HaB-Racing (ONLINE only): LM/LMP to 450-600pp roadcars sports tyres - 2015 revisions COMING SOON

Discussion in 'GT6 Tuning' started by Highlandor, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. Highlandor

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    Hi..

    Cool, many thanks :tup:

    :D
     
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  3. Dagger311

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    @Highlandor It was the Zr1 c6 I think. If you sort your dealership from low to high pp, it's in the top right corner of the next to last page.
     
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  4. Highlandor

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    Lamborghini Diablo GT2 '98 - SPORTS medium - 600pp (V2.1)

    * * * on SPORT tyres for use in roadcar lobbys * * *

    Stock: aero

    Engine - exhaust parts
    Weight - stage 3 weight reduction = 1239kgs

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension:

    65 / 65
    13.91 / 22.68
    1 / 2
    3 / 2
    6 / 6
    0.0 / 0.0
    -0.05 / +0.20

    Racing brakes:

    5 / 5

    LSD:

    10
    10
    30

    Gear ratio's are not nice at all, highly recommened:

    Final gear - move all the way to the right
    Top speed - move all way to left
    Final gear - move back to around original ratio
    Move 5th gear nearly all way to right
    Evenly space out 4th, 3rd and 2nd if need be..
     
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  5. perico

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    I just saw on your list the fto. Thanks had not seen it.
     
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  6. Pete05

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    Thanks heaps man. Just did the GT3 championship in it with the first tune. Heaps better than default setup! I'll give the alternate setting a go. It sounds better suited to me & my style of driving. I need to be able to trust the front end more than the rear.

    Thanks again & cheers. Pete
     
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  7. Highlandor

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    RUF 3400s '00 - SPORT hards - 550pp (V2.1)

    Stock: aero

    Engine - max tune
    Stage 3 weight reduction = 1131kgs
    Custom gearbox (stock ratios)

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension:

    130 / 130
    6.07 / 8.02
    2 / 1
    2 / 1
    4 / 4
    0.0 / 0.0
    -0.10 / +0.10

    Racing brakes:

    5 / 5

    LSD:

    10
    9
    20
     
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  8. Highlandor

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  9. Highlandor

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    Amuse GT1 Turbo - SPORTS medium AND soft- 594pp (V2.1)

    Stock: aero, engine

    Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension (SOFT):

    110 / 110
    6.77 / 9.31
    2 / 1
    2 / 2
    7 / 6
    0.5 / 0.5
    -0.15 / +0.30

    Suspension (HARDER):

    110 / 110
    8.66 / 12.48
    3 / 2
    4 / 4
    5 / 4
    0.5 / 0.5
    -0.10 / +0.20

    Racing brakes:

    5 / 5

    LSD:

    7
    11
    13
     
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  10. GTAndy36

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    Did change the G37 roll bars to 3 / 5. That definitely helps! Don't want to overdo it either because even though it wants to understeer, I don't want to mess up the balance.

    I haven't yet had a go in the Civic, I may get on GT6 again on Monday night.

    I have had a go with your aventador though. Fun FUN car, so driveable. :tup:
     
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  11. rickykaka3

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    Since the GT300 cars are so low in pp shouldn't sports hard tyres be good for them? i think with racing hard tyres they will handle too good or i'm wrong?
     
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  12. Highlandor

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    Without meaning to sound harsh or derogatory to any/all those using racing hards on the GT300's - Ricky, I agree with you.....it does feel a little bit too much with them. Some of the GT500's or DTMs almost feel to grippy and planted with racing hards..

    It's not about trying to impress, or being elitist etc etc, it's about 'feel' and these low powered racecars just feel too planted and too 'grippy', sometimes lifeless with the racing hards - the GT300 BRZ being an example.

    We raced the Megane trophy on sports soft, and will probably race the FT86 racecar on sports mediums - it's not about trying to impress, be elitist or show off, it's just that there is still plenty of grip with the lower tyres and the cars just feel better.
     
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  13. RampageRacing

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    Six years of racing off road style buggies at tracks in several mid-western states in the US. Nothing huge or glorious but still I had a lot of fun and wasted a lot of money during those years. I was sponsored and I also got involved in doing some series promotion towards the end of my run. GT6 is a lot safer and much, much cheaper. LOL.

    The reason why I chose Fuji and Tsukuba are because I want to sponsor a series for the GT300 cars later this year when GT6 is better sorted. The tracks would be Fuji-F and Fuji-GT, Motegi, Suzuka, Tsukuba, Mount Panorama and Laguna Seca. I want to allow tuning within PP, weight and HP parameters. I will focus my testing on those tracks for balance purposes and to see if any of the cars are too much of a over or under dog.

    By the way, I misspoke about using your tune on the Gariaya. That was another tuner's set-up. Do you have one for that car?
     
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  14. RampageRacing

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    I do not agree nor do I disagree with your position on this but to me it does seem a bit "wrong" to put Sports tires on pure Race cars. I am not sure the GT300 BRZ is the greatest example here because although it is ridiculously easy to drive it also seems to be slow compared to the others. At least that has been my experience in testing all the models with my sons. Time after time the BRZ was the slowest or one of the slowest cars no matter which of us were driving. Again that was adjusting all the cars to 518PP with a maximum HP limit of 364(room HP) and minimum weight of 1050. All cars ran at their stock minimum weight. The BRZ has the highest HP at 361. Fastest to slowest the cars were all within slightly over 1 sec of each other on average with three different drivers testing.
     
  15. Highlandor

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    Cool, yeh, I bet that was alot of (sideways!) fun :D

    Ah, OK, no probemo, if they are the tracks for the series then that would make sense - good luck with the series :tup:

    I did try the Gariaya, but didn't get on with it too well. No worries about the mention about the other tuner, I might have another go at it now we have the new physics.

    Bit snowed under with our historic series at the mo, some of these cars are a wee bit loose :nervous:, I'll try and have another go at it but have already lost track of the requests / things to do from this thread :eek: !!!

    Yep, I agree with you it seems strange to put sports tyres on racecars, a bit like vica versa (racing tyres on roadcars - one of my pet hates!!!), but since the major physics change on GT5, GT has become almost a bit too 'grippy'.

    When we started our 530pp roadcar series on GT5, some of those cars were a bit of an effort the get 'sorted' i.e. balanced and grip from driving wheels. But now, we run 550pp on sports hard and some of them still feel a bit too grippy.

    The level of grip / traction seems to have increased alot since the start of GT5, almost like what were 'softs' (tyre compound) are now hards, or at least mediums..

    By going down 1 or 2 'tyres', it artificially recreates the 'feel' of what GT5 was first like - if that makes sense??
     
  16. RampageRacing

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    Yep, makes sense. I find the Race hards to be too grippy offline and have used sports hards on race cars for some career races. Online, I find the tires to be less grippy and prefer the race hard tires so I can "place" the car on the track, take alternate lines for passing and avoid contact during braking and cornering in close proximity to other racers. I find the sports tires to be too skaty in online racing. They may feel great to someone with a lot of GT experience but I played GT sparingly before GT6 and when I compare it to what I remember from racing they just feel disconnected from the track to me. Bear in mine that my racing experience was on rubbered in dirt tracks with rolling jumps. Sometimes those tracks had far more grip than your average asphalt.

    I have also convinced myself that I am a better "driver" than I am a "gamer" perhaps delusionally. My sons are much better "gamers" than I am and that is why they thrash me at GT6. Therefore, I need the crutch of tires that feel more "real" to me. That is my story and I am sticking to it! ;)
     
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  17. rickykaka3

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    True, also i think the megane trophy car and brz car are good on ss or sm tyres (not less). I haven't tried the GT300 cars nor GT500 and the other categories... but in GT5 the silvia c-west and the other cars feel very good with sports tires. Have you considered that in the future (not now ;) we run GT300 cars on sports tyres?
     
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  18. Highlandor

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    Holden Commodore SS '04 - SPORTS medium - 550pp (V2.1)

    Stock: aero

    Engine - max tune BUT stage 2 tuning, supercharger
    Weight reduction stage 3 = 1342kgs
    Fully custom gearbox(stock ratios)

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension:

    120 / 120
    11.27 / 7.61
    4 / 4
    5 / 5
    3 / 3
    0.5 / 0.5
    -0.18 / +0.02

    Racing brakes:

    5 / 5

    LSD:

    8
    12
    7

    ALTERNATIVE:

    Suspension:

    120 / 120
    12.45 / 6.19
    2 / 4
    3 / 6
    4 / 2
    0.5 / 0.5
    -0.20 / +0.02

    LSD:

    8
    12
    7

    NOTE: for both setups, you might want to try slightly higher rear brake to help car turn in under breaking, adjust to your style / needs
     
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  19. Highlandor

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    Aston Martin Vanquish '04 - SPORTS medium - 550pp

    Stock: aero

    Engine - exhaust parts
    Weight reduction stage 3 = 1376kgs
    Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension (SOFT):

    90 / 90
    9.12 / 9.49
    1 / 3
    2 / 3
    6 / 5
    0.7 / 0.3
    -0.15 / +0.02

    Suspension (HARD):

    90 / 90
    17.77 / 11.43
    4 / 4
    6 /4
    3 / 5
    0.4 / 0.6
    -0.15 / +0.02

    Racing brakes:

    5 / 5 (can go lower at front if light on braking/trial braking, or if heavy braking i.e. 100% brake, use level or lower at rear)

    LSD:

    8
    11
    11
     
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  20. Highlandor

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    Mercedes C63 AMG '08 - SPORTS medium - 550pp (V2.1)

    Stock: aero

    Engine - Exhaust parts, ecu
    Weight reduction stage 3 - 1401kgs
    Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension:

    130 / 130
    10.24 / 9.28
    4 / 4
    5 / 5
    3 / 3
    0.5 / 0.5
    -0.18 / +0.02

    Racing brakes:

    5 / 5

    LSD:

    8
    12
    8
     
  21. Highlandor

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    Audi RS 6 Avant '08 - SPORTS medium - 550pp (V2.1)

    Stock: aero

    Engine - sports exhaust
    Weight reduction stage 3 = 1518kgs
    Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension (SOFT):

    145 / 145
    14.20 / 9.07
    3 / 1
    3 / 2
    5 / 7
    0.5 / 0.5
    -0.15 / +0.02

    Suspension (HARD):

    145 / 145
    19.94 / 13.01
    4 / 5
    6 / 5
    3 / 5
    0.6 / 0.4
    -0.15 / +0.02

    Racing brakes:

    4 / 5 (can go lower at front if light on braking/trial braking, or if heavy braking i.e. 100% brake, use level or lower at rear)

    LSD:

    8 / 12
    25 / 11
    10 / 10

    Fr / Rr torque distribution:

    25/75

    NOTE: such a big, heavy car, with long wheelbase - getting the 'braking' right for you will be important, this could mean just adjusting the brakes, or possibly even damper change. With above setup, it's almost on a knife-edge with cold tyres, feels a little bit unstable, but doesn't take long to warm up and settle down, then it turns in fine and feels pretty stable.
     
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  22. Highlandor

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    Audi RS4 '01 (estate) - SPORTS medium - 550pp

    Stock: aero

    Engine - sports exhaust
    Weight reduction stage 3 = 1312kgs
    Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension (SOFT):

    105 / 105
    11.40 / 6.66
    3 / 1
    3 / 2
    5 / 7
    0.6 / 0.4
    -0.15 / +0.02

    Suspension (HARD):

    105 / 105
    16.29 / 10.35
    4 / 5
    6 / 5
    3 / 5
    0.6 / 0.4
    -0.15 / +0.02

    Racing brakes:

    5 / 5 (can go lower at front if light on braking/trial braking, or if heavy braking i.e. 100% brake, use level or lower at rear)

    LSD:

    8 / 12
    25 / 11
    10 / 10

    Fr / Rr torque distribution:

    25 / 75
     
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  23. Whitey093

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    As always thanks for the tunes and help Andy! This week I had a 500pp muscle car race and used your Shelby gt350r '65 tune. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to test it beforehand, I just jumped in at race time. And I did not gel with this one. Couple of quick adjustments between races but never got it to work. I just hung on for dear life and tried to finish. These older cars are just extremely difficult to figure out. We'll get them next week. Will post here when the combo is picked.
     
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  24. Highlandor

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    DOH!

    You should've gone for the '69 Vette...!!! It's a bit more responsive and would probably need less adjustment..

    The 350 probably needs more tweaking (to individual preferences / settings / styles)...plus it's just not as fast as some of the other cars in / of the same class / era...

    Oh well, not to worry, let me know about next race and hopefully we can get you sorted with another Whitey special :D

    :tup:
     
  25. Flash_Noddy

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    Thank you for taking the time to do this.
    Haven't had a chance to try it yet but will leave feedback when I do. Cheers =)
     
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  26. Flash_Noddy

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    A very hard car to tune. Not had much luck with the beast myself. Seems prone to ending up on it's roof lol. Can't wait to give this a go!
     
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  27. Highlandor

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    Hi Flash :tup:

    No worries.. :D seems to be a bit hit and miss i.e. OK for some but understeer for others, if you're finding it understeers too let me know and I can suggest some changes that hopefully might help :idea:

    Cool, this is a beast of a car, but might need a different setup for flatter / smoother tracks, not sure. As with alot of my setups, gone with a softer approach to play it safe and help with traction, rather than creating a tyre smoking sideways monster... :D

    Thanks for your support and trying the setups :bowdown:
     
  28. Highlandor

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    Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track '13 - SPORTS medium - 550pp (V2.1)

    Stock: aero

    Engine - high turbo & tuning parts
    Weight reduction stage 3 = 1261kgs
    Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension:

    110 / 110
    9.17 / 9.77
    3 / 4
    4 / 6
    3 / 4
    0.0 / 0.0
    -0.10 / +0.02

    Racing brakes:

    5 / 5

    LSD:

    8
    12
    8
     
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  29. Highlandor

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    TVR Speed 6 '97 - SPORTS medium - 550pp (V2.1)

    Stock: aero, weight

    Engine -stage 2 tune & other parts
    Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios) - final gear all wy to right, top speed all way to left, return final gear to required top speed

    * * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

    Suspension:

    110 / 110
    9.49 / 8.13
    2 / 4
    3 / 6
    4 / 4 (could also run 3 / 3)
    0.0 / 0.0
    -0.10 / +0.02

    Racing brakes:

    5 / 5

    LSD:

    8
    11 (maybe +1 or +2 if you have heavy right foot)
    8
     
  30. XS

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    What's the pp on this? I need it because a filter I'm setting up on the directory won't accept "0" and won't list the tune if left blank.
     
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