different. It'd be like a band recording an album but half way thought stopping what they're doing, mixing and mastering what they're done so far and releasing a prologue of their album with 4 tracks. Then they go back to work on the rest of it and release the album with 12 tracks including the four already released. But it takes longer because for two weeks they were distracted by having to finalise the first four tracks for release.

It's not like one day they can just go to File > Create Game and instantly make a game out of what they have so far, it takes a lot of time and effort as it has to be a finished product in terms of bugs, you can't leave game breakers in that you might if you just continued on your development schedule.

Besides if you're going to include all of what people have said above what is the point, that's most of the game already done, why not just wait another 6 months and finish it properly?