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Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 6' started by tazarii, Feb 15, 2014.
YES AGREED. Is it really such a big deal? Just avoid hackers.
Hacking/hybrids will probably be different this time round - downforce does not effect PP in GT6
Teal ... everything you have stated is undeniably correct. Your detractors will deride you, as they always do, but they also know that you are right in what you say, regardless of all the garbage they spew to deny what they know to be true. Save your breath on them and relish in the fact that the vast silent majority is with you.
This is a potential issue for sure but it remains to be seen how it will affect things. Aero affects top speed and acceleration now so just adding aero isn't necessarily going to make you faster. We also don't yet know if adding aero on cars that don't already come with aero is possible to begin with or whether it does affect PP. I'm sure we'll know soon enough though..
I won't leap to any conclusions like I did in GT5 before the testing is done and we can say for certain whether it provides an advantage on the track.
We can do simple test, use S2000 for example, tune it to 450PP without flat floor ( consider flat floor is added aero ), run it at short track like Tsukuba on comfort soft tire to get the best effect when aero added later. Take a note of the lap time without flat floor, now install flat floor, and leave it as is, pretend it's still 450PP ( a hybrid ), run it again, and see if the lap times improve.
I know flat floor is not really accurate as it gives effect even on low speed, while aero values ( downforce ) only works above certain speed ( I think roughly above 60mph/100kmh - medium speed and high speed ) - depend on the value too. But, it should give rough idea of what to expect from cars with added aero.
Apples and oranges. The effect of flat floors isn't the same as aero so this test will give skewed results especially on a track like Tsukuba that's less dependent on top speed for lap times.
Very mature replies - nice man
On a serious note, throwing childish insults around because someone disagrees with you, won't earn you respect. It will how ever do the opposite. Grow up.
The way you hackers try to justify yourselves is almost reprehensible.
You use words like "it seems" PP can't be hacked, or it "seems" only save files can be changed, when in reality you have no idea how deep hackers can go into the code, how much they can change with hex editing if they find out a way. I used a hypothetical in that situation to explain a certain point, and you go and try and twist a "hypothetical" to suit your own argument. The very reason for a hypothetical situation is too not twist it, that is why it is "hypothetical". You concentrate on the task at hand in the question, not look for excuses and other hypotheticals to try and justify it.
You can come up with a million hypotheticals to support your argument, but in the situation I proposed it is hard to believe anybody would think that was fair, and only a hack supporter would say something like "get over it", like it is my job to get over people cheating online and not my job to try and actively stop it?
This is such a submissive view, do you just let people walk all over you in life and let them get away with it without saying anything? Do you get bashed in life in the street then walk away saying to yourself... I'm not going to try and do anything about, it won't change them. Going to the police just will make me look like a 13 year old complaining... really, is this your way to try and stop people complaining about hackers?
I will voice my disgust at it, no matter what you think I should do. You can try and justify your hacking all you want, it falls on deaf ears for pretty much anyone who is on my side of the fence.
My opinion is hackers should try and stop justifying yourselves, just like most minority groups you guys have the biggest voices of them all and will try anything to justify your views while trying to put down anyone who tries to stop you from breaking the rules. Well, welcome to life buddy, because there is a whole army of us on this earth dedicated to keeping the peace and follow certain rules and try not to break them on purpose, we are not going away.
And to say, "guys, they are not here", they are here, some have already admitted in this thread they actively go online with hacked cars, can you not read, or do you have a comprehension problem, because I have certainly seen them "here". I will report them like you mentioned, but I will also voice my opinion on a public forum, the very thing a forum is made for.
There's no need for insults buddy, I gave you a perfectly good, well thought out response. Perhaps you should respond directly to the points I made and explain how you disagree with them by using logic and factual information, rather than calling me stupid and a troll. I'll let the insult slide once, not again.
I repeat, the scenario you presented is already in the game without hacking. Having hacking present in the game will not change the fact that it's already possible to manipulate weight/ballast/engine limiter to your advantage.
You're not mad about us beating you at the Olympics today are you buddy? There's always third place...the guys on the bench are priceless!!!
If a higher speed track is used, flat floor will kill the acceleration and top speed ... maybe pretend the flat floor = too much aero added Maybe use street cars that have no aero stock but can be upgraded with front + rear aero values ... if there's such a car.
We will not, however.
One last time, guys. Please keep the conversation/debate civil or we will just put a stop to it and issue the appropriate warnings. This is not a personal matter but many of you are taking it as such.
True again. I just want to avoid looking at test results that may or may not reflect what is possible with hybriding. If they show that aero doesn't help, the anti-hybriders will just say the tests are bogus. If they show aero does help, the anti-hybriders will just jump up and down as if it's a foregone conclusion that hybriding will give you a hidden advantage. Either way you can't win, so I'd rather just wait for the real thing.
I would like to see PD give the hackers a taste of their own medicine - use the mini ninja patches to handicap these hacked cars. ie. give them moon buggy physics, shrink them down to 1/10 scale, reduce fuel capacity to 1 litre
That would be awesome
Soooooo I shouldn't be allowed to mess with a game I paid $60 for in single player by myself? I understand not wanting hacked cars online, that makes sense, but in the end I paid for this game, at least the single player portion of it.
So.. Because you cannot break the PP system, it cannot be done? Is that your view on this? Maybe you just do not have the correct skills in this field to proper editing of game files under the hood and hex editing to change values, but from experience in many online games over the years, and from competitive play in the FPS genre, I can say, any game can be altered and hacked any way it wants if the person doing it has the proper knowledge.
And PD not having an anti-cheat system installed, if and when someone does find out how to change values under the hood, all hell will break lose.
Sure, you can mess with the game. But if you connect to internet while playing GT6 with hacked save file, PD can mess with your game.
Can't we just lock the thread and take the conversation on a more private level?
Why would I go and buy a terrible console to buy a terrible game just to have engine and drivetrain swaps?
You clearly have no logic.
RWD swapped Honda's ?
S2000 is already RWD
A Viper is RWD why would I make it AWD?
And if a F50 GT is that fugly looking Ford ute well, nuff said...
Your reply has got to be one of the most stupidest things I've ever read on GTP.
My bad double post..
Can you even read?
Hey, at least their team is full of badasses and don't have Crybaby Crosbaby.
In regard to hacking in-game, it will become unavoidable if you choose to play online, it's unfortunate but you simply cannot 'avoid it' so long as you play in public rooms. Playing in private rooms is not a solution either, it will be interesting to see how PD deal with the issue, and I can bet they will. It seems to be one of the very few things they try their utmost to fix as of recent times.
I dont know if i should post it , but you can't drive those hacked cars online in GT(no comment why^^)
i tried with my second psn account.(i never hack online)
And btw don't ask me about how you hack on GT6.
I just want to say: Relax, drink your tee and wait for the new GT6 Track
I already said that the ones that keep the hacks offline aren't the problem. It's the ones that take them online that are the problem.
Slowly, but it's heaps faster if I speak the words out loud. I've been using Tony Abbott's voice for your posts.
Gotcha. I'm against online public lobby hacking as well, but I think private lobbies with hacked cars should be allowed.
Maybe if PD could detect that you have a hacked save file, then only let you online in those lobbies sure.
A simple solution to car modding hack is give the people the power to see other drivers car's specs on online rooms.
I took mine online, and specifically looked for rooms intended to show off or experiment with hybrids. It was a fun time, similar to when the game was first released. It literally was like a rebirth of sorts.
What's needed is a filter, nothing more - a simple database query can determine if a given car is achieved through "vanilla" means or not (although that database might be large because of all the permutations, and there will be a lot of queries to transfer if it's to be held remotely somewhere to prevent abuse).
Visible car specs, as above, implemented optionally again, are probably a good idea in general.
I just can't understand why all you guys are taking this 'destroy all hackers attitude', you do know this is a GAME...
Let people play how they want, yes there is the very small majority who cheat, if you play with people you know who won't cheat.
eg. Setup a racing series on here and reserve spots for each race, you'll find that cheaters will not bother you then.
Don't put drifters and people that just go to cruise lobbies into the same 'cheater' group as the guys who do it to win races.
We do it to make the game more enjoyable by making copies of our own cars, by saying we're cheating would be like saying any real life drift car with an engine swap is 'cheating'.