HaB-Racing (ONLINE only): LM/LMP to 450-600pp roadcars sports tyres - 2015 revisions COMING SOON

Highlandor · Dec 13, 2013

* * * Welcome to HaB Racing's online setup's * * *

Creator of the weight distribution setup theory/formula for springs, dampers & rolls bars that still works as good now as it did years ago on GT5.

Approved by such tuners as Praiano "I would like to find a way to make a good base before fine tuning and this seems good" (8/2011).

The same formula used by CORSE to create GTs first effective setup calculator that remains unchanged and as effective now as it did when created in 2011.

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The purpose of this tuning garage is to provide 'base' setups for 0kgs ballast cars online and a service to adapt these base tunes to your own style and needs.

The setups are done using G27 wheel, 900 degres rotation, force feedback 6 & 8.

All setups are ballast free (wth a small handful of cars needing ballast to meet our regulations for certain series i.e. GT40 / Muira @ our 475pp historics class), 100% power limiter and no crazy ride heights (max /min) - suitable to be adapted for PRO and learner styles.

The setups are made with tyre wear in mind, designed to come good the longer the race goes on, and still having grip/balance at the end of a race or when tyres are wearing.

ALL SETUPS are tuned with STOCK wheels and NO body rigidity (option in GT auto)

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We understand that no single tune will suit everyone, in some cases a single tune/setup could even be track specific. Most are likely to need tweaking owing to the large amount of variables that can affect a setup:

Driving style - aggressive / passive
Basic car feel - loose / planted
Tracks (GT6 has bigger diferences in grip levels between tracks than previous GT games)
Steering sensitivity differences (some guys have wheel with 200 or 300 degree rotation, others have 900 degree rotation, or pad users varying from minimum to maximum settings.
Whether tyre wear is an important or maybe even a vital factor, or it's not important at all..

Understanding these differences are a fundamental aspect of tuning for ballast free online racing, what works for one person in one situation has no guarantees of working for another person or persons in the same situation...

For tweaking/trouble-shooting to YOUR needs:

Please advise: is it understeer/oversteer?

Where is this happening:

1) on brakes
2) lifting off brakes / apex
3) exiting corner

What are your:

Pad / wheel & settings
Driving style - "planted" or loose

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IMPORTANT: many of the setups listed here were done at the start of GT6 and need updating.

If you're not sure if this applies to a setup, please post on thread

* * * NOTE - owing to current potential issue with some problematic MR cars, we'll be concentrating mostly on the other drivetrains, as it's possible PD could implement a 'physics' change which'll impact any MR baseline setups * * *

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Current tune/setup INDEX:

Roadcars (modern)

Low PP

Medium PP

Ford Shelby GT500 '13 - SPORTS hard - 558pp

High PP

Roadcars (classic / historic)

Race Cars

GT500 / Super GT

Honda HSV-010 GT Base model '12 - RACING hard 573pp
Denso Sard, Petronas TOMS & Lexus SC430 Base model '08 - RACING hard & softs - 571pp
Nissan YellowHat, Calsonic, Xanavi '08 GTR & Base Model '08 - RACING hard & softs - 577pp
STEALTH Nissan GT-R GT500 - RACING hard - 597pp
Xanavi NISMO Z '06 & Base model '06 - RACING hard & softs- 591pp
YellowHat YMS Supra '05 & Base model '05 - RACING hard & softs - 565pp

GT300

Nissan C-West RAZO Sylvia '01 - RACING hards - 490pp

RE Amemiya RX7 '06 & Base model '06 - RACING hards - 504PP
Subaru BRZ '12 & base model '12 - RACING hards - 518PP
Subaru CUSCO Advan Impreza '03 - RACING hards - 508PP
Subaru CUSCO Advan Impreza '08 & Base model '08 - RACING hards - 507PP

WEDSPORT Celica '03 - RACING hards - 509PP
WEDSPORT IS350 & Base model '08 - RACING hards - 505PP

DTM

Audi Abt TT-R '02 - RACING hards - 564pp
Audi A4 Touring Car '04 - RACING hard - 559p
BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01 - RACING hards - 553pp
Merc CLK Touring Car - RACING hards - 571pp
Vauxhall Astra Super Touring Car '00 - RACING hard - 564pp
Vauxhall Calibra Super Touring Car '94 - RACING hards - 531pp

GT2/GT3

Nissan NISMO GT3, Base Model, Team RJN & Schulze N24 '13 - RACING hards - 617pp
SLS AMG GT3 '11 - RACING hards - 610pp
BMW M3 GT '11, E92 M3 '10 & GT2 Base model '11 - RACING tyres - 611pp
BMW Z4 GT3 '11 - RACING hard - 600pp

Historic / classic

Alfa GUILIA TZ2 carrozzata da ZAGATO '65 - SPORTS mediums - 526PP
Renault R8 Gordini '66 - SPORTS medium - 469pp
Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe '64 - RACING hard - 535pp

LMP / Group C

GT / GT1 / LM

BMW McLaren F1 GTR Racecar '97 - RACING hards - 630pp
Camaro LM race car - RACING hards - 632pp
Corvette C5-R (C5) '00 - RACING hards - 607pp
McLaren F1 GTR Race car base model '95 - Racing hard - 618pp
Mazda RX-7 LM Race Car - RACING hards - 574pp
Mercedes AMG CLK-LM '98 - RACING hards - 630pp
Nissan R390 GT '98 - RACING hards - 657pp
Panoz Esperante GTR-1 Race Car ' 98 - RACING hards - 633pp
Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00 - RACING hards - 608pp

Front wheel drive

Honda Civic Type R (EK) Touring Car '97 - RACING hard - 474pp
Honda CR-Z Touring Car - RACING hards - 487pp
(Honda) Gathers Drider Civic '98 - RACING hards - 465pp
Honda Integra Type R (DC5) Touring Car '04 - RACING hards - 499pp
Honda Integra Type R Touring Car (standard car from GT5) - RACING hards - 502pp
VW Golf IV GTI Touring Car '01 - RACING hards - 484pp
VW Scirocco GT24 (Volkswagen Motorsport) '08 & Base model '08- RACING hard - 477pp

Other

CorVette Z06 (C6) LM '06 race car - RACING hard - 616pp (V2.0)
Ford (au) 2000 Falcon XR8 - RACING hards - 594pp
NSX-R Prototype LM RACE car - RACING hards - (stock 568pp)
Lexus IS-F Touring Car '07 - RACING hards - 596pp
Lister Storm V12 Race Car '99 - RACING hards - 601pp
Mazda RX-7 Touring car (GT5's dlc car) - RACING hard - 569pp
Mercedes AMG 190e 2.5-16 Evolution II '92 (racecar) - RACING hard - 542pp
Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car - RACING hard - 587pp
Nissan FALKEN GT-R '04 - SPORTS soft - 606pp
Nissan GT-R R35 Touring Car - SPORTS soft - 615pp
Renault Megane Trophy Base Model '11 - RACING hard / SPORTS soft- 511pp
SRT Challenger SRT8 Touring Car - RACING hards - 563pp
Subaru Impreza Touring Car - RACING hard - 587pp
TVR Tuscan Speed 6 Touring Car - SPORTS soft - 586pp

Highlandor · Dec 13, 2013

McLaren F1 '94 - SPORTS medium tyres - 608pp (V2.0)

Stock: engine, weight, gearbox

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

90 / 90
8.11 / 10.90
6 / 3
2 / 1
4 / 3
0.5 / 0.5
-0.05 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

15
11
15

Aero:

200 / 455 (rear spoiler from GT auto)

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

Vette Stingray C7 '14 - SPORTS hard & medium - 550pp (V2.1)

Stock: weight, aero

Engine - 541bhp (exhaust parts)
Fully custom gearbox (stock ratio's used - top speed 205)

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

110 / 110
7.76 / 10.39
1 / 2
2 / 3
7 / 6
0.7 / 0.3
-0.10 / +0.05

Suspension (HARD - grip/planted rear):

105 / 105
13.85 / 11.43
5 / 3
7 / 4
2 / 4
0.7 / 0.3
0.15 / +0.10

Suspension (general all round/various use):

105 / 105
11.21 / 12.22
3 / 4
5 / 5
4 / 4
0.3 / 0.7
-0.10 / +0.05

Racing brakes:

4 / 5

LSD:

8
11
8

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

NSX Type R '02 - SPORTS hard - 550pp - (V2.0)

Stock: weight, aero

Engine - 442bhp (various tuning parts)

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

105 / 105
7.86 / 11.56
6 / 3
2 / 1
4 / 3
0.5 / 0.5
-0.05 / +0.10

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

12
10
18

ALTERNATE:

Stock sized wheels - NO AERO

Suspension:

105 / 105
6.60 / 9.50
2 / 1
6 / 3
4 / 2
0.0 / 0.0
-0.10 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
10
30

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

Merc 190e EVO II (road car) - SPORTS hards - 450pp (V2.1)

Stock: weight, aero
2" over sized wheels

Engine - 307bhp (@447pp) - various exhaust parts etc

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (sports HARD):

95 / 95
5.79 / 6.45
1 / 1
3 / 3
3 / 2
0.5 / 0.5
-0.15 / +0.20

Suspension for full weight car - 1340kgs (sports MEDIUM):

95 / 95
6.96 / 6.76
3 / 4
5 / 4
3 / 4
0.5 / 0.5
-0.15 / +0.20

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
10
8

Fantastic car 👍

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

NSX-R Prototype LM RACE car - RACING hards - (stock 568pp) (V1.2)

Stock: engine, gearbox, aero, weight

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

70 / 70
14.96 / 16.52
3 / 2
9 / 6
3 / 1
1.0 / 0.5
-0.05 / +0.20

Racing brakes:

5 / 3 or (raise for more "turn in", lower for less and more stability)

LSD:

8
11
30 (adjust to suit you: lower = more 'lift off' (oversteer), higher = less understeer)

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* * * REVISED * * *

SPORTS SOFT tyres & LOW RPM turbo kit = 579pp / 571bhp / 1120kgs
STOCK AERO

Suspension:

65 / 65
13.00 / 18.22
1 / 2
2 / 2
2 / 2
0.0 / 0.0
-0.15 / +0.20

Racing brakes:

5 / 3 or (raise for more "turn in", lower for less and more stability)

LSD:

10
10
35 (adjust to suit you: lower = more 'lift off' (oversteer), higher = less understeer)

spyrrari · Dec 14, 2013

Thanks so much for this mate!!!!

Spy.

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

spyrrari
Thanks so much for this mate!!!!

Spy.

Ummm, reverse everything and type it in upside down, hopefully that'll slow you down enough to maybe beat you for once

ZovoVanBasten · Dec 14, 2013

Tried a couple of the GT3 setups and they work nicely, much more stable at low speeds. Nice one H!

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

ZovoVanBasten
Tried a couple of the GT3 setups and they work nicely, much more stable at low speeds. Nice one H!

No worries Zov, they'll probably need tweaking to suit you 100% for you to get he best out of them.. Going by what feedback people have been giving in the lobbies, things like brake balance seems to be a personal difference on alot of these cars..

Hopefully, if PD can sort out the R8s we can go ahead with the GT3 championship as planned next season..

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

Merc CLK Touring Car (DTM) - RACING hards - 571pp

Stock: Engine, weight, aero, gearbox

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

65 / 65
12.84 / 11.35
2 / 1
3 / 2
7 / 7
0.4 / 0.6
-0.10 / +0.10 (could use less rear toe if god with throttle control i.e. +0.02)

Suspension (HARD - rear grip/heavy throttle):

65 / 65
18.16 / 13.34
4 / 3
6 / 4
3 / 5
0.4 / 0.6
-0.10 / +0.10

Suspension (HARD):

65 / 65
15.96 / 15.06
3 / 5
5 / 7
5 / 4
0.4 / 0.6
-0.10 / +0.10

Brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style / track)

LSD:

8
11
13 (less/lower = more lift off turn in/oversteer higher = more lift off stability/understeer)

NOTE:

Tested with stock aero, but you'll need to adjust aero for the track being used, reducing difference between FR & RR will help with high speed rotation.

spyrrari · Dec 14, 2013

Highlandor
Ummm, reverse everything and type it in upside down, hopefully that'll slow you down enough to maybe beat you for once

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

Honda HSV-010 GT Base model '12 - RACING hards - 573pp (V1.2)

Stock: engine

Adjust aero / gears to suit track

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

60 / 60
16.61 / 15.46
1 / 2
2 / 6
5 / 3
1.0 / 0.5
-0.05 / +0.10

Brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
11
10

danardif1 · Dec 14, 2013

Your setup for the R18 is excellent... it's a very good baseline for a lot of circuits, had great fun testing it out at Silverstone last night.

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

danardif1
Your setup for the R18 is excellent... it's a very good baseline for a lot of circuits, had great fun testing it out at Silverstone last night.

Thank you, I used it offline for the Super events and it seemed to do the trick. Some people have used it online too, but I haven't tried that yet, so don't know if it works aswell there, but they seemed to be happy..

If you want any help fine tuning it, just let me know what "more" you want, grip/stability//car to move around and I'll try and help...

Appreciate your feedback 👍

danardif1 · Dec 14, 2013

Highlandor
Thank you, I used it offline for the Super events and it seemed to do the trick. Some people have used it online too, but I haven't tried that yet, so don't know if it works aswell there, but they seemed to be happy..

If you want any help fine tuning it, just let me know what "more" you want, grip/stability//car to move around and I'll try and help...

Appreciate your feedback 👍

Thanks. I'm just hot lapping and testing it at the moment, haven't got past iB yet on offline so haven't had a chance to try it in race conditions, nor offline either as I haven't seen many LMP rooms yet.

It was good for Silverstone (where I was doing most of my testing), was looking for just a little more front end, but that's my personal preference. I'm quite heavy on the front tyres because I carry my braking zones well into the corner, so a front that scrubs out slightly creates more wear as I'm overheating them sometimes. If you can imagine going into Brooklands from the Wellington Straight, I'm extending my braking well into the apex there, but that creates a high load on the outside front. I'm looking to reduce that but still get the bite from the tyre.

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

danardif1
It was good for Silverstone (where I was doing most of my testing), was looking for just a little more front end, but that's my personal preference. I'm quite heavy on the front tyres because I carry my braking zones well into the corner, so a front that scrubs out slightly creates more wear as I'm overheating them sometimes. If you can imagine going into Brooklands from the Wellington Straight, I'm extending my braking well into the apex there, but that creates a high load on the outside front. I'm looking to reduce that but still get the bite from the tyre.

Ok, no worries, solving it won't be a problem, only problem is when I can't see what's happening (I'm used to watching my friends and looking at what happens to tyres) it's a bit more long-winded to solve.

Sometimes "indirect" tuning can help, what this is is changing something on the rear to impact the front, or "direct" tuning is how it sounds, changing something at front to make front better. One way of determining this is the level of grip at the rear, if this car / setup combo has alot of grip (to the point of being too much), then this might be causing the front to understeer, meaning the car is "forced" into the corner (and wearing the front tyres), rather than "flowing" into the corner and helping to save the front tyres.

As you say you are over-heating he fronts, it could be the rear being too planted, or the front end (dampers / roll bars) aren't quite right and need adjusting.

Possible solutions:

Lower front dampers (both comp and ext) to 3 / 3
Raising rear brake to help car turn in under braking
Taking off some rear toe to loosen the rear end a bit, maybe try something quite low (like +0.02), aslong as the car is still remains stable at the rear.

danardif1 · Dec 14, 2013

Thanks for the advice, will try it out next chance I get and let you know what happens.

EDIT: I agree that it could be a case of taking something away from the rear to help the front, but I'm reticent about doing that because it's so stable currently... but let's see what happens!

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

Maybe try splitting the dampers and go:

3 / 5
3 / 5

or possibly

2 / 4
1 / 2

Both these should help front end without impacting too much the rear, it's difficult as I haven't driven this offline for a while and been fine tuning online setups past few days, so not 100% sure which way to go... but all the suggestions should work in one way or another, just depends which works the best without loosing what you like about the car.

Regards
"H"

👍

Highlandor · Dec 14, 2013

VW Golf MK V GTi '05 - Sports hard - 450pp

Stock: weight, engine (oil change needed), aero, gearbox

Full weight reduction = 1093kgs
Engine - use mid turbo and tuning parts to get 450pp

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

135 / 135
4.43 / 5.38
1 / 3
2 / 4
6 / 5 (could use 7 / 6 on smooth tracks)
0.4 / 0.6
+0.10 / -0.08

Suspension (MEDIUM):

135 / 135
8.32 / 7.56
3 / 5
5 / 6
3 / 3 (use 4/4 for higher grip tracks/tyres
0.4 / 0.6
+0.10 / -0.08

Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (you will have to adjust brakes to suit your style / track grip level)

LSD:

8
20
18

NOTE:

Mid turbo gives smooth power out of corners, but has sharp drop off, so short shift or adapt your gearing to maximise mid rpm power. Probably want to change from MID turbo if racing at top speed/power track.

For more lift off turn in, raise fr ride height and lower rr same amount, change 3mm at a time i.e. 135/ 132, 138/132.

Recommend running long 1st and 2nd gear to help put power down, with mid turbo it helps to protect front tyres from too much wear.

Highlandor · Dec 15, 2013

Toyota Altezza RS200 '98 - SPORTS hard - 450pp (V2.1)

Stock: weight, aero

Engine - mid turbo + other parts to pp required

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

110 / 107
8.98 / 7.17
1 / 2
3 / 4
4 / 4
0.5 / 0.5
-0.15 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
10
8

Highlandor · Dec 15, 2013

BMW M3 GTR '03 - SPORTS hard - 550pp (V2.1)

Stock: weight, aero, g'box

Engine - 531bhp :eek:

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

80 / 80
5.05 / 7.91
1 / 1
3 / 3
4 / 4
0.5 / 0.5
-0.15 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
10
13

Highlandor · Dec 15, 2013

350Z RS (Gran Turismo garage) - SPORTS hard & medium- 550pp (V2.1)

Stock: gearbox

FULL weight reduction, tune engine to get required PP
Aero - reduce rear aero to minimum

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

100 / 100
9.81 / 10.84
1 / 2
2 / 3
7 / 6
0.7 / 0.3
-0.15 / +0.02

Suspension (HARD):

100 / 100
14.14 / 14.67
4 / 5
5 / 6
3 / 2
0.3 / 0.7
-0.15 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

4 / 5

LSD:

8
12
15 (less/lower = more lift off oversteer/turn in, higher = more lit off understeer)

A real under-rated online weapon for GT5..

Highlandor · Dec 15, 2013

Lexus LFA '10 - SPORTS hard - 550pp (V2.1)

Stock: weight, gearbox, engine, aero

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

95 / 95
7.64 / 12.57
4 / 1
6 / 2
4 / 4
0.5 / 0.5
-0.10 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
10
11

Highlandor · Dec 15, 2013

Ferrari California '08 - SPORTS hard & medium - 550pp - (V2.1)

Stock: weight, aero, gearbox

Engine exhaust parts etc to 550pp

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

95 / 100
6.34 / 10.51
1 / 3
2 / 3
7 / 6
0.7 / 0.3
-0.15 / +0.02

Suspension (HARD - grip/planted rear)

95 / 100
13.20 / 12.00
5 / 3
7 / 4
0.7 / 0.3
-0.15 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5 (can go lower on front)

LSD:

8
11
13 (lower = more lift off turn in/oversteer, higher = more lift off stability/understeer

NOTE:

on tighter circuits, raise rear dampers by +1 for more rotation, but you'll need to adjust brakes and LSD to suit.

Highlandor · Dec 15, 2013

Scooby Impreza Coupe 22B STi Version '98 - Sports hard - 550pp

Stock: LSD, torque distribution, gearbox (but would advise custom 'box + "trick")

Full weight reduction & then tune to required PP

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

115 / 115
8.85 / 5.77
2 / 4
1 / 2
2 / 4
1.0 / 1.0
-0.20 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

4 / 6

Car feels pretty balanced without use of custom diff, so why ad one. Normal 4wd tuning methods unsettles the car, a case of less is more with this.

SGETI · Dec 15, 2013

Appreciate the base tunes. You have been a machine lately turning out all these to try. Have you thought of making an index of all your tunes? This would make finding them easier and quicker. Keep up the good work, thanks again.

Highlandor · Dec 15, 2013

SGETI
Appreciate the base tunes. You have been a machine lately turning out all these to try. Have you thought of making an index of all your tunes? This would make finding them easier and quicker. Keep up the good work, thanks again.

Cool, thanks

Yeh, the calculator makes it pretty easy to get a base tune, and so much of what worked on 1st gen physics on GT5 works now, so it's not too hard..

Cars like the FF/FWDs can pretty much use a general setting for nearly the entire setup, only the springs need to be exact for the car - this may not be "perfect" for every case scenario, but it's so much better than stock, and/or going round in circles trying to work out whats 'new', when not that much actually is..

I'll be making a list/OP link pretty soon, just finalising a possible "general" setting for the different drivetrains - well, seeing if it's possible... Not too far off, we'll see if it can be done..

Highlandor · Dec 15, 2013

Mitsubishi EVO VI GSR T.M. SCP '99 - SPORTS hard - 550pp

Stock: Gearbox (again, would benefit from change to custom), aero..

Full weight reduction, engine tune up to required PP

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

115 / 105
11.03 / 6.75
2 / 4
1 / 4
2 / 5
1.0 / 1.0
+0.10 / -0.02

Racing brakes:

3 / 9

AYC = 110%

NOTE: as with early GT5, PD screwed up the diffs/ayc on the EVOs, but in GT6 they have really gone to town. The AYC is "copied" onto the custom diff initial setting!!

It looks a bit weird, and we thought it'd screw the car, but it didn't...

PD will have to patch this at some point, so we'll have to re-evalute the EVOs setups when that happens..

Highlandor · Dec 15, 2013

TVR Speed 12 '00 - SPORTS medium & soft - 639pp / 935bhp (V2.1)

Stock: weight

Fully custom gearbox
Supercharger

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

80 / 80
9.44 / 6.16
2 / 1
2 / 2
5 / 6
0.5 / 0.5
-0.15 / +0.30

Suspension (MEDIUM):

80 / 80
11.49 / 7.22
4 / 3
4 / 4
3 / 4
0.5 / 0.5
-0.15 / +0.30

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
12
10

NOTES: adjust aero for each track