How many cars?

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Wolfe2x7
I agree with live4speed. The whole reason why having tons of cars is great is because it offers a lot of cars to almost every single person -- not because they can drive a zillion cars, but because they can drive most of their favorites.
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Which is funny; there's 400 cars in my garage, about 300 have actually been driven for more than a quick 2-lapper, and maybe only 75-100 have been driven for over 50 miles. But the ones I want to drive, I find time for, rather than trying to find an extremely subtle difference between a V-spec and a M-spec, or RS from an RZ.

It's nice to have the variety, but unnecessary to have to drive all the variety. I'd like to see PD give us a little more lattitude in the so-called "one-make" races, the ones that aren't limited to a single car that we must drive. In the Elise series, there's a few choices, but things like the Audi A3 series are just there to make up the numbers.

PD could cut out some of the automotive clutter and repetition, pare it down to 450-500 cars, and I'd still be interested in GT5. But honestly, I'm never going to get around to using the 720 cars in GT4, because there's so many that I'd just be wasting my time with.

The trouble with so many cars (if there truly is one), is that it makes tuning almost a thing of the past; you can just easily find another car to get the job done, if another one just isn't up to snuff. I've spent very little time tuning cars' suspensions and maxing out power compared to previous versions of GT, which is sort of a hallmark of the Gran Turismo series.
 
I just hope they don't have a bunch of horse drawn carages and 1930's grocery getters that nobody wants to use. GT4 IMO had a bunch of really stupid cars that I had no intention of ever using. I hope GT5 has more race cars and less street cars, or better mods for street cars.
 
sxy rider 39
I just hope they don't have a bunch of horse drawn carages and 1930's grocery getters that nobody wants to use. GT4 IMO had a bunch of really stupid cars that I had no intention of ever using. I hope GT5 has more race cars and less street cars, or better mods for street cars.
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That right there is exactly the problem that PD face. While you seem to want alot of race cars, other people want more street cars and unique cars to drive. I myself enjoy them both equally. Some cars of course are a little ridiculous (the motor carriages) others can be quite fun. I may be alone here, but I actually like driving the Nike car.:odd:
 
It's not necesarily a street vs race car thing to me. It's just annoying when they brag about having a huge amount of cars for you to use, when they have a ton of the same cars, with slight variations. I just would like to have more race cars, because after I get used to the handling and speed of the game and the better cars, I don't really want to be racing production based cars anymore. But that's why having racing mods again would be so cool. You could make a race car out of a production car.
 
I really think you won't be dissappointed. If they have less cars than gt4 then I believe most gamers will view it as a let-down. And with the Forza series gaining a little popularity, it's very likely that they will pull out all the stops to make sure that they blow Forza 2 out of the water! I think everyone wants some form of the racing mods.
 
sxy rider 39
I just hope they don't have a bunch of horse drawn carages and 1930's grocery getters that nobody wants to use. GT4 IMO had a bunch of really stupid cars that I had no intention of ever using. I hope GT5 has more race cars and less street cars, or better mods for street cars.
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Kazunori Yamauchi wants Gran Turismo to represent the history of the automobile. Considering the fact that the 1886 Benz Patent Motor Wagen and Daimler Motor Carriage (both powered by gasoline engines, by the way) were the two first automobiles ever built, I think they deserve a place in the game. If you couldn't drive them at all, that would be different, but you can drive them, which makes them worth PD's effort.

Also, personally, I would much rather see street cars than race cars. Watching a Best Motoring challenge or an SCCA Showroom Stock race is more exciting for me than many "ordinary" races with fully-prepped racecars.
 
i htink GT5 will come out with less cars. Alot less cars in fact. But this is the 21st century and I'm sure we'll be getting e-mails almost emidiatly to download new cars to your PS3.

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Hopefully, around 1,000. Since I'm going to assume that GT5 will have online racing, That many cars will keep things interesting for years. The thing I love about GT4 is that I still bust it out to work on a different car every now and then. I think GT5 could do away with a good number of Kei cars, but I guess they serve a purpose.

I just think of all the possibilities that GT5 could have with online racing and all the different classes. It would never get old.

Some of those cars on the wish list though... aye. I don't think we will ever see a racing video game involving a '05 Buick LeSabre, or Oldsmobile Bravada...:lol:
 
It's called "something for everyone." There are times I want to use very fast automobiles, then times I want to dial it down and try something less powerful. Don't be like these speed junkies (speed as in high-speed racing, not the drug) in which every other car has to be a rocketship to be enjoyable. This has perhaps been the most debated argument in the GT series. I think slow cars vs. fast cars is more of a big issue in GT than the inclusion of Lamborghini, Porsche, and Ferrari. It's also bigger than damage and reverse light inclusion. People who appreciate the automobile wouldn't scoff at the notion of more "grocery getters" and vintage cars. It probably makes two of us when you begin to talk about who minds seeing these machines in a racing game and who doesn't. I bet most people don't even care that racing isn't about high-speed. Racing is about taking advantage of one car's capabilities on any track regardless of if it's fast or not. You want to appreciate low-speed racing? Do some go-kart racing. The only reason why they aren't fun to many people is because they are too slow. And as Wolfe2x7 mentioned, there is a reason why those two motor carriages were included. Part of GT4's goal was to celebrate the history of the automobile. It wasn't about "leaving Honda Civics where they belong and focus on the wet dreams of a Road and Track editor" (taken from the XBOX360 buyer's guide, commenting on PGR3). And if there are more Keis and fewer sports cars, fine by me, player. I bet that if you don't like "grocery getters," you'd hate Enthusia as well.

Another notion I've hated was some comment about "they wanted to put in more Skylines just to make 700 cars." What a way to disregard what the rest of GT4's lineup is about. I must apologize. Every game need a lineup of cars like Forza has in order to be at least acceptable. PD never got the memo no matter how many people loved b:censored:ing on GT4 all because there aren't enough sports cars. People do want sports cars, but they also want vehicles they may actually be able to AFFORD. Think about those who have worthy daily drivers that they want to see in the game. Racing games with real cars give you the ability to do things you only dream about. That even includes taking ANY car and driving it on the limit or tuning it wildly. PD will likely have their way with all of this. And if they do, then buying and modifying automobiles will be just as fun regardless of how many are in the final build of GT5... even if the final number of cars will be 1,000.

Modifying machines into pure race cars will really give people a chance to build their dream car in GT5. Think about some of the reasons why people love Forza (and will probably love Forza 2 even more). People could basically take a car, paint it up, modify it completely, and do whatever else the hell they want. Maybe even take it online for some online racing so they can get beaten by some 11-year old kid who has an attitude problem the size of Russia. I do think 1,000 cars is possible, though could be treacherous to try to model them all and get their little details in (like the beeping noises in the Mazda RX-7s and RX-8s and such that Enthusia has) to receive more compliments than hate. Modifying the street cars and some tuners will open the flood gates for customization into making them race cars. It would be a dream to be able to race any capable automobile on Mother Earth that PD graciously included. I've probably dreamed of a Suzuki Cappuccino capable of 200hp and 150mph+. Tell you what... that would be one hell of a Kei car! I may even want to build up a Brilliant Blue Nissan S15 Silvia Spec-R Aero into one of my own road racing cars. The more cars, the merrier. We'll still be tuning up and modifying as many as we can to enjoy the full GT experience.

PLEASE have an optomistic mind on the number of cars we may see, even if PD decides to remodel and re-work all of GT4's cars while adding new ones.
 
I think there will be 842 cars, if it follows the GT2 - GT3 route, no one will be very happy.
 
To add to what John was saying, there are solid reasons that Kaz-sama insists on so many dinkmobiles in the game, as I unflatteringly call them. There are a lot of people like John here in America who want to experience as much as possible with as many cars and types of vehicles as possible. There are a BUNCH of people in the Orient, a huge GT market, who enjoy running those little monsters around. I believe I've even seen the Japanese race motorized toilets!

I know the other side lives here in great numbers. Some people want to see pro racecars in Gran Turismo only, but that's not what Gran Turismo is all about. If you like that kind of thing, there are games like GTR and similar titles.

But most of us want access to a bunch of street legal sports cars. And if we mod them up, what the heck? No matter what gets put in the game, you know that someone somewhere wants to race those cars. Kaz isn't stupid. He's not going to put something in the game that no one wants to touch with a 10 foot extension cord. We have to realize that he's not coding the game for John, you or me, but planet Earth. And so far planet Earth thinks he's doing a fantastic job.

I do want to see more of an Sports Car Club feel to the non-pro and what might be considered semi-pro races. To do that, there has to be a good race mod implementation, as well as body kit selection and paint shop. But like a few others have said, not at the expense of content.

Don't take anything away. Just keep adding. I know that's not easy, but then, what about Gran Turismo is easy? ;)

Whatever we get, I'm sure we'll be pretty happy with.
 
I think I'd be fine for them to have as many non-racing cars as they did in Gt4, as long as there are competitive series for you to run them in. The various drivetrain specific races like FF and MR were only in the beginer hall in GT4 and those races were really easy to win. I think there should either be competitive race series for stock cars, or the ability to make a stock car into a race car and be able to compete in higher level races. I think GT2 did a good job of this with race mods, and horsepower limits to make the races more competitive.

And, I think that most everyone would agree that Gt4 having 5 versions of GTRs and 5 Versions of NSXs ect, ect., was nothing more than a waste of disk space so that PD could brag about having a ton of cars in the game. That space could have been used to have a larger number of European and American cars, or more race cars. And I have nothing against Japanese cars, but why do we need two variations of the same model year lancer evo, which have no apreciable difference on the track?
 
sxy rider 39
And, I think that most everyone would agree that Gt4 having 5 versions of GTRs and 5 Versions of NSXs ect, ect., was nothing more than a waste of disk space so that PD could brag about having a ton of cars in the game.
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I disagree. Having variations of a car with different performance, even though you consider them inconsequential, is easier to do than to build and code entirely different cars. Giving me the Honda and Acura NSXs gave me different paint jobs to collect as well as different performance options and upgrades.

If I can't have those other Euro and U.S. cars in the game, having one or 30 different Skylines isn't going to change that. Licenses for those cars will. You Skyline grouchers need to keep this in mind. And that variety is a good thing.
 
Tenacious D
Kaz isn't stupid. He's not going to put something in the game that no one wants to touch with a 10 foot extension cord.
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There's no such thing. There are fanclubs for pretty much every kind of car on the planet, and even if a car doesn't have a fanclub, its owners would still probably like to be able to tool around in their real-world car in Gran Turismo. ;)
 
Beer? I'm sorry. I don't drink. I'll appreciate the comment more or less. I don't really say "pure awesomeness," though.

I'm still sold that we may see no less than 500 and maybe no more than 1,000 cars. The distribution of car types will be dependent on what will be offered. I still have come up with my own combined car list of GT4, Enthusia, and Forza. If GT5 included just about every different car from GT4, Enthusia, and Forza, you're looking at maybe just under 1,000 from the many different car companies and certain cars (including the big name car sports car companies in Forza). So if you want to go off that notion, it would be possible to put in 1,000 cars with the same amount of tender loving care only Polyphony Digital can provide to us racing game fans. I think it's possible to see maybe 750-800 cars in GT5 granted that they can model and program them effectively. The GT2 -> GT3 deal shown that most of the car makes from GT2 made it. Also remember that GT3 was basically a rushed effort in getting it to the PS2. I think even PD claimed it was a rushed deal. I think PD learned from that and made sure their next iterations wouldn't be rushed and substandard.

The distribution of street/concept/tuner/racing in GT5 will be interesting. It's pretty obvious that there will be more street cars than any of them unless you're talking about something like ToCA Race Driver 3 where there are more race cars than street cars. Or even GTR which has absolutely NO street cars. It will be interesting to see what cars could be in GT5. We may see a number of different modern and classic cars. So how many cars will be in and what distribution of the cars do you think we will see in the final build?
 
Yeah, but the goal here is to make as many people happy as possible with cars in the game. How do you satisfy as many people as possible with a varied assortment of cars? You want to include as many kinds of cars as possible for gamers to try to get and race and tune. It's why we make such a big deal on all of this. Question is, how do you impress millions and billions of GT fans with the kinds of sensational cars they want to see? Maybe how do you have as diverse of cars like Enthusia has? Maybe you look to give more sports cars like Forza? Or do you just do things however the bloody hell you want. I think the last one would be PD's way. As long as fans are happy with the game, I'm sure that's all that matters regardless of what cars are in the game.
 
PD could cut out some of the automotive clutter and repetition, pare it down to 450-500 cars, and I'd still be interested in GT5. But honestly, I'm never going to get around to using the 720 cars in GT4, because there's so many that I'd just be wasting my time with.
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My thoughs exactly. and those cars that I'd be wasting my time with are only taking up space that could have been used to include some more Le Mans cars and F1 cars, that I really care about.

And after thinking about it a little longer, I think the waste of time factor comes from the fact that THERE AREN'T ENOUGH COMPETITIVE RACING SERIES! Why am I even gonna buy some of these cars if there isn't a good race series to race them in. Again PD needs to look back at GT2 with lots of competitive race series, for every type of car. Then I'll buy that stupid grocery getting 50 HP car, because you need it to win a series.
 
Err... if you don't like a 50hp car in one or two races, how is it any more appealing if it's in a series with even more races??

I agree that the racing structure in GT2 was better, with racing restrictions, and a race event generator if you want to do something fun and competitive on the fly. But the rest of your post looses me.
 
i hope about 1k-2k of cars but a lot of races to ride them in.that includes truck races,everyman sprints,formula,jgtc,hell even nascar.and cars from many countries like russia for example
 
Well let me ask this for discussion again. It MAY be possible to have 1,000 cars in GT5. Question is, is it a REALISTIC number of cars for one game, much less a GT?
 
JohnBM01
Well let me ask this for discussion again. It MAY be possible to have 1,000 cars in GT5. Question is, is it a REALISTIC number of cars for one game, much less a GT?
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With online updates, it would depend on your harddrive space, and the amount of time PD is willing to take to add more and more cars. There are easily 4000-5000 downloadable cars for Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit/High Stakes, if not more. You just need to know where to find them.
 
I hope PD makes around 1000+ cars, no I am not joking! :) There can't be enough cars, more cars are more choices and flavours and that cant be a bad thing.

But I prefer more race cars, less everyday cars.....or even better: less concept cars and more race cars.; old race cars prefered.
I dont like the concept cars, they are boring, and dispensable.
I just want more racer cars.

But thats just my idea about more cars.
 
Yeah, Wolfe2x7. But let's say I'm NOT an online game (and I'm not). Is 1,000 still possible and realistic without having to go online?
 
JohnBM01
Yeah, Wolfe2x7. But let's say I'm NOT an online game (and I'm not). Is 1,000 still possible and realistic without having to go online?
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You're using the internet to surf GTP, aren't you? As long as you have broadband, you could easily borrow the internet connection from your PC to download additional cars, and then reconnect the internet to your PC and enjoy the extra cars offline.
 

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